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[N0-Future]

Yes thanks Billy... much appreciated mate, and all good questions btw

Modifié par N0-Future, 06 décembre 2011 - 11:09 .

[SalsaDMA]

As long as EA can change the EULA for Origin at a whim and thus hold any games connected to it as ransom for your acceptance, I won't be using any origin games.

If I am laying down money for any purchase, I don't want an attempted blackmail later on telling me to "get with the new terms, or your only choice is to loose your previous investments".

If I wanted to rent games rather than purchase them, I'd visit the local blockbuster for such rather than go through the act of actually purchasing products.

[Killjoy Cutter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

As long as EA can change the EULA for Origin at a whim and thus hold any games connected to it as ransom for your acceptance, I won't be using any origin games.

If I am laying down money for any purchase, I don't want an attempted blackmail later on telling me to "get with the new terms, or your only choice is to loose your previous investments".

If I wanted to rent games rather than purchase them, I'd visit the local blockbuster for such rather than go through the act of actually purchasing products.

Exactly. 

As long as my purchased game would be at risk of becomming an "ongoing fee-based service" at the whim of EA, I'll spend my money elsewhere.

[Furtled]

Deleted - already covered by Billy and others (*shakes fist* curse you lack of delete option). Looking forward to seeing the official response (if you can get one).

Modifié par Furtled, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[CenturyCrow]

Chris Priestly wrote...
SO that is the only outstanding question? I thought there was a list around here someplace?

I'll repost my older list as soon as I locate it. It had some other questions

EDIT -adding my list from a previous post

FieryDove wrote...
I would really love to know if Origins is needed on ME3 retail copies...please? Anyone?

I don't see where anyone has answered your question.
And now might be a good time to start consolidating a list of questions

BioWare has not yet informed us if Origin will be mandatory for ME 3 retail copies, see page 1

There are secondary questions associated with it:
Will Origin be mandatory for single player?
Will Origin be mandatory for multiplayer?
Will Origin be mandatory for in-game content DLC, such as what's on the Collector's Edition?
Will Origin be mandatory for any other DLC?
Does Origin act as DRM? (If not, then we can legally circumvent it, i.e. Sandboxie, etc)

If Origin isn't DRM, what form of DRM will be use in ME 3 retail?

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[HoosTrax]

Thanks for adding #7, billy (regarding Steam availability).

I know I'm in the small minority, but it bothers me more to have my library spread out across multiple DD services, than the other issues people are concerned about. I have never been warned, much less banned from an online forum. And unfortunately, I'm desensitized to companies data mining me, so perhaps I'm less outraged about that aspect than I should be (none of you use Gmail? it seems like the same situation).

Modifié par HoosTrax, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I am in a constant fight with gmail to keep it out of my business.

One more creepy revelation about Google and I'm going to dump that account.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Please remember that we are in Biowares house.

They invited us in and have allowed us to discuss a topic in a way that most likely isn't too pleasant for them.

Please voice your concerns and opinions in a reasonable and respectful manner and stay on topic and we won't have to worry about the thread being closed.

Respect is a good thing but it has to go both ways. They have respected us enough to let the thread stay open. Lets respect them by staying on topic and being polite eh?

Please. Pretty please. With whipped cream and a big cherry on top.

I don't actually get the sense that EA has any respect for the customer.

There is a certain topic we've been warned about discussing more than once in this thread and it keeps coming up again.

--That's-- what I was comenting on. 

But whatever.  I'm starting to not care anymore.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:46 .

[anzolino]

Come on, Nathander. Don't give up! Look, Chris will take care of it. So, we are the lucky ones )

Thanks, Chris.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Please remember that we are in Biowares house.

They invited us in and have allowed us to discuss a topic in a way that most likely isn't too pleasant for them.

Please voice your concerns and opinions in a reasonable and respectful manner and stay on topic and we won't have to worry about the thread being closed.

Respect is a good thing but it has to go both ways. They have respected us enough to let the thread stay open. Lets respect them by staying on topic and being polite eh?

Please. Pretty please. With whipped cream and a big cherry on top.

I don't actually get the sense that EA has any respect for the customer.

There is a certain topic we've been warned about discussing more than once in this thread and it keeps coming up again.

--That's-- what I was comenting on. 

But whatever.  I'm starting to not care anymore.

I do have some degree of respect for Bioware for not closing this thread, but it is also to their benefit, if they indeed close this thread as Origin discussing threads prior to this (yes several existed, I've been here some time now), a dozen would pop up every hour or two. It is much more logical to keep it all in one thread...plus they wouldn't ban a sizeable part of their community would they?

[MadLaughter]

Glad to see you're still working on it, Chris.

[MarauderESP]

oh chris u remembered us........ thanks

i just hope that origin will be voluntary or that would be a no purchase, maybe rent to see how it ends then close the coffin of €A games, i already didnt buy BF3 and is a shame becouse i have all the rest, same with NFSTR and i have all the rest, and i did the same with SWTOR just becouse it had an €A logo on it....... i´ve lost all trust on them and by extension all their subsidiaries.... and after DA2 i losted on BW too.... so please no Origin or Voluntary one thanks:whistle:

Modifié par MarauderESP, 07 décembre 2011 - 09:51 .

[hangmans tree]

Still no reply? We've got 4 month till premiere and I want to Order collectors/limited edition if possible. The longer the "lie in wait" the slimmer the chance I'll get one methinks. But even worse is the fact that I'm still uncertain wether I'll buy the game at all!

Now that would be an epic conclusion to a trilogy <_<

Modifié par hangmans tree, 07 décembre 2011 - 11:05 .

[CenturyCrow]

Ford_Prefect wrote...
Here goes:  http://www.theorigin...rdpress/?p=2235

Thanks for the link, it looks like we will need more patience for answers.

