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[Johnsen1972]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

TheOrigin.de has posted a report of the meeting with EA in Cologne/Germany.

Whereas the majority of the site's content is - no surprise - in German, they put some effort into coming up with something in English, which is advantageous for international redristribution, looking at the the fact how many people are unfortunately stuck with only one languange or German not being amongst the languages they speak.

Here goes:  http://www.theorigin...rdpress/?p=2235

I hope something will change! Thx for the link!

[Killjoy Cutter]

The new EU legislation is a start, but as long as Origin is required in any way, forget it, I'll do something else with my time.

[Lumikki]

I just got message that my complain about EA's behavior related Origin client is transfered some other goverment office in my country. So, goverments are very slow, but it seem to go slowly to somewhere. I think EU will be faster than my country.

Modifié par Lumikki, 08 décembre 2011 - 02:53 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Keep fighting the good fight. Its odd we have to fight for the right to give a company money....quite unheard of tbh.

[SalsaDMA]

MassStorm wrote...

Now that this issue is solved the new question is: Will the EU survive long enough as an entity to implement these measures?  ......just joking.......

Well the euro are having issues at the moment it seems.

Even if the euro isn't used in all EU member states, it does have an effect on the stability of the 'project' called EU.

To be honest, I think it's the first time I actually cheer for a EU legislation as a EU 'citizen'.

[Alex_SM]

Wow, let's hope EU makes it right!

[anzolino]

I don't want to spoil the euphoria for you, however the new EU directive is a draft and will be published in January. Then the parliament will discuss it, then the 27 countries will discuss it and compare it to their country specific laws. That is the tricky part. (You know: 3 lawyers = 10 point of views => this for 27 countries) There are estimates that the directive will not approved before 2016.

The EU is not faster than your country, Lumikki. The complain regarding the Origin EULA exists since the beginning of September but still no finally answer.

[SalsaDMA]

anzolino wrote...

I don't want to spoil the euphoria for you, however the new EU directive is a draft and will be published in January. Then the parliament will discuss it, then the 27 countries will discuss it and compare it to their country specific laws. That is the tricky part. (You know: 3 lawyers = 10 point of views => this for 27 countries) There are estimates that the directive will not approved before 2016.

The EU is not faster than your country, Lumikki. The complain regarding the Origin EULA exists since the beginning of September but still no finally answer.

Well it does give some interesting effects, nonetheless.

If the legislation takes effect, it doesn't matter that a product was released prior to the legislation. This means ME3. So if the legislation took effect and people THEN purchased ME3 afterwards, EA would HAVE to remove the spyware before the products reaches consumers or face serious fines from the EU.

At the time schedule you are estimating, we are probably talking about a ME3 on heavy sale then.
I can wait, no prob.

Ea's dilemma in that case then, becomes: Do they want to rake in the sale of ME3 as a newishly released sale (purchased by user near release), or do they want the sale of ME3 as a heavily discounted sale due to time passed.

The end product I would receive would be the same: ME3 without spyware attached. The difference would be in the amount of money EA would be able to actually get from the sale to me.

[Dominus]

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

[OperativeX]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

Absolute genuis! But EA have neither the initiative or the sense of humor to be this great. *salutes Croteam*

[Sethan_1]

Nahal The Reckless wrote...

So, EA is going to be forced to make Origin's data mining optional?

It was always going to be optional.  You have the option of whether or not to install Origin.  If you choose to not, there is no data mining, and you won't be able to play ME3.

[CenturyCrow]

Sethan_1 wrote...
It was always going to be optional.  You have the option of whether or not to install Origin.  If you choose to not, there is no data mining, and you won't be able to play ME3.

And if you read through these pages, you'll see that a lot of people have considered another option:
Refuse to buy; Origin install not an issue. Loss of sale to EA, loss of finishing the trilogy to the long time BioWare fan and customer.

But until we have official word from EA on the various questions that have been asked, I'm willing to be patient. In particular: Will we be able to finish the trilogy as a single player without the installation of Origin? Especially in light of the privacy protection that may arise in Europe and elsewhere, allowing the optional install of Origin would resolve the problem for both the concerned user and EA. No Origin, no issues; sale for EA, game for BioWare fan. Problem solved.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 09 décembre 2011 - 02:43 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Sethan_1 wrote...

Nahal The Reckless wrote...

So, EA is going to be forced to make Origin's data mining optional?

It was always going to be optional.  You have the option of whether or not to install Origin.  If you choose to not, there is no data mining, and you won't be able to play ME3.

