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[natie]

DominusVita wrote...

Well, if you're looking to convince Electronic Arts to try a different method of DRM, you could always suggest or support something like this. Why have client installs, when you can have a giant, immortal scorpion of death?

I don't really understand the "rather than inconveniencing real customers with anti-piracy measures like constant internet connections or client installs". No matter what method they chose, the game still has to know if it's legal or not (for the scorpion to even work). DRM is still involved in this case, and it could very well be the always-online check or download clients. The scorpion itself is not a form of DRM, it's only an end result of failed authentication. Now, if they used some light DRM, like CD check, then kudos to them, but the scorpion has absolutely nothing to do with it.

And on topic, I hope that after the theorigin.de intervention EA will get their act together and finally make some policy regarding Origin. Right now it seems to be a random decision by some executive. "Let's use Origin for this, because I feel like it" or "let's ban the whole accounts, even though it's probably illegal in large part of the world, but I'm no lawyer so I don't care".

Modifié par natie, 09 décembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[Durka531]

CenturyCrow wrote...
If we somehow manage to escape the install of Origin with a retail purchase of ME3, what's to prevent Origin from being reinstated as a mandatory install with a revised EULA ,a game patch, DLC or automatic update we have no control. Not willing to be the first on the block to install an EA game anymore.

Well in a way they already did make origin mandatory install but only for games that people got through their old EA download manager. I know this because about two months ago I decided to play hellgate london on an older compter but since i got it online from EA i needed to run the download manager to verify my copy. Well I think you know how that went, the moment i started the download manager it asked for an update that happened to be origin.
So now that I refuse to install origin on any computer I can't play that game again.

Now for games that came out before origin was made manditory or for games that don't have it (fingers crossed)  i don't think people have to wory too mutch since they  haven't done it to games that have come out in the last two years and i don't see EA going through all that work for anything older. For example EA had their chance to "rope in" Dragon age 2 with Mark of the Assassinbut they didn't do it.

[Rauhallinen]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[Wardka]

I refuse to do that, because then EA still gets my money. I refuse to support these nefarious business practices in any form.

[Killjoy Cutter]

natie wrote...

I don't really understand the "rather than inconveniencing real customers with anti-piracy measures like constant internet connections or client installs". No matter what method they chose, the game still has to know if it's legal or not. DRM still has to be involved, and it could very well be the always-online check or download clients.

Why?  It's not as if any form of DRM has ever actually succeeded in doing anything uselful, or anything other than needlessly harrassing and inconveniencing the actual paying customers.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 09 décembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[Lumikki]

Wardka wrote...

I refuse to do that, because then EA still gets my money. I refuse to support these nefarious business practices in any form.

Yeah, this is about voting with wallet. Not about playing games with any cost. You can't change anything, if you don't stand up against something what's wrong. Lets just hope EA does the right thing.

There is nothing wrong to have some DRM in software to reduse it's illegal distrubutions. As long DRM doesn't cause issues with legal customers, it's fine. Too difficult DRM like requirement of online connection is not good, becuse it can cause many connection and privacy related issues to legal user. Legal softaware should never become worst than illegal one, because DRM or other DD systems.

Modifié par Lumikki, 09 décembre 2011 - 10:11 .

[natie]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Why?  It's not as if any form of DRM has ever actually succeeded in doing anything uselful, or anything other than needlessly harrassing and inconveniencing the actual paying customers.

I agree with that, but the addition of a giant, immortal scorpion doesn't change anything. The scorpion is useless without underlaying DRM, it's not like it's a real, intelligent being that will know if your copy is pirated or not. Duh.

So instead of blocking the game completely they just add a hinderance, and suddenly everyone is excited by it. I don't get it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I hadn't even looked that the link with the scorpion, wasn't really refering to that. Just to the idea that DRM is usefull or necessary to begin with.

