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[Lumikki]

lucidfox wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Frost45 is right there, in modern society we try to avoid breaking laws, what ever is our reasons for it. Point been you don't fight agaist injustice by breaking laws by your self.

Even when the laws favor corrupt corporations?

Yes, even then.

You can't your self break laws, just because you don't like how something is. Point been, you don't decide what laws are worth of  following and what not, you need to follow all of them or start working lawful way to change the situation. That all until it comes time when most people in country decides that governments and laws of country doesn't serve anymore it's people, then it's our duty to rebel.

I don't my self like how corporation abuse they power and break laws, but that doesn't give me right to do same. That's what we talk here, EA abusing they power and innocent people who don't break laws are suffering from it. EA does it because name of criminals (pirates) and business, but that doesn't give them that right to abuse lawful peoples civil rights and break laws.

So, we are right and EA is wrong with Origin client. It's just question is EA arrogant enough to think they can do it without any consequences or would they see they mistake and start respecting laws and their customers rights.

HoosTrax wrote...

EA doesn't know the reason for the bad image it has on the community and want to understand it.

That's pretty easy to answer, because people in EA look situation from EA business side ONLY and doesn't really understand what they customers wants. Meaning EA makes decissions what are good for THEY business, but not good for they customers. Simple way saying making error of thinking that what's good for EA's business vision has to be good for customers too. EA has forgot that they job is to serve they customers and not just they own needs.

Modifié par Lumikki, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:46 .

[SalsaDMA]

lucidfox wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Frost45 is right there, in modern society we try to avoid breaking laws, what ever is our reasons for it. Point been you don't fight agaist injustice by breaking laws by your self.

Even when the laws favor corrupt corporations?

Then you work to get the laws changed.

Personally I feel the world could use a few more people that worked to change the politics they were unhappy with instead of just going "oh well.. maybe someone else will change it for me."

But this is going off on a tangent.

As it is, the workings of Origin is currently against the laws in several countries, and hooking it up to ME3 will ensure loss of sales for quite a few people.

[HoosTrax]

anzolino wrote...

For those who can read german: EA and the community (english translation will follow on the same site).

They talked about Origin and the community fears and wishes. In short: 

EA doesn't know the reason for the bad image it has on the community and want to understand it.

So...none of that addresses the fact that there is no legitimate need for Origin to begin with.

They're trying to figure out: "Why does EA and Origin have a bad image with the community?"

Hello? Seriously? Is EA being intentionally dense here? They pull all new releases of EA published games off Steam with the concocted, strawman argument that they didn't like Steam's DLC terms. Please name another major publisher who uses Steam and has expressed the same concerns. From interviews with various gaming media websites, most are quite satisfied with working with Steam. Simply put, it's not a coincidence that Origin came at the same time those game were pulled off Steam.

Have these games available for sale on both Origin and Steam (and without the Origin requirement -- we don't need multiple layer DRM like Steam games that still require GFWL online at all times). Let's see which service gamers prefer...

The answer to the posed question is very simple. Origin has a bad image because IT EXISTS. And it's totally gratuitous and unnecessary in every way, unless you as a developer had an online service predating Steam, as is the case of Battle.net and Blizzard. Even in this case, do note that Activision does not force Battle.net down the throats of people playing non-Blizzard games.

Modifié par HoosTrax, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

http://social.biowar.../5040/32126.gif
Nope, I won't buy Origin! | Vote for your privacy, protect us all and safe ME3 for us. No Origin! Thanks.

How did you make that signature Anzolino? Or like how do you put it in signature, I'd gladly add it to mine if I knew

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

nvm figured it out...we should all adopt the movement.

Signature Options are in top right under forum settings and use standard html coding, copy image url and paste between img] and /img], make sure to include closing brackets on the front (omitted to show how to do it)

Modifié par DRUNK_CANADIAN, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[anzolino]

Yeah, looks great )
(I made it in Photoshop, but this was weeks ago. I'm really sad you see it only today.)

[OperativeX]

Added sig for effect, thanks Anzolino

[Killjoy Cutter]

HoosTrax wrote...

anzolino wrote...

For those who can read german: EA and the community (english translation will follow on the same site).

They talked about Origin and the community fears and wishes. In short: 

EA doesn't know the reason for the bad image it has on the community and want to understand it.

So...none of that addresses the fact that there is no legitimate need for Origin to begin with.

They're trying to figure out: "Why does EA and Origin have a bad image with the community?"

Hello? Seriously? Is EA being intentionally dense here? They pull all new releases of EA published games off Steam with the concocted, strawman argument that they didn't like Steam's DLC terms. Please name another major publisher who uses Steam and has expressed the same concerns. From interviews with various gaming media websites, most are quite satisfied with working with Steam. Simply put, it's not a coincidence that Origin came at the same time those game were pulled off Steam.

