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[Huwbutts]

Bioware, please relay this to the powers-that-be: I want to buy Mass Effect 3 - I would gladly pay a lot of money to do so. It is going to be a fantasitc game: funnily enough, people buy good games if they're worth the money.

However, you can bet your pretty faces that if I need a 'game portal' such as Origin to do so, you will not see a single penny from me.

Get it through your thick skulls: piracy will always exist - there is no way to stop it, nor slow it down. By adding intrusive DRM to your games, the SOLE thing you are accomplishing is aggrevating your loyal, paying customers; if I'm not mistaken, that's just bad, bad business.

[curly haired boy]

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

[SalsaDMA]

curly haired boy wrote...

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

I would wager a guess that it is because you only tried with older games that weren't forcefully integrated with origin.

Try the same with BF3, without a crack, and see if you need origin or not for it

[curly haired boy]

SalsaDMA wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

I would wager a guess that it is because you only tried with older games that weren't forcefully integrated with origin.

Try the same with BF3, without a crack, and see if you need origin or not for it

i can still add it to steam, though. it's funny that i can activate 2 separate overlays.

i don't have any origin friends and i don't think i ever will - in general, origin has much more limited community features.

[HoosTrax]

 Origin requirement = no buy for me. Simple as that.

If EA wants to experiment with their own little unoriginal, unnecessary, inferior version of Steam then have it, but I won't be buying anything attached to the service. I'm sooo sorry for them that they weren't forward thinking enough to be the ones to create the defacto standard digital distribution service for PC, really I am, but that's no excuse to take their toys and go home. There is no major compelling reason to have yet another distribution service that adds nothing new (well other than profit for EA), and it just fragments my game library across multiple services. Again, my condolences to EA that they didn't think up Steam first, but that boat has left the harbor now.

I own BF2, BF:BC2, KOTOR, ME1, and ME2. I don't own BF3 and SWTOR, and like ME3, I refuse to buy them if there's an Origin requirement. Way too many good games out there to feel compelled to use a service against my will.

I have no idea why developers continue to do business with EA, there are so many other publishers out there that are less intrusive for both devs and gamers. You could have the best game in the world, but that Origin requirement is going to be deadweight around your neck - just look at the sales numbers of BF3 vs MW3.

Modifié par HoosTrax, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:16 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

curly haired boy wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

I would wager a guess that it is because you only tried with older games that weren't forcefully integrated with origin.

Try the same with BF3, without a crack, and see if you need origin or not for it

i can still add it to steam, though. it's funny that i can activate 2 separate overlays.

i don't have any origin friends and i don't think i ever will - in general, origin has much more limited community features.

So how is that spyware now, its been a while since I last tested it on an empty system?

[Lumikki]

HoosTrax wrote...

 Origin requirement = no buy for me. Simple as that.

Me too.

If EA wants to experiment with their own little unoriginal, unnecessary, inferior version of Steam then have it, but I won't be buying anything attached to the service. I'm sooo sorry for them that they weren't forward thinking enough to be the ones to create the defacto standard digital distribution service for PC, really I am, but that's no excuse to take their toys and go home. There is no major compelling reason to have yet another distribution service that adds nothing new (well other than profit for EA), and it just fragments my game library across multiple services. Again, my condolences to EA that they didn't think up Steam first, but that boat has left the harbor now.

Steam requirement = no buy for me. Simple as that.

I don't use any digital distribution software.

I own BF2, BF:BC2, KOTOR, ME1, and ME2. I don't own BF3 and SWTOR, and like ME3, I refuse to buy them if there's an Origin requirement. Way too many good games out there to feel compelled to use a service against my will.

SWTOR doesn't require Origin client.

Modifié par Lumikki, 03 décembre 2011 - 03:55 .

[Embrosil]

curly haired boy wrote...

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

Really? How are you going to add e.g. Battlefield 3 to Steam when it has not been released there 

[OperativeX]

HoosTrax wrote...

 Origin requirement = no buy for me. Simple as that.

If EA wants to experiment with their own little unoriginal, unnecessary, inferior version of Steam then have it, but I won't be buying anything attached to the service. I'm sooo sorry for them that they weren't forward thinking enough to be the ones to create the defacto standard digital distribution service for PC, really I am, but that's no excuse to take their toys and go home. There is no major compelling reason to have yet another distribution service that adds nothing new (well other than profit for EA), and it just fragments my game library across multiple services. Again, my condolences to EA that they didn't think up Steam first, but that boat has left the harbor now.

I own BF2, BF:BC2, KOTOR, ME1, and ME2. I don't own BF3 and SWTOR, and like ME3, I refuse to buy them if there's an Origin requirement. Way too many good games out there to feel compelled to use a service against my will.

