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[Dariuszp]

Same with Poland. If they change EULA, we must be notified before t hat happens and we must have option to agree/reject it.
Whatever stupidity EA will come up with - it will fail under law in country they provide service.

Loot of stuff in Orign EULA is against european law or law of specific country.

[piethief100]

Furtled wrote...

anzolino wrote...
Where are the british people at all? I thought the Information Commissioner and the Office Of Fair Trading would listen attentively like the Germans?

German privacy laws are considerably stricter than British ones, if Brits on the boards are concerned about the Origin client and the EULA they need to contact the ICO so they can investigate, I know plenty did so during the Real ID/Forum debarcle with Activision the other year, along with the ESRB. I'm not entirely sure this would fall under the OFT's remit but people could try if they want to.

Again, I personally don't think EA will abuse any data they collect, but I do appreciate why people are uncomfortable with the software poking around where it does (I'm not sure why it would need to access the areas it appears to myself) and also with being (effectively) blackmailed into using it if it's required to run ME3.

I appreciate what EA are trying to do with Origin and it's good to have more than one big option out there for digital gaming, but I'm not entirely convinced they're going about it the right way; there's a lot of stick being waved about and not a carrott in sight.

It's not our privacy laws that are in question here strictly (as we don't have one), but instead the Data Protection Act. It's been a long time since I've studied it, so I can't remember the exact section this comes under, but EA cannot pass on our personal information without implicit permission.

I doubt that simply requiring us to accept the terms and conditions satisfies this, as unusual and invasive clauses must be emphasised, and the customer made aware of them. I doubt simply ticking a box constitutes being made aware of a clause.

In the real world though, our legal system can be rather unfair to the individual. I doubt any of us has a spare 100k around to fight this through the High Court and Appeal Court.

[MadLaughter]

28 days with no reply. Glad the most pressing issue to the fans is received with a 'meh' by the community managers. Either they haven't bothered trying to figure it out or they have and the answer isn't good, so they are intentionally keeping it from the fans to try and mislead them all the way up until release.

[billy the squid]

piethief100 wrote...

Furtled wrote...

anzolino wrote...
Where are the british people at all? I thought the Information Commissioner and the Office Of Fair Trading would listen attentively like the Germans?

German privacy laws are considerably stricter than British ones, if Brits on the boards are concerned about the Origin client and the EULA they need to contact the ICO so they can investigate, I know plenty did so during the Real ID/Forum debarcle with Activision the other year, along with the ESRB. I'm not entirely sure this would fall under the OFT's remit but people could try if they want to.

Again, I personally don't think EA will abuse any data they collect, but I do appreciate why people are uncomfortable with the software poking around where it does (I'm not sure why it would need to access the areas it appears to myself) and also with being (effectively) blackmailed into using it if it's required to run ME3.

I appreciate what EA are trying to do with Origin and it's good to have more than one big option out there for digital gaming, but I'm not entirely convinced they're going about it the right way; there's a lot of stick being waved about and not a carrott in sight.

It's not our privacy laws that are in question here strictly (as we don't have one), but instead the Data Protection Act. It's been a long time since I've studied it, so I can't remember the exact section this comes under, but EA cannot pass on our personal information without implicit permission.

I doubt that simply requiring us to accept the terms and conditions satisfies this, as unusual and invasive clauses must be emphasised, and the customer made aware of them. I doubt simply ticking a box constitutes being made aware of a clause.

In the real world though, our legal system can be rather unfair to the individual. I doubt any of us has a spare 100k around to fight this through the High Court and Appeal Court.

The Data Protection Act is failry hefty in terms of size, but EA does need implicit permission and there are other stipulations dictating what data may be gathered and only in certain circumstances. You can also demand the company hand over all details that they have on you which must be complied with within a 30 day period I believe, whether that is a copy of the information or the original information I'm unsure, but I'm too lazy to look it up at the moment.

As to the clicking a box, it does constitute acceptance, but your right in that the extent of the liabilities limited or the greater weight the clause has must have more attention drawn to it. So something like limitation of damages will have to be highlighted to a consumer more than others. I chucked in some of the governing case law about it a few pages ago, so I'm not going to retype it all and clutter up the thread again.

[lastpatriot]

MadLaughter wrote...

28 days with no reply. Glad the most pressing issue to the fans is received with a 'meh' by the community managers. Either they haven't bothered trying to figure it out or they have and the answer isn't good, so they are intentionally keeping it from the fans to try and mislead them all the way up until release.