And that's the issue entirely, I mean logically think about this, as a consumer you are paying money to play the game, not to suffer from spyware, and although we are not to discuss it, we know that the very thing EA DRM is put in place to prevent is going to be used to defeat it. Its the most contradictory and stupid move from a marketing perspective to have scanning forced upon the user, its going to cause what they are trying to prevent, there only hope of recovering those losses is selling your data to marketing companies.

[lucidfox]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this.

Fixed.

[Metalrocks]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

lol, thats great. thank god i dont have this one in my honest, legally purchased product.
€A would never do something like this. they are to greedy and to damn proud of their spyware. ubisoft should do the same as croteam. since they think that 95% of the pc gamers are priates.
i really hope things will change that we are not forced to have origin running to play the retail version.

[mcneil_1]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

If they have the time to include something like that, then they have the time to have a completely bug free game that will never need any patches to fix problems

[Mister Mida]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

And yet it's chained up to Steamworks.

[Raygereio]

DominusVita wrote...
Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

Arkam Asylum did something similar in which the glide just would't work and you couldn't progress through the game anymore. Basically that's the developer releasing a crack with a nasty suprise in it on their own, before any releases from various groups. Funny, but not effective as a means of DRM as a "genuine" crack wont have that issue.

[Alex_SM]

Mister Mida wrote...

And yet it's chained up to Steamworks.

But that's because it was only released through steam. I don't think physical copies do exist. 

[Mister Mida]

Alex_SM wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

And yet it's chained up to Steamworks.

But that's because it was only released through steam. I don't think physical copies do exist. 

Croteam wrote...
Just a quick note to let all Serious Sam fans know that Serious Sam 3: BFE has just been released for PC!

It is available for purchase on Steam by clicking on this link:
http://store.steampo....com/app/41070/.

It is also available on D2D, Impulse and other digital distributors!

No matter where you buy it, it's still chained up to Steam.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 09 décembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[Wardka]

I can't believe it's taking months to get a straight answer, yes or no, about Origin.

One will lead to me purchasing ME3, the other that I won't be playing it at all.

[Durka531]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

HA I had a laugh seeing this although its nothing new, some 90's shareware games had something like this where an indistructible npc would show up and "remind" you that you haven't payed for the game. The first time I sall this type of "DRM" was in a old mac game called escape velocity where Cap'n Hector would do the same thing after 30 days.

[Durka531]

Wardka wrote...

I can't believe it's taking months to get a straight answer, yes or no, about Origin.

One will lead to me purchasing ME3, the other that I won't be playing it at all.

The cynic in me is thinking that they will hold off until people buy the game and then say something like " o you didn't know, my bad"  but it also could be that they want to show us more of the game so that when they anounce it people won't care since they want it regardless.  I canceled my preorder of the collecters edition a wile back and i'm holding off until this question gets awnsered.

[CenturyCrow]

Durka531 wrote...
The cynic in me is thinking that they will hold off until people buy the game and then say something like " o you didn't know, my bad"  but it also could be that they want to show us more of the game so that when they anounce it people won't care since they want it regardless.  I canceled my preorder of the collecters edition a wile back and i'm holding off until this question gets awnsered.

Changing the EULA, TOS, Privacy Statement after the purchase is something I'm wary of as well. SONY did it to my PS3 and there's no way to hold them to the original EULA and TOS that I agreed to when I first purchased it. Looks like the same thing is happening with the XBox. To continue to play online, you're held hostage to signing the new agreement; or as I do, use it as a BluRay player that's not connected to the Internet.

If we somehow manage to escape the install of Origin with a retail purchase of ME3, what's to prevent Origin from being reinstated as a mandatory install with a revised EULA ,a game patch, DLC or automatic update we have no control. Not willing to be the first on the block to install an EA game anymore.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 09 décembre 2011 - 02:12 .

[Wardka]

Durka531 wrote...
The cynic in me is thinking that they will hold off until people buy the game and then say something like " o you didn't know, my bad"  but it also could be that they want to show us more of the game so that when they anounce it people won't care since they want it regardless.  I canceled my preorder of the collecters edition a wile back and i'm holding off until this question gets awnsered.

You know, it might not be far from the truth. EA is well aware of how negatively people feel about Origin, so it is in their best interests not to announce that ME3 will require it. I really can't see any other reason for these delays... unless Bioware is trying to convince EA not to push Origin onto ME3 or something. I don't know.

Anyway, it'd just suck to find out that we're not allowed to finish Shepard's story unless we install Spyware, after all these years. It'd pretty much make me lose faith in the Bioware/EA combo entirely.