I have no idea why developers continue to do business with EA, there are so many other publishers out there that are less intrusive for both devs and gamers. You could have the best game in the world, but that Origin requirement is going to be deadweight around your neck - just look at the sales numbers of BF3 vs MW3.

I whole-heartedly agree with everything you said there. My ME1 and 2 are on Steam and if ME3 doesn't get a release on Steam then i won't be buying the game.

Peg Leg
Silver hook
Rum

All ready and waiting. You wanna force me EA - you'll end up forcing yourself into an early grave. I am consumer - i am your bread and butter. Give me the option to buy the game on Steam or DVD without the requirement of Origin and i'll pay. But don't push ur luck by attempting to force spyware onto my machines

Modifié par OperativeX, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[OperativeX]

:edit:

Modifié par OperativeX, 03 décembre 2011 - 07:03 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Embrosil wrote...

curly haired boy wrote...

since i can add any origin game to steam, and play it without origin running, i don't see a problem.

Really? How are you going to add e.g. Battlefield 3 to Steam when it has not been released there 

easy, just add origin.exe to your steam apps, then launch origin via steam. voila, you can use steam while playing bf3 or other games!

[Killjoy Cutter]

Embrosil wrote...

Alex_SM wrote...

EA has a simple way to fix this. Just modify the client so the data collecting is not mandatory, but optional. And before the user allows data collection, explain what data are they going to collect and stick with it. Exactly what Steam does.

A first step could be just making a little update to the client that just blocks data collection until the whole thing is solved.

People may still liking or hating Origin, but at least all the dangerous stuff goes away.

But you know what? I highly doubt this is going to happen. EA won't give up on their policy. If they would have wanted to give users a choice, then they would have given it from the beginning (because their main competitor gives that choice, it's not some kind of unknown feature). Instead they are just changing the EULA every week so they could dribble the complains. If they are doing it this way is because they consider that data collection to be an important part of their plans.

Exactly, if EA wants to have their own online distribution system, I do not have a problem with it. But it must be a working one, user friendly one and a transparent one. Let us select during the installation, if we want Origin to collect some of our data, or not. But this shady behavior, when Origin accesses many different directories and scans running processes simply is not good.

If Origin is really about "online distribution", why is it starting to be forced on people who are buying physical copies of games?

[HoosTrax]

Lumikki wrote...
Steam requirement = no buy for me. Simple as that.

I don't use any digital distribution software.

Steam / Valve clearly states that they do not require exclusivity for games that are sold on Steam. Many, many games on Steam are also available on DVD or direct from the developer, and do not require Steam whatsoever.

In the case of Steamworks games like Skyrim and MW3, it's the publisher's choice to require Steam activation as a replacement for DRM.

As it is, ME1 and ME2 are available both on Steam for those of us who prefer all of our games to be on that service, and it's also available on DVD for you guys who prefer not to have to install a digital distribution client. Win-win for both of us I think. As it is, it's shaping up to be lose-lose in the case of ME3. All I want is the status quo, the same distribution options as the first two games in the series, I'm not asking for mandatory Steamworks for ME3.

Modifié par HoosTrax, 03 décembre 2011 - 08:04 .

[Harry Voyager]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

LuciferSam_86 wrote...

I wish to pre-order Mass Effect 3 on Origin. When the game it's out, i'll have even a Online Pass or should buy it?

The "Online Pass" is simply ME3's version of the Cerberus Network that was present in ME2. It will cmoe free with all new copies of the game.

I'm a mite concerned that the primary defense of what Origin is doing amounts to "well, you're already being screwed six ways to sunday, so you should be fine with this too."

Just because you are an exhibitiontionist does not mean that everyone else is going to be perfectly cool with discovering that their neighbors have been peeking in their windows. Why do they even want ot know what I'm wearing for underpants? And how are their eyes not bleeding?

My main beef with Origin is that it is going to be running 24/7 flinging yet more adds at me for junk I don't want. I could deal with Stardock, until they started spamming me every time I woke my computer up. Now I don't play their games any more. How long do you think it will be before Origin does the same thing?

Addendum: I'm not terribly enthusiastic about EA trying to lock its customers into yet another attempt at a digital distribution network. Nearly every single one that I have used has ended in disaster.

First one I tried was Dark Orbit. Not that Dark Orbit, the one you haven't played or heard of. Fun little single-player space building game. The developers discontinued it, and when my activation key didn't work suddenly, they tried pawn me off with a copy of Super Poker as a replacement. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure poker is not a space setting action 4x game.

Second was Direct to Drive (D2D). They encrypted crytical parts of the programs, including the mod directories, such that A, you couldn't mod the moddable games, and B, loading took 20 minutes or more. I disctingly recall being able to get bored, fix breakfast, eat it, and wash the dishes all during a single loading period. When it was discovered that it was D2D causing it, and not the game itself, many people were a trifle annoyed.