Have these games available for sale on both Origin and Steam (and without the Origin requirement -- we don't need multiple layer DRM like Steam games that still require GFWL online at all times). Let's see which service gamers prefer...

The answer to the posed question is very simple. Origin has a bad image because IT EXISTS. And it's totally gratuitous and unnecessary in every way, unless you as a developer had an online service predating Steam, as is the case of Battle.net and Blizzard. Even in this case, do note that Activision does not force Battle.net down the throats of people playing non-Blizzard games.

Of course the corporate stiffs at EA don't understand, the image of Origin doesn't match the message they've been trying to get out, and they've all come up through the ranks believing that marketing trumps reality when it comes to dealing with the consumer. 

[Kaiyuna]

If ME3 requires Origin to be played, I'm getting it from thepiratebay instead.

I own Mass Effect 1 and 2, and many other games that I paid for, even though I could have pirated them from day one of their launch. So don't come saying "you were going to pirate it anyway".

But HELLS NO, I'm not installing Origin on my PC. Instead I'm getting it from warez, pirating it.

Either release it the fair way Spyware - I mean, Bioware or hells yeah, thepiratebay for the win.

[FieryDove]

As much as I dislike Origin, or Ubisoft always connect to servers for SP I won't pirate. I just won't buy or play those games. There is no excuse for stealing. NONE. Don't do it, and don't talk about it here. If you do you will most likely get banned or this thread locked or both. Stop.

Modifié par FieryDove, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Alex_SM]

SalsaDMA wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Frost45 is right there, in modern society we try to avoid breaking laws, what ever is our reasons for it. Point been you don't fight agaist injustice by breaking laws by your self.

Even when the laws favor corrupt corporations?

Then you work to get the laws changed.

I saw this one happening some times. People joining toguether, collecting signs, writing their concerns, getting them to the congress, and then 100% of congressist voting against changing anything and press writing why that concerns where wrong.  

I haven't seen any of this kind of actions being succesful... ever. 

The processes to make this are quite wrong, and to change them you have to go through one of this processes. 

It's like the "Don't worry people, we are not touching retirement age" statement said the day before election, and then having "I'm sorry people, but you have to work more and retire older" said 24 hours after winning election.  Or the party most benefited by election law saying "they're gonna change it, because it's wrong and people don't want it" and after wining saying "That's not big deal, we'll see if there is still time after we do all the important stuff". 


It's extremely hard for people to change things without social outbursts. And there won't be a social outburst related to any entertainment industry. 

[Fozee]

Indeed, please do not discuss piracy on our boards. I understand the dislike towards Origin, but that's just no appropriate here.

[dahoughtonuk]

I'm not buying this.  I'd like to say more but deleted it when I realised how wide ranging the post above was. I am not going to pay for the privilege of definitely having spyware on my computer.

Modifié par dahoughtonuk, 04 décembre 2011 - 09:00 .

[CenturyCrow]

Alex_SM wrote...
I saw this one happening some times. People joining toguether, collecting signs, writing their concerns, getting them to the congress, and then 100% of congressist voting against changing anything and press writing why that concerns where wrong.  

I haven't seen any of this kind of actions being succesful... ever.

Unfortunately, political processes are made by lawyers and politicians to serve politicians, not the general public. Corporations are not democratic, nor do they rely on democratic processes.

We can thank countries like Germany and Switzerland for having a loud voice to aid the consumer.

I do suggest writing a letter (not an email) to EA and a copy to BioWare to voice your opinion on the matter and that it your opinion will affect sale(s). Usually corporate policy makers do not read forums. Yes, it might get ignored and trashed but it's another way to get your opinion out; maybe enough of them might tip the balance. I have had mixed results writing to corporations, from ignored, to reply by letter as well as a few phone calls. Ignored by Corel; letter from BioWare; called by a SONY VP. No response from EA or BioWare yet on the issue of Origin. Note that some corporations do not make it easy to locate executive contact information, since they don't want you writing. And politicians have evolved to have big mouths and no ears 

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 04 décembre 2011 - 09:04 .

[WalkingBartie]

Kaiyuna wrote...

If ME3 requires Origin to be played, I'm getting it from thepiratebay instead.

I own Mass Effect 1 and 2, and many other games that I paid for, even though I could have pirated them from day one of their launch. So don't come saying "you were going to pirate it anyway".

But HELLS NO, I'm not installing Origin on my PC. Instead I'm getting it from warez, pirating it.

Either release it the fair way Spyware - I mean, Bioware or hells yeah, thepiratebay for the win.