Quite a bit to ponder, (along with some of the translation oddness). It's obvious it may take some time for official answers about Origin as the legal questions (EULA) as well as some technical issues (re-installing Windows) are untangled and what will be optional or voluntary or what will be mandatory.

However, reading the translation from the EA German site (and I'm presuming theorigin is an EA site), it adds additional issues (and probably new questions):

The important question, whether old games would remain in use if one didn’t agree to the new EULA was also unresolved. EA did not have an answer to this, but would think of a solution to this problem.

Also mentioned was if there were different variations of Origin in effect (and I presume EULAs):

When inquired whether there was a separate German Origin Client due to German law restrictions, Mr. Schaefer did not answer the question directly but stated that the Origin Client has already been cleansed at various levels

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 07 décembre 2011 - 12:45 .

[Alex_SM]

“So you’re saying that every single customer using Origin is working as an expenseless means for quality testing for EA? Quote Dr Intat: “If you want to phrase it like that, yes, you’re right.”

[Killjoy Cutter]

That's the way all software works now -- get it kinda done, and then release it and let the customers be your unpaid QA staff.

[DJRackham]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That's the way all software works now -- get it kinda done, and then release it and let the customers be your unpaid QA staff.

Bethesda is notorious for this. Love their games, but sheesh, they're major bug fests on initial release. If it wasn't for the Modding community, half the bugs would never get squashed. 

Modifié par DJRackham, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:53 .

[Mister Mida]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That's the way all software works now -- get it kinda done, and then release it and let the customers be your unpaid QA staff.

As a proffesional software developer I say that it's been working this way from the start. You need customer input to improve software. If you don't get input from your users, you're either doing something really good or really wrong.

But I have to agree that some companies take this practice to an extreme.

[Sundance31us]

Not just software, when you buy a car chances are there will be a few recall orders.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

SalsaDMA wrote...

As long as EA can change the EULA for Origin at a whim and thus hold any games connected to it as ransom for your acceptance, I won't be using any origin games.

If I am laying down money for any purchase, I don't want an attempted blackmail later on telling me to "get with the new terms, or your only choice is to loose your previous investments".

If I wanted to rent games rather than purchase them, I'd visit the local blockbuster for such rather than go through the act of actually purchasing products.

Yes ideally Origin free seems the most logical course of action, I mean even with revisions, unless they are drastic revisions....seems unlikely at this time....its a no for buying...I mean if they do tweak Origin I may pick it up on sale since Origin is desparate to generate revenue/consumers (hence BF3 half off sale a month or two later, laugh)....that and I have been under the impression that Origin will be forced upon us that I went out and bought Skyrim...although Steam coupled with that was a major no no in my books, I can tolerate steam more or less...that may change though...frankly PC gaming is pissing me off, I might go back to console if things keep up.

[Killjoy Cutter]

If PC gaming continues down the path it's on, maybe I'll finally get back to my writing...

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If PC gaming continues down the path it's on, maybe I'll finally get back to my writing...

I won't give up on gaming completely, as is its well accepted knowledge that console gaming is getting the majority of developer attention...I mean seriously how many PC ports have we gotten recently...plus more or less DRM free...

Only problem is you get crappy hardware...then again my PCs are never really cutting edge, but better than most....

[Luvinn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If PC gaming continues down the path it's on, maybe I'll finally get back to my writing...

For me, if PC gaming continues to go down this 'forced spyware installation' route, then I will be forced to do something that I never thought would happen, namely buying a console for AAA titles. My computer files aren't just crap you can freely look through, its my life. I have nothing to hide on my PC, but they also have no right to look at it. Simple as that.

[SalsaDMA]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

TheOrigin.de has posted a report of the meeting with EA in Cologne/Germany.

Whereas the majority of the site's content is - no surprise - in German, they put some effort into coming up with something in English, which is advantageous for international redristribution, looking at the the fact how many people are unfortunately stuck with only one languange or German not being amongst the languages they speak.

Here goes:  http://www.theorigin...rdpress/?p=2235

Interesting..

But why this? : " All attendees agreed to not record the conversation via audio tape.
Also no word for word stenography was created".

I know it's a problematic situation for EA with the Origin hate, but if anything they should have been as forthbringin as possible to allow a proper recount to happen. Try making such a demand at a proffesional pressmeeting and see the reaction you would get Tbh, that particular detail makes me wary of EA's attempt as it gives them a carte blanche to deny anything as being merely 'hearsay' or even make up stuff by targeting the subconcious of the attendees.

For me, that detail alone nullified any suggested outstrecthed hands, and feels more like they wanted to do a targeted PR campaign at a vocal group they were aware were hurting them financially than anything else.

Anyways, from what IS relayed there, there still are some interesting bits. First of all, they admit they stepped over the line in what they scanned, with having given the software rights to act outside its own area of interest on the system. Secondly, they seemed elusive with solid answers and mostly fired off PR stuff and unverifiable "we'll check up on it" answers.

All in all, interesting, but doesn't give me any hope for a responsible EA or a Origin software I would want to have installed on my machine.

So the question still very much remains:
Does EA/Bioware want my purchase of ME3 or not?
Ie. does it require Origin (no purchase) or not (certain purchase)?

Edit:
Aaaand, I stumbled upon this from RPS: http://www.rockpaper...update-edition/
Now WHY won't EA give an official statement to RPS on the issue, while they at the UNRECORDED meeting with private individuals we merrily got: "However EA admitted that the whole Origin account should not be banned,
but as a maximum a ban (additionally to the forum ban) for the affected game would be preferable. Resolution of this problem is “top priority” too, because 2009 EA still assured that both forms of accounts will never be merged."

Seriously, EA, you REALLY are hurting your credibility with only making some of the statements people want when they are NOT on official records...

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:01 .