[Eradyn]

Just checking in again. I understand the conversation is drifting away toward DRM and the like in general, but I want to say that I'm not against digital purchases and copies; I like Steam and have no qualms with Steam. It keeps to itself, is a convenient program that offers value to me, and I like its sales. Many of my games come through Steam. My reservations with Origin so far have been rooted in the claims people are making that it reads all your files and data in your harddrive and uploads this info to EA. EULAs are meaningless to me; they rarely can be upheld in a court of law and they are changed on the fly at the publisher/developers' whim.  So for me, the part I would like evidence/confirmation for or against is the behavior of the Origin client itself.

I recall seeing the screenshots where Origin was tracked as it read the various programs and the like in one individual's files, including his taxes. Was it ever determined it was reading the data in those files and then uploading them? Just looking for clarification/more info on this; thanks.

Modifié par Eradyn, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:44 .

[SalsaDMA]

Eradyn wrote...

Just checking in again. I understand the conversation is drifting away toward DRM and the like in general, but I want to say that I'm not against digital purchases and copies; I like Steam and have no qualms with Steam. It keeps to itself, is a convenient program that offers value to me, and I like its sales. Many of my games come through Steam. My reservations with Origin so far have been rooted in the claims people are making that it reads all your files and data in your harddrive and uploads this info to EA. EULAs are meaningless to me; they rarely can be upheld in a court of law and they are changed on the fly at the publisher/developers' whim.  So for me, the part I would like evidence/confirmation for or against is the behavior of the Origin client itself.

I recall seeing the screenshots where Origin was tracked as it read the various programs and the like in one individual's files, including his taxes. Was it ever determined it was reading the data in those files and then uploading them? Just looking for clarification/more info on this; thanks.

Ea have admitted that Origin went outside its own folder looking at stuff but claims that it is not doing so anymore.

Take that as you want to.

For me it just certifies that I don't want the program, as they aren't above 'forced updates' as seen in the past.

That they also claim it was a 'mistake' that it looked at stuff I can't really feel anything positive towards. They claimed it was a 'misunderstanding' when faced with a class action suit that forced them to go back on officially stated claims. So personally I really don't give much for their credibility in this regard.

YMMV of how to see this kind of things, ofc.

[Reaper Worshipper]

Wait PS3, Xbox 360 or PC Version?

[Chris Priestly]

If there is ONE more post about piracy, illegal activity, circumventing copy protection or similar I will close this thread down. I know many of you are patiently waiting for answers, but this sort of discussion will NOT be tolerated here. We have been tolerant of all the slights and comments about BioWare and EA here and we're trying to ignore the minor things that pop up BUT one more time and this gets closed until there are actual details provided WHENEVER that may be.

Understand?

Final warning.

[DiebytheSword]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If there is ONE more post about piracy, illegal activity, circumventing copy protection or similar I will close this thread down. I know many of you are patiently waiting for answers, but this sort of discussion will NOT be tolerated here. We have been tolerant of all the slights and comments about BioWare and EA here and we're trying to ignore the minor things that pop up BUT one more time and this gets closed until there are actual details provided WHENEVER that may be.

Understand?

Final warning.

Just so we're clear that includes the sweeping swashbuckling epic that involved stealing freight on the high sea and singing other pirate crew's songs without proper liscensing right?



That said, I think all this talk about Origin is silly as we literally know nothing yet.  On the flip side of that, Bioware and EA need to manage bad expectations too, and decide what they are doing waaaaaaaaay back when people are pre-ordering.

[Rompa87]

Odd that it should take this long to get clarification from EA on this issue? Are they not BW's parent company? Is there no form of speedy communication between the two?

[ironman001]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If there is ONE more post about piracy, illegal activity, circumventing copy protection or similar I will close this thread down. I know many of you are patiently waiting for answers, but this sort of discussion will NOT be tolerated here. We have been tolerant of all the slights and comments about BioWare and EA here and we're trying to ignore the minor things that pop up BUT one more time and this gets closed until there are actual details provided WHENEVER that may be.

Understand?

Final warning.