Steam actually ended up working pretty well; I've only broken it once, and it doesn't spam me all day long.

Then there was Stardoc, which spammed me all day long, as mentioned above.

I also recall fighting through EA's last attempt at online distribution, which was not fun to fight through.

Modifié par Harry Voyager, 03 décembre 2011 - 09:17 .

[OperativeX]

Harry Voyager wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

LuciferSam_86 wrote...

I wish to pre-order Mass Effect 3 on Origin. When the game it's out, i'll have even a Online Pass or should buy it?

The "Online Pass" is simply ME3's version of the Cerberus Network that was present in ME2. It will cmoe free with all new copies of the game.

I'm a mite concerned that the primary defense of what Origin is doing amounts to "well, you're already being screwed six ways to sunday, so you should be fine with this too."

Just because you are an exhibitiontionist does not mean that everyone else is going to be perfectly cool with discovering that their neighbors have been peeking in their windows. Why do they even want ot know what I'm wearing for underpants? And how are their eyes not bleeding?

My main beef with Origin is that it is going to be running 24/7 flinging yet more adds at me for junk I don't want. I could deal with Stardock, until they started spamming me every time I woke my computer up. Now I don't play their games any more. How long do you think it will be before Origin does the same thing?

Addendum: I'm not terribly enthusiastic about EA trying to lock its customers into yet another attempt at a digital distribution network. Nearly every single one that I have used has ended in disaster.

First one I tried was Dark Orbit. Not that Dark Orbit, the one you haven't played or heard of. Fun little single-player space building game. The developers discontinued it, and when my activation key didn't work suddenly, they tried pawn me off with a copy of Super Poker as a replacement. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure poker is not a space setting action 4x game.

Second was Direct to Drive (D2D). They encrypted crytical parts of the programs, including the mod directories, such that A, you couldn't mod the moddable games, and B, loading took 20 minutes or more. I disctingly recall being able to get bored, fix breakfast, eat it, and wash the dishes all during a single loading period. When it was discovered that it was D2D causing it, and not the game itself, many people were a trifle annoyed.

Steam actually ended up working pretty well; I've only broken it once, and it doesn't spam me all day long.

Then there was Stardoc, which spammed me all day long, as mentioned above.

I also recall fighting through EA's last attempt at online distribution, which was not fun to fight through.

I concur. Had to fight my way through EADM myself. The tech support was pretty abyssmal and didn't seem to know what they were doing (reading out of a manual mostly). Then came the rebranding of EADM and Origin's birth. Some games that had worked fine on EADM suddenly had options missing from them when i re-installed my OS and re-downloaded some games via Origin. Then i noticed something was slowing my computer down a bit.

I heard from dozens of forums that Origin mines data. Deleted Origin and my pc's speed picked up again. The slowdowns weren't massive but they were certainly noticeable. So now i'm saying NO to Origin and anything exclusive to it. NO to spyware

[Sethan_1]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Edit: Post removed. Stay on topic or this gets closed. 

Considering it was putting to attention a case where customers could loose access to their games without having actually done anything, I figured it was on topic given that it would affect customers access to ME3 if that included Origin.

But whatever...

I guess the postive I can take from that post deletion is that there are still officials looking at the thread at least

Heh - was about to post a link to the same article you probably did, but given the age, figured I would check first.

IMO, the ability and actuality of EA permanently removing someone's access to their own games via Origin IS relevant to the discussion - especially when it was done for something someone else did, and the response so far from EA has been less than impressive.

Modifié par Sethan_1, 04 décembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

It's not a "plus" for a game when a paying customer's continued ability to play that game is dependent on EA's severely lacking committment to getting things right and treating their users like actual people.

[Xena_Shepard]

Ahhh, the sweet smell of the Evil Empire rising again everybody thought Activision had stolen their status as Evil Empire, but no, EA was just lurking in the shadows, waiting...

I don't really mind getting screwed one last time to play ME3 since it'll probably be the last BW game I ever buy, especially after that steaming pile they called a sequel to one of the best RPGs ever made...

Then again, if this 'origin' system is /required/ then I'd really have to re-think my CE pre-order considering that I never wanted 3 crappy DRM clients on my comp (namely steam, GFWL, and uplay) much less a 4th.

Every dev. now adays seems to think they just have to have their own DRM service. It's like a "who's is bigger" contest, if ya ask me.

Also: I find the fact that Origin is scanning private tax, phone, and sms records to be spine-chillingly disturbing.

Modifié par Xena_Shepard, 04 décembre 2011 - 09:54 .