It's somewhat difficult to not take a more negative attitude towards the lack of response at this point but one must think that after 28 days and no reply, the lack of a reply is a reponse within itself.

Will there be a change so that Origin will not be required?  I will remain open with some sense of hope but to be honest, I don't believe EA will change it at this point.

[Nathander Von Eric]

The question has been lingering on the board for longer than just 28 days. The original thread asking if Origin will be a requirement to play ME3 was closed after it had been going for at least a month or so.

[CenturyCrow]

lastpatriot wrote...
It's somewhat difficult to not take a more negative attitude towards the lack of response at this point but one must think that after 28 days and no reply, the lack of a reply is a reponse within itself.

Will there be a change so that Origin will not be required?  I will remain open with some sense of hope but to be honest, I don't believe EA will change it at this point.

Patience. We don't know why it hasn't been answered or even if it has been answered and it's too easy to speculate. But while we can narrow it down to some probables, it's still speculation.

The game is not complete yet. The BioWare shop is the creative division concerned with making the game, not policy. Even without the story leak they'd be busy at this time. March may be still too soon for those working on the game, but not soon enough for those waiting. I started another play through of ME 1.

We don't know how the recent German decision is going to affect EA's policies on Origin or games or if it will affect the EULA, TOS and Privacy Policy in North America or elsewhere. We just watch the events unfold around BF 3 in Germany and see if it is of benefit to those who don't want Origin. If EA contests the German decision, it could drag this out even longer.

The old saw: Expect the worse, hope for the best and that may vary depending on where you live.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 01 décembre 2011 - 09:10 .

[ironman001]

No answer to this point so i know an answer Origin will be requested to play ME 3, EA and Bioware not even care to say anything that just pathetic. This topic have 113 pages more then 2800 reply an more then 40.000 views and they still don't think that giving answer to as is important.

[mcneil_1]

I wonder if Casey's reply about Origin info coming in a few days (over a month ago) might have been put on the back-burner because of the BF3 Origin problems and what has happened in Germany?

[Trekfanboy]

mcneil_1 wrote...

I wonder if Casey's reply about Origin info coming in a few days (over a month ago) might have been put on the back-burner because of the BF3 Origin problems and what has happened in Germany?

I suspect the answer is painfully simple: The execs at EA really, REALLY want Origin and the Origin Store to be fully integrated into the PC version of ME3. However, even Origin supporters acknowledge there have been MAJOR problems.

EA is going to force Origin and the Origin Store down our throats with the PC version of ME3 but they don't want unnecessary bad press. They figure that if ME3 doesn't come out until March of 2012 that gives them plenty of time to fix problems with Origin before they announce that you either take Origin or you take a hike.

It's sad. I also found this online today when searching for news about Origin Store Support problems:

http://i.imgur.com/GGzc2.jpg


At least that customer support rep didn't INSULT the customer like a rep did with me earlier this year.

Modifié par Trekfanboy, 02 décembre 2011 - 04:39 .

[CenturyCrow]

Trekfanboy wrote...
I suspect the answer is painfully simple: The execs at EA really, REALLY want Origin and the Origin Store to be fully integrated into the PC version of ME3.

Agreed. I also think EA tried to do too much too fast with all this.

It may not only be Origin for the PC. I read something a few days ago that suggested the XBox has it already or will get it.  If that's true, it's only a matter of time before Playstation and other platforms get a version of it. Will look for a link and edit it in, if I can find it.

Edit add-on - not the one I was looking for, but here's one about Origin on the Wii;
wiiugo.com/exclusive-ea-origin-to-be-a-key-element-of-nintendos-online-strategy/

With multiplayer added to ME3, rumoured for DA3, the story driven RPG is being replaced with more multiplayer. For me, ME3 is the end of the line. The EULAs are turning into novels only a lawyer would appreciate.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:58 .

[Bcuz]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Trekfanboy wrote...
I suspect the answer is painfully simple: The execs at EA really, REALLY want Origin and the Origin Store to be fully integrated into the PC version of ME3.

Agreed. I also think EA tried to do too much too fast with all this.

It may not only be Origin for the PC. I read something a few days ago that suggested the XBox has it already or will get it.  If that's true, it's only a matter of time before Playstation and other platforms get a version of it. Will look for a link and edit it in, if I can find it.

With multiplayer added to ME3, rumoured for DA3, the story driven RPG is being replaced with more multiplayer. For me, ME3 is the end of the line. The EULAs are turning into novels only a lawyer would appreciate.

