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[Reptillius]

IsaacShep wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY wrote...

Zargon VII wrote...

Saying Origin is no worse than Steam is not only misleading, it is untrue. For fun a couple of months ago, Steam asked me if it could do a hardware survey. I thought sure, I'll show off my elite parts to Steam so maybe game makers would stop making games for DX9 only. I presumed it was basically going to do a dxdiag and just report parts back. Steam showed me the results of the hardware survey and I was horrified to see that Steam had scanned my entire hard drive and all the software I had installed. It then asked me if it was OK to send the survey results in and I said no. As I understand it ( and I have read the EULA), Origin is going to do this and NOT ask me if it's OK. That is a huge difference and why people are mad at Origin. Steam has issues too but at least it asks me if it's OK to steal my data.

Steam uses an an almost identical clause with one difference. Where Origin tells you what they can scan, they don't tell you why. Steam tells you why, but not what they're scanning. With or without you saying Ok to a survey. That survey has been used far too often as a defense of Steam vs. Origin, when it was a completely seperate thing from saying you agree to the Valve policies.

But it's the fact you CAN'T say no to Origin scans that is the problem here. Steam freaking asks you if it can scan and then asks again if it can send the data. Scans ARE NOT required to play the games. With Origin, they are. You can't decline to scans, if you do, you declline to the entire EULA and thus cannot install Origin and thus cannot install ME3, or Battlefield 3, or anything else.

With Steam. Also keep in mind.  They have a loophole in their EULA that lets other EULA's have some precidence in a "pass the buck" kind of style.  When you install certain games they may or may not simply do the scan and collect the data anyway without telling you.  Since you agree to both EULA's to play that particular game.

It also says that they are allowed to change things about their EULA and such.  So they can always choose to stop asking you about collecting the data as well. 

Both of which while not necessarily happening at this moment for any reason means that Steam is an equal villain in all of this because they can if they choose to.  And Isaac even pointed out that you can agree to the scan and they did collect that kind of information.  That's another thing that there are plenty of people that send those off and never read them either. 

[ironman001]

CAPSLOCK FURY account created 2011-10-14 defender of Origin work for EA oraz EAware(Bioware)?
If you read with understanding i always read everything before agree to it next this topic is not about STEAM but about if ORIGIN will be requested to play ME 3 o and i don't have account on STEAM.
PS. If some of you don't read EULA's and other thing before agree to it then watch South Park Season 15 Episode 1 HUMANCENTiPAD. 

Modifié par ironman001, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

ironman001 wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY account created 2011-10-14 defender of Origin work for EA oraz EAware(Bioware)?
If you read with understanding i always read everything before agree to it next this topic is not about STEAM but about if ORIGIN will be requested to play ME 3 o and i don't have account on STEAM.
PS. If some of you don't read EULA's and other thing before agree to it then watch South Park Season 15 Episode 1 HUMANCENTiPAD. 

I couldn't possibly understand half of what you type. You murder the English language to the point where I need a translator to make out anything you're trying to say. I can get on my account that was created in 09, though, if you're trying to act all high and mighty about your sign up date. I don't care what you use, nor was I even talking to you.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:29 .

[Melchiah109]

ironman001 wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY account created 2011-10-14

Insult people by using their account creation date, like a boss.

[NPH11]

I'll admit that Steam and Origin don't differ that much, but there is another reason I'll happily use Steam and not Origin.

I like Valve. I like them a fair bit. They've been good to me. I trust them a lot more than I trust EA.

Probably a pretty stupid reason to hate on Origin, but whatever. I'll take Valve scanning my system over EA scanning my system.

Modifié par NPH11, 17 octobre 2011 - 09:25 .

[shepskisaac]

NPH11 wrote...

Probably a pretty stupid reason to hate on Origin, but whatever. I'll take Valve scanning my system over EA scanning my system.