[Frost45]

Sorry I'm new to posting here, this accounts where my activation is for the games I bought legally from steam, or even dare I say, from a store. I even purchased DLC for these games. 80 dollars or so just for my copy of ME2 and some new stuff? that's quite a heap of cash. If i didn't value my privacy, I would do the same for ME3.
Unfortunately, it seems I, as well as a plentiful ton of other people, will be removed from your list of customers as a result of an Origin requirement. So now I have options...
A. Don't play it.
B. Wait for it to show up on steam for a second round of sales (I plan to do this, if it doesn't show up, I revert to A.)
C.Deal with origin (and in the event i have DC problems that screw me out of my game because of crappy internet, which has been known to happen, well I guess I paid for nothing)
D. Pirate it(I won't do this, primarily because I'm religiously obligated not to steal, however, the thought of getting the game and all the DLC in a flawless playable form without Origin because some 12 year old PC whiz decided he wanted a bigger internet ego is pretty tempting.)
Simply put, I want to pay for your game and play it. Giving my hard earned cash to you lazy nuts at EA, as well as the people who made the game. However, if you refuse to let me play it and attempt to mislead me and deny my constitutional rights"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects(see "my computer"), against unreasonable searches(see, "looking through all of my files") and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." in that case I suppose we have an issue.

Modifié par Frost45, 04 décembre 2011 - 10:32 .

[lucidfox]

Frost45 wrote...

D. Pirate it(I won't do this, primarily because I'm religiously obligated not to steal

I doubt your religion has anything to say about copyright infringement, though, and it's not the same as stealing.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Frost - I am an atheist and I don't steal things, because it is my own rule. IMHO religions has nothing to do with copyright, but with controlling people. Please, I don't want to discuss that. I have too many points and noone or nothing will convince me to change my mind. So let's not destroy this thread or our pm inboxes.
Everyone knows that Origin steals informations from a computer, unless you run it locked in sandboxie environment.

[Lumikki]

lucidfox wrote...

Frost45 wrote...

D. Pirate it(I won't do this, primarily because I'm religiously obligated not to steal

I doubt your religion has anything to say about copyright infringement, though, and it's not the same as stealing.

You are right, copyright infringement is not same as Stealing. How ever, both of them are crime front of laws.

Frost45 is right there, in modern society we try to avoid breaking laws, what ever is our reasons for it. Point been you don't fight agaist injustice by breaking laws by your self.

What we do here is remind EA that Origin client is breaking laws and they forcefull attitude is not good for business.

Modifié par Lumikki, 04 décembre 2011 - 01:05 .

[lucidfox]

Lumikki wrote...

Frost45 is right there, in modern society we try to avoid breaking laws, what ever is our reasons for it. Point been you don't fight agaist injustice by breaking laws by your self.

Even when the laws favor corrupt corporations?

[Osiris273]

Bioware, please listen to your fans!!

[anzolino]

Again some news from Germany, maybe good news:
Last week EA has met some community members and other people from
bfbcs.com (Battlefield Stats)
gamestar.de (German gamer magazine)
esl.com (Electronic Sports League)
vdvc.de (Association for video and computer gamer of Germany)

EA was represented by
Mr.Intat (SeniorVice President Europe Publishing)
Mr.Rechenmacher (Vice President Global Marketing)
Mr.Moore (Senior Director E-Commerce Europe)
Mr.Klingelhöfer (Head of Marketing EA Games/EAP GSA)
Mr.Coenen (Managing Director EA Germany)
Mr.Lorber (PR Director Germany)
Mr.Ewald (EULA laywer)
Mr.Koch (BF Community Manager)
Mr.Schaefer (Vice President and CTO EA) on video stream.

For those who can read german: EA and the community (english translation will follow on the same site).

They talked about Origin and the community fears and wishes. In short:

EA doesn't know the reason for the bad image it has on the community and want to understand it.
Of course no permissions or decisions were made but the EA people truly listened to all the points the community has gathered in the last weeks. Some points seems new to them.
They admitted some mistakes and unclarified things. For example that Origin was initially designed to scan through the Programs folder and not only the Origin folder. But in the last version this was fixed (I agree).
EA said they have no intention to spy on the gamer, the only intention is to increase the quality of the products and placing advertisement.
EA will check collecting of personally data from german gamers in US.
They contradicted the automatically binding of non-origin EA games on the account. The community gave them a game list as proof to the contrary.
They will think about the connection between "don't accept new EULA" and "cannot play the game".
They contradicted the Origin crashs in offline mode (i.e. firewall blocks). No clarification about this.
EA wants to make Orign as a sale and social media platform, legally and software technically actions will developed into this direction. And this is some kind of funny, one of "our" people said then this would mean 100% of gamers would make free charges quality management. EA agreed. Sometimes they are really funny.
They also talked about the support issue, EA has it on top priority.
The community also mentioned the lost demo versions and that the gamer would rather download a demo before they pay a lot of money for the game.
And there were a lot of other things talked about...

Important is that EA has listend and noticed and perhaps they understand now the outrage and will change something. We will see.