So you're saying that the Xbox and PS3 are getting the game, not just the PC?
Amazing revelation chap.

[CenturyCrow]

Bcuz wrote...

Trekfanboy wrote...
The execs at EA really, REALLY want Origin and the Origin Store to be fully integrated into the PC version of ME3.

So you're saying that the Xbox and PS3 are getting the game, not just the PC?
Amazing revelation chap.

PLEASE re-read the post I was answering - I agreed with him and expounded. EA would like to have Origin and the Origin store on every platform they can.  And I recalled seeing a recent article mentioning Origin for the XBox; it may have meant the Origin Store accessed through the XBox but my initial impression was it would be similar to the Origin software installed on the PC. Is that clearer for you?

[Killjoy Cutter]

NO, he's saying that it's possible that the Xbox and PS3 versions of ME3 might include a version of the Origin spyware/DRM/download manager/digital toaster/spyware.

EDIT:  scooped by the primary source...

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 02 décembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[lucidfox]

Trekfanboy wrote...

It's sad. I also found this online today when searching for news about Origin Store Support problems:

http://i.imgur.com/GGzc2.jpg

At least that customer support rep didn't INSULT the customer like a rep did with me earlier this year.

The link doesn't work. Asks for a Microsoft Outlook Web Access password. (Microsoft? Seriously?)

Just remove the redirect and replace it with a direct link.

[charmingcharlie]

The way I see it Bioware are treating Origin info in a similar way to the multiplayer reveal.  They are trying to avoid telling us for as long as they possibly can in the hope we will just become apathetic and accept whatever they dish up.  Not to mention their silence and refusal to tell us anything definite is exactly what they did when asked about multiplayer.  So I think it is pretty safe assumption that Origin is going to be required for Mass Effect 3 come what may.

At any rate I don't think we will have much longer to wait, the rumour is that the Demo will be out in January.  I think it is safe to say that the Demo will give us an idea of how much Mass Effect 3 has been infested with Origin.   At which point I will cancel my pre-order and EA will have a nice seat next to Ubisoft and Rockstar, 2 companies that  never see my custom.

[Nightdragon8]

you know what gets me, NONE of this will stop people from geting a free copy of this, all code is hackable no expections

so in reality they are doing nothing but inconiving people with it.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

So how about getting back to us already, Chris?

[manonyuf]

I bought ME1, pre-ordered the CE for ME2, and I *was* going to do the same with ME3. However, if (when is more appropriate) they announce, that Origin is required for the PC version, I personally won't buy the game at all. I already refuse to play anything that has EA involved in any way, ME was the only exception.

I'm really sad that it has come to this. I love the ME series, I do want to support the devs, but making this program mandatory crosses a line with me.

[Killjoy Cutter]

When cancelling a pre-order for ME3, please make sure that you indicate that Origin is the reason you are doing so, whether it's to the salesperson, or on any feedback forms.

[Dilandau3000]

I'm choosing to interpret the lack of response as "BioWare is still negotiating with EA to try to get rid of the Origin client".

Honestly, going on a tirade about how they don't care about the players isn't going to guilt them into suddenly responding.

Modifié par Dilandau3000, 02 décembre 2011 - 04:36 .

[Trekfanboy]

lucidfox wrote...

The link doesn't work. Asks for a Microsoft Outlook Web Access password. (Microsoft? Seriously?)

Just remove the redirect and replace it with a direct link.

Fixed it. Sorry about that.

[Lumikki]

Iveforgotmypassword wrote...

I think the lack of response to this shows how much they care and also that the outcome is not something to be proud of as it's not as if it's a game breaking spoiler just something that could cost sales if Origin is necessary and not optional.

As far I have notice from Bioware behavior so far. Lack of response usually means they know that they customers are hostile agaist idea, but they gonna do it anyway. Little like happened with ME3 MP stuff.

How ever, I can understand MP in ME3, even if it wasn't that good idea, but Origin client without voluntary options for customers is just beyond stupid. I mean no company can be so stupid? It's like saying **** you customers we don't need you.

Modifié par Lumikki, 02 décembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

Dilandau3000 wrote...

I'm choosing to interpret the lack of response as "BioWare is still negotiating with EA to try to get rid of the Origin client".

Honestly, going on a tirade about how they don't care about the players isn't going to guilt them into suddenly responding.

I agree and am in the same camp. I've still got hope. It's gotten a little battered and bloody with the long wait but that 'ol hope is still standing in there and screaming in defiance.