Somehow, on some point, I agree with this. I have NEVER, during my whole life, pirated or downloaded a game illegally. I've always bought them at the closest retailer and will probably always do so.
But if ME3 requires Origin, I swear I will download it too just to get away from Origin. But I will still pick up my collector's edition and pay full price for it to support Bioware and their games.

I am still very much anti-piracy, but appearently, I'm more anti-spyware. I can only hope that Bioware notices how many of their fans that are raging about Origin.

[FieryDove]

WalkingBartie wrote...

Somehow, on some point, I agree with this. I have NEVER, during my whole life, pirated or downloaded a game illegally. I've always bought them at the closest retailer and will probably always do so.
But if ME3 requires Origin, I swear I will download it too just to get away from Origin. But I will still pick up my collector's edition and pay full price for it to support Bioware and their games.

I am still very much anti-piracy, but appearently, I'm more anti-spyware. I can only hope that Bioware notices how many of their fans that are raging about Origin.

No. Ubisoft will walk over and clap EA on the shoulder and say...see we said all PC gamers are pirates...and its true.

http://www.eurogamer...e-soldier-on-pc

Pathetic. Just like those of you who are saying you will STEAL it. Bioware woked hard on this. Blood, sweat and tears people. Can you honestly say you are so weak-willed that you have to play the game no matter how you do it? Triple-pathetic. Congrats for a new class of low.

[OperativeX]

No. Ubisoft will walk over and clap EA on the shoulder and say...see we said all PC gamers are pirates...and its true.

http://www.eurogamer...e-soldier-on-pc

Pathetic. Just like those of you who are saying you will STEAL it. Bioware woked hard on this. Blood, sweat and tears people. Can you honestly say you are so weak-willed that you have to play the game no matter how you do it? Triple-pathetic. Congrats for a new class of low.

We won't have to acquire the game in a 'non-legit' fashion if EA allows the game to be released on Steam or by DVD without the requirement of Origin. That is our message.

Modifié par OperativeX, 05 décembre 2011 - 12:35 .

[Sweawm]

"The cause of Piracy is the service not the cost". Steam understands that, why can't EA?
I mean, Steam won our attention with benevolence and keeping it efficient and real. Steam respectfully requests that I may conduct a survey on what programs and hardware your using.
Origin thinks they can extract this information from us without permission and their insane terms of use agreement.
I wasn't against Origin to begin with. I thought I would simply be installing another Impulse like program onto my computer I wouldn't even use again so I just could play Mass Effect 3. Turns out I was wrong.
When forced in playing a devil's advocate in a conversation with a fellow gamer over this, I defended my choice to continue playing Mass Effect despite Origin. If Battlefield 3 players on PC are already using it, then it possibly can't be that bad? Wrong.
The fact that Origin can extract what you use, your every last detail and sabotage your computer's most basic processes. Then they can legally sell that information to anyone they want and you don't have the legal right to protest because you agreed to their terms of use!
Origin needs to wake up. Gabe Newell was never more correct when he stated that the cause of piracy it a problem with the service.

[Furtled]

Bioware are getting flack here for something I doubt they have much control over, EA are publishing the game and I'm sure Bioware have spoken (and probably continue to speak) to EA about this (the BF3 situation is probably their main focus right now mind). It speaks volumes that there hasn't been an official statement yet so I'm choosing to take that as a hopeful sign.

I get why EA are pushing Origin as hard as they are, physical distrubution is more expensive and involves the kind of logistics that takes a lot of work, but as others have said simply deciding to force players away from physical to digital isn't the way to go about it. To my mind there's a few things they could do to get Origin better established in the gaming community:

• Clean-up the client code so it doesn't (as it currently appears to) poke into places it shouldn't, or cause any other technical issues (as some people have reported).
  
• Make it optional but sweeten the deal, EA are a publisher, they have a lot of options here that they seem to be ignoring. Want people to use Origin as a client? Then give them early access to games, anything from a week to a day would be a good incentive, throw in some Origin client user exclusive items and most gamers would be all over it.
  
• Make any data collection optional, but again, sweeten the deal. Internet users are coming around to the realisation that their data is a profitable resource for companies, acknowledge that and act accordingly.
  
• Clean up the EULA either by making a plain english version and/or rewording the problem sections. Also consider allowing gamers to play the games they've purchased without agreeing to it if legally possible.
  
• Find and properly fix whatever fault is making forum bans turn into game bans and issue notes to all customer service reps that if they get a user complaining of a forum ban impacting their games, then they need to investigate and fix the issue as soon as possible.
  
• Do some QA on their support, find common problems and make sure that all customer service reps are giving the same (correct) response to things (the Bringing Down the Sky key situation springs to mind). I don't know if EA's reps use a knowledgebase or intranet of sorts, but it would help to have reps share fixes etc. on these for other reps to allow all reps to give better, more consistent, customer service.
  