It's not a stupid reason. In this bussiness companies work their asses off for years to earn consumer trust. That's what Valve had to do with Steam. They didn't get 30+ million users overnight. It took them YEARS of ongoing improvement and proving the consumers Steam is a good app/store solution to get to this point. Meanwhile, EA screws up right at the beginning and the only thing they do is rewriting the EULA to make it sound less sinister while in fact nothing changed. And next month, they add "you can't sue us" clause. C'mon.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

NPH11 wrote...

I'll admit that Steam and Origin don't differ that much, but there is another reason I'll happily use Steam and not Origin.

I like Valve. I like them a fair bit. They've been good to me. I trust them a lot more than I trust EA.

Probably a pretty stupid reason to hate on Origin, but whatever. I'll take Valve scanning my system over EA scanning my system.

I don't like Origin because they have yet to make it stable enough for what they intend to use it for. Folks just need to get over this "EA is evil because their EULA is worded slightly different." and go after what's ACTUALLY wrong with it, instead of what some news article says is wrong with it. But, everyone will believe what they want to believe, regardless of what's put on top of their "I agree" buttons.

IsaacShep wrote...
Meanwhile, EA screws up right at the beginning and the only thing they do is rewriting the EULA to make it sound less sinister while in fact nothing changed. And next month, they add "you can't sue us" clause. C'mon.

The lawsuit clause is against class actions. If you bother to read what the clause is based off of, it's just cutting out the lawyers. By law, they can put whatever they want into an EULA, but it will not ever make them immune to lawsuits. This came as a reaction to the PSN breach, and publishers believe they can use the ruling over the AT&T case as grounds.

Modifié par CAPSLOCK FURY, 17 octobre 2011 - 10:31 .

[jeweledleah]

1. what exactly was wrong with current system of verification through having to have EA/bioware account?

2. have you all seen this yet?
http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf

its official and so far it looks like you don't even get an offline mode, like you do with steam. let them scan your computer without telling you, send information without telling you... or you can forget playing your game on PC.

[Computer_God91]

NPH11 wrote...

I'll admit that Steam and Origin don't differ that much, but there is another reason I'll happily use Steam and not Origin.

I like Valve. I like them a fair bit. They've been good to me. I trust them a lot more than I trust EA.

Probably a pretty stupid reason to hate on Origin, but whatever. I'll take Valve scanning my system over EA scanning my system.

Nah, I don't think it's stupid. I like Valve as well. I don't really care what they may or may not be doing to my system while steam is always running on it. Why? like you said I trust Valve. I don't trust EA at all.

[ironman001]

We don't get the answer from EA or EAware(Bioware) so we know the answer Origin will be requested to play Mass Effect 3.
PS. We waited 5 day for answer but get none thanks you very much EAware for funs support.
PS2. CAPSLOCK FURY have a nice paycheck for EA kiddo:) and come back with mommy because i don't understand you:)

[Siven80]

I accepted that lots of PC apps collect info, whether its websites, steam, origins or whatever, i accepted it years ago. Consoles probably do too. Origins does get a bad rep becuase its EA though.

Doesnt mean i like it, but i havent had any problems surface and i scan my PC once a month for virus, spyware and malware just to be sure.

So i dont really care if ME3 uses origins or not tbh as i will be using for BF3 and SWTOR too if it uses it (probably will). I also quite like what steam and origins do in that they centralize access to my games and allow me to follow and chat to my friends ingame without needing to logon to IRC or loadup ventrilo if i dont feel like it.

Modifié par Siven80, 18 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[Robhuzz]

Siven80 wrote...

I accepted that lots of PC apps collect info, whether its websites, steam, origins or whatever, i accepted it years ago. Consoles probably do too. Origins does get a bad rep becuase its EA though.

Doesnt mean i like it, but i havent had any problems surface and i scan my PC once a month for virus, spyware and malware just to be sure.

So i dont really care if ME3 uses origins or not tbh as i will be using for BF3 and SWTOR too if it uses it (probably will).