I have better idea just ban person that doing this, some just can use this as way to close this Topic and we don't want that:innocent:.
PS. That would be unfair to all that just want an answer.

[Mykel54]

Too late, i´ve waited way too long for bioware to answer this simple question. I´ve cancelled my CE preorder and moved on to other games. Your lack of communication cost you one customer bioware. I hope the people that haven´t cancelled yet get their answer in time to decide, and not the last minute.

[charmingcharlie]

Reaper Worshipper wrote...

Wait PS3, Xbox 360 or PC Version?

If you are asking which platform will be affected by this then it is the PC platform that may be forced to install the Origin client which does questionable things.  The console version of Mass Effect 3 will require an Origin account (which you already have) but will not require the installation of the Origin client.

I also have to wonder why getting an answer is taking so long ?  I mean surely they must know by now whether Origin will be required to play Mass Effect 3.  We are less than 2 months from a demo release and less than 4 months from a full release of the game and Bioware isn't sure as to whether the game will require Origin or not ?

[CenturyCrow]

ironman001 wrote...
I have better idea just ban person that doing this, some just can use this as way to close this Topic and we don't want that:innocent:.
PS. That would be unfair to all that just want an answer.

I agree. I'd like it kept open so we get an official answer to all the questions posted.

[Feanor_II]

Mr. Priestly, I'll take the chance to ask you again.

Couldn't you at least tell us if Origin wil be required FOR THE DEMO?, because the demo is only a few weeks ahead...

Thanks

[Luvinn]

CenturyCrow wrote...

ironman001 wrote...
I have better idea just ban person that doing this, some just can use this as way to close this Topic and we don't want that:innocent:.
PS. That would be unfair to all that just want an answer.

I agree. I'd like it kept open so we get an official answer to all the questions posted.

Seriously. The majority of people are talking about legitimate concerns regarding our being forced to install spyware onto our PC's to play a game. Don't lock this thread because a few people are continually talking about illegal activities. It seems like a cop out to make the issue disappear for a few months until release.

Mykel54 wrote...

Too late, i´ve waited way too long for
bioware to answer this simple question. I´ve cancelled my CE preorder
and moved on to other games. Your lack of communication cost you one
customer bioware. I hope the people that haven´t cancelled yet get their
answer in time to decide, and not the last minute.

I tend to agree for the pre-order aspect. As much as I love the ME games, I refuse to pre-order until I know for a fact that origin is not required in any way, shape or form. I just can't understand the length of time it is taking for an offical reply. The silence is just making me think more and more that it will be required, but because this is a hot button issue right now, they are going to wait until at least after the holidays to reply. I don't want to believe this, but with release less than 3 months away, this has got to be an issue that has already been decided one way or another.

Modifié par Luvinn, 10 décembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[CenturyCrow]

Rompa87 wrote...
Odd that it should take this long to get clarification from EA on this issue? Are they not BW's parent company? Is there no form of speedy communication between the two?

The situation may have been complicated by the community reaction of Origin with BF3 in Germany over the legality of how and what Origin does. There are several previous posts concerning this, including an english translation posted by EA Germany. We don't know if it will have an impact anywhere else besides Germany/Europe. And this is only for the PC version that installs Origin software on your computer. As far as I know, neither console is affected.

www.theorigin.de/wordpress/

www.zdnet.com/blog/london/european-data-protection-law-proposals-revealed/1365

[Travie]

This whole Origin thing is hanging over the release like a huge grey cloud.

I really hope we get some answers soon.

[Gabey5]

yeah enough with piracy talk.

don't kill the thread

[Sweawm]

I am forced to wonder. Since the PC version is moving to Origin, will my saves (Non-Origin) be affected? I'd hate to believe that Bioware would make such a mistake, but if I find that Mass Effect 3 will only accept porting over Saves from their own version of ME1 and 2, then this would cause me to fling Mass Effect 3 out the window.
I expect compatibility of course. To ask those who played Mass Effect on Steam, are the save files different or are they the same as those used in an standard copy of Mass Effect (No DRM)?