• Accept that some people will always pirate, you could offer them dancing girls and a free pony with every copy of the game they buy and they'd still grab it from the torrent sites. Accept that and move on, this doesn't mean they have no right to use DRM of some description, but start thinking of it from the players perspective;  if a legitimate, DRM'd version of a product is more complicated and problematic to use than a pirated version then it's the wrong DRM to use.
  
• Work on their PR and try to be more transparent when things go wrong, gamers are incredibly vocal, but it's always better to come clean as soon as something is pointed out then have someone dig it up and start shouting - for a recent example of how badly that can go wrong just look at the CarrierIQ mess.

Anyway, that's about as much work brain as I can manage to engage on a Sunday evening so time for sleep.

Modifié par Furtled, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[OperativeX]

EA's DRM certainly IS the WRONG kind of DRM. You'd think after installing a new OS all i'd have to do was re-install Origin then copy paste the install folders back into the main folders. I did that and my games appeared in the Origin library. Instead of saying 'Download' they said 'Install' coz the .exe files had been pasted. Great stuff! WRONG!

For some stupid reason Origin wasn't giving me permission to install from my backups. So like stated earlier, i had to delete the game folders and re-download all the games in my library. 'Bull$#!7!' was the word spinning round my brain.

So that worked after waiting hours to get things back to the way they were before the OS re-install. Then i got hit real bad a few months down the line when i changed my graphics cards. I went from 2x GTX480's to 2x GTX580's (3GB versions). For some reason Origin's DRM thought i was using a brand new computer. That being said, it took it as i'd used my last activations on a few of my games in the library and locked me out. I was like 'FRAKK!!'

So i emailed tech support and 3 days later i got given an additional activation liscence for the couple of games that i'd ran out of activations for. All coz Origin can't install games off of backed up folders.

I didn't see Steam doing that crap. Nope all i had to do was click on the Steambackup exe file for each game i'd backed up and after a few mins boom - re-installed no probs.

Origin is a frakking sick joke. There's no way im re-installing it. For me its Steam or DVD without Origin requirement. Or no sale.

Modifié par OperativeX, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[N0-Future]

At this point I dont think it matters what EA do to Origin, there is no way I would trust  It.

Modifié par N0-Future, 05 décembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Brohammed]

you don't decide what laws are worth of following and what not

Actually I do - but I am not going to go into how morally and philosophically reprehensible your view is, as this is not the place.



Bio-ware certainly wont be making money from me off ME3 with origin. A shame, I only purchase games without a DRM...

Modifié par Brohammed, 05 décembre 2011 - 02:43 .

[Lunatic LK47]

OperativeX wrote...

EA's DRM certainly IS the WRONG kind of DRM. You'd think after installing a new OS all i'd have to do was re-install Origin then copy paste the install folders back into the main folders. I did that and my games appeared in the Origin library. Instead of saying 'Download' they said 'Install' coz the .exe files had been pasted. Great stuff! WRONG!

For some stupid reason Origin wasn't giving me permission to install from my backups. So like stated earlier, i had to delete the game folders and re-download all the games in my library. 'Bull$#!7!' was the word spinning round my brain.

So that worked after waiting hours to get things back to the way they were before the OS re-install. Then i got hit real bad a few months down the line when i changed my graphics cards. I went from 2x GTX480's to 2x GTX580's (3GB versions). For some reason Origin's DRM thought i was using a brand new computer. That being said, it took it as i'd used my last activations on a few of my games in the library and locked me out. I was like 'FRAKK!!'

So i emailed tech support and 3 days later i got given an additional activation liscence for the couple of games that i'd ran out of activations for. All coz Origin can't install games off of backed up folders.

I didn't see Steam doing that crap. Nope all i had to do was click on the Steambackup exe file for each game i'd backed up and after a few mins boom - re-installed no probs.

Origin is a frakking sick joke. There's no way im re-installing it. For me its Steam or DVD without Origin requirement. Or no sale.

Glad I gave up on PC gaming SINCE 2008.

[sbvera13]

OperativeX wrote...

EA's DRM certainly IS the WRONG kind of DRM. You'd think after installing a new OS all i'd have to do was re-install Origin then copy paste the install folders back into the main folders. I did that and my games appeared in the Origin library. Instead of saying 'Download' they said 'Install' coz the .exe files had been pasted. Great stuff! WRONG!

This is because the game is no longer marked in the registry.  It's part of how Windows runs more then Origin.  Steam has the same problem; even automatic installers from 2005 have this problem (my morrowind cd still asks me to install the game when I put it in to play it.