The retail version of SWTOR does not use Origin (thank goodness for that), it's only required to download the digital edition, and perhaps to be able to make use of the early access.

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

ironman001 wrote...
CAPSLOCK FURY have a nice paycheck for EA kiddo:) and come back with mommy because i don't understand you:)

If you can't complete a coherent statement, quit trying to insult me, because you're failing hardcore.

[Landline]

My Mass Effect 3 will require Origin.... Since I bought it on Origin.

Personally I don't really care about what other people are all up in arms about.

[N0-Future]

Has there been any verification on whether Mass Effect 3 will require Origin to play if its purchased as a hard copy? We were promised clarification on Origin on the 12th October but none was forthcoming, at least none that I know about.
Can anyone clarify?

Modifié par N0-Future, 19 octobre 2011 - 02:25 .

[CAPSLOCK FURY]

Just assume yes so we can get this garbage over with.

[BlaCKRodjj]

N0-Future wrote...

Has there been any verification on whether Mass Effect 3 will require Origin to play if its purchased as a hard copy? We were promised clarification on Origin on the 12th October but none was forthcoming, at least none that I know about.
Can anyone clarify?

Seems they're still working on an Origin FAQ.

[N0-Future]

That's what I thought mate, I just wanted to be sure I hadn't missed any info. Thanks anyway

[KainrycKarr]

ironman001 wrote...

We don't get the answer from EA or EAware(Bioware) so we know the answer Origin will be requested to play Mass Effect 3.
PS. We waited 5 day for answer but get none thanks you very much EAware for funs support.
PS2. CAPSLOCK FURY have a nice paycheck for EA kiddo:) and come back with mommy because i don't understand you:)

I have been reading this thread, and I don't like EA, or Origin, but frankly, you sound like a tool. Please refrain from posting, because we are all slightly less intelligent for having been forced to interpret your posts.

More on-topic, sounds like you have to install Origin and activate ME3 on it upon install, but won't have to stay logged into Origin to access and play the game.

I recommend doing some research on how to quarantine programs like Origin so they are restricted as to what they can actually access on your computer.

Go ahead, Origin, see what you can find on my computer. Good luck with that.

[Wittand25]

ironman001 wrote...

CAPSLOCK FURY account created 2011-10-14 defender of Origin work for EA oraz EAware(Bioware)?
If you read with understanding i always read everything before agree to it next this topic is not about STEAM but about if ORIGIN will be requested to play ME 3 o and i don't have account on STEAM.
PS. If some of you don't read EULA's and other thing before agree to it then watch South Park Season 15 Episode 1 HUMANCENTiPAD. 

So you object data collecting .
And you always read all EULAs.
And you agreed to the EULAs of both DA:O and ME2.

Am I the only one seeing the contradiction?

[N0-Future]

The only thing I object to is Origin going through all my files, folders, system registry, System hardware, ect, and sending said info to EA, who then have the right to sell said info. And with it not having an off switch or opt out button if you want to play the game your stuck with it.

Modifié par N0-Future, 20 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Wittand25]

N0-Future wrote...

The only thing I object to is Origin going through all my files, folders, system registry, System hardware, ect, and sending said info to EA, who then have the right to sell said info. And with it not having an off switch or opt out button if you want to play the game your stuck with it.

A.) It does not go through all files, because that is both illegal and impossible (think of the time an antivirus-software needs to scan your computer or how long the upload would take).
B.)Your information will not be sold seperatly only in an aggregated way similar to the ME2 statistiks that were announced a few months back.
C.)Right now there is a way to run Origin in an Offline Mode, So sending Data will not be required even if Origin is.

[N0-Future]

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

I think this speaks volumes...

PS I copied this of EA website.

Modifié par N0-Future, 20 octobre 2011 - 01:47 .

[SkittlesKat96]

I've been using/testing Origin a bit lately, its actually not so bad. I still really dislike the T&C though.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 20 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .

[BloodyTalon]

Aren't all these ea accounts we use to log into these forums getting converted to orgins sooner or later?