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[xCirdanx]

Gabey5 wrote...

yeah enough with piracy talk.

don't kill the thread

yes of course, because it doesn´t go hand in hand with something like origin.

f*ck these double standarts. i´m sick of this crap, and i don´t believe for a second that they have no clue about the use of origin 3 months before release? oh really? bull****. This thread and others have been going on for months and no official word has been heard. And for gods sake, Bioware is now an EA company, if they don´t know it who should? And IF they don´t know it, what kind of company is that?

I don´t expect one now. It´s more likely that we get one VERY shortly before release, gotta keep the pre-orders, they always make good numbers for the share holders.

As i said f*ck this, i canceled my pre-order, no answer is as good as f*ck you customer. And you people out there should remeber this, you are customers, they don´t do YOU a favour with a game (or insert anything else) you do them a favour by buying their product. You pay them.

[whitey4444]

Sweawm wrote...

I am forced to wonder. Since the PC version is moving to Origin, will my saves (Non-Origin) be affected? I'd hate to believe that Bioware would make such a mistake, but if I find that Mass Effect 3 will only accept porting over Saves from their own version of ME1 and 2, then this would cause me to fling Mass Effect 3 out the window.
I expect compatibility of course. To ask those who played Mass Effect on Steam, are the save files different or are they the same as those used in an standard copy of Mass Effect (No DRM)?

While I don't know their plans for ME3 specifically, I would say it's all but a certainty that there will be no problems. ME2 the program and the PC save games are the same regardless of which program was used to validate the ME2 install

Given that, there's no reason to suggest that would be different this time with just the one (confirmed) method of program validation. I doubt they're going to risk the ire of the majority of PC players that wouldn't have played ME2 on origin/EA.

[Metalrocks]

looks like max payne 3 will be the game i will buy instead of ME 3. this also comes out in march. every time i drop by here in hope there will be an answer and still nothing.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I may be too busy playing SW:TOR to worry about ME3

[MarauderESP]

Metalrocks wrote...

looks like max payne 3 will be the game i will buy instead of ME 3. this also comes out in march. every time i drop by here in hope there will be an answer and still nothing.

well i gues ill be joing u on max paine 3 , i was thinking on geting KoA:R too but it has and €A logo attached, i think ill have to put it in the list of BF3,NFSTR,SW:TOR and now KoA:R its a shame...

i have still a very very very very very little hope that ME3 has no origin involved for retail, but is to little....<_<

[N0-Future]

Shinian2 wrote...

I may be too busy playing SW:TOR to worry about ME3

Me too, And we know SW:TOR doesn't require Origin to run...  In fact we found out that it wouldn't require Origin to run months ago.

Modifié par N0-Future, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[CenturyCrow]

While the EA response in Germany looked positive, at least for Germany and Europe, this piece of news may be two steps backwards for everywhere else IF ME 3 gets the same treatment as BF3. I can feel that retail pre-order ME 3 slipping away again.

EA and DICE are standing firm on their decision to keep Battlefield patches within the Origin platform.
Here's a bit of bad news for PC gamers who purchased Battlefield 3 outside EA's Origin digital platform: you won't get patches anywhere else, nor will there be standalone versions. Ever.

www.tomshardware.com/news/Battlefield-3-Australia-Origin-DICE-EA,14224.html

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 10 décembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Cobra5]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If there is ONE more post about piracy, illegal activity, circumventing copy protection or similar I will close this thread down. I know many of you are patiently waiting for answers, but this sort of discussion will NOT be tolerated here. We have been tolerant of all the slights and comments about BioWare and EA here and we're trying to ignore the minor things that pop up BUT one more time and this gets closed until there are actual details provided WHENEVER that may be.

Understand?

Final warning.

You should remove singleplayer access to everyone's games who posted in the thread too. Just to be safe.

[Ryzaki]

CenturyCrow wrote...

While the EA response in Germany looked positive, at least for Germany and Europe, this piece of news may be two steps backwards for everywhere else IF ME 3 gets the same treatment as BF3. I can feel that retail pre-order ME 3 slipping away again.

EA and DICE are standing firm on their decision to keep Battlefield patches within the Origin platform.
Here's a bit of bad news for PC gamers who purchased Battlefield 3 outside EA's Origin digital platform: you won't get patches anywhere else, nor will there be standalone versions. Ever.

www.tomshardware.com/news/Battlefield-3-Australia-Origin-DICE-EA,14224.html

*blinks slowly*

Huh. That's nice.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 décembre 2011 - 09:02 .

[OperativeX]

Chris Priestly wrote...

If there is ONE more post about piracy, illegal activity, circumventing copy protection or similar I will close this thread down. I know many of you are patiently waiting for answers, but this sort of discussion will NOT be tolerated here. We have been tolerant of all the slights and comments about BioWare and EA here and we're trying to ignore the minor things that pop up BUT one more time and this gets closed until there are actual details provided WHENEVER that may be.

Understand?

Final warning.

Good to know you guys are listening in on us. Now all we need is a steady decision.

1) Put ME 3 on Steam and DVD (without Origin install) and potentially get more sales by offering more ways to buy.

2) Make it Origin exclusive and watch fans cancel their pre-orders.

3) Sit and do nothing; give no answer at all... and watch fans grow suspcious THEN cancel their pre-orders.


Bioware team, we WANT to BUY your game.

[Tup3x]

I don't have much against Origin but it's a ram hog compared to Steam and usability wise it's not as fluid. It's the little things that annoy you. However, I'd definitely get the Steam version instead if available.

I hope that people do realize that BF3's Battlelog* thing is totally different to how you launch ME2 or Crysis 2. You don't even have to have Origin open to launch Crysis 2.

*I hate it that it's not integrated in Origin. You have to launch game from browser. Seriously?!?

Modifié par Tup3xi, 10 décembre 2011 - 09:16 .

[ForteSJGR]

Maybe the digital version will just be distributed via Origin and not actually required to run ME3? Long shot but still.

[billy the squid]

CenturyCrow wrote...

While the EA response in Germany looked positive, at least for Germany and Europe, this piece of news may be two steps backwards for everywhere else IF ME 3 gets the same treatment as BF3. I can feel that retail pre-order ME 3 slipping away again.

EA and DICE are standing firm on their decision to keep Battlefield patches within the Origin platform.
Here's a bit of bad news for PC gamers who purchased Battlefield 3 outside EA's Origin digital platform: you won't get patches anywhere else, nor will there be standalone versions. Ever.

www.tomshardware.com/news/Battlefield-3-Australia-Origin-DICE-EA,14224.html

I like the part where it says go to EA's forums and vent.... Ha, oh wow, EA's current forum policy defies logic and remains arbitrary in it's use of bans, so yeah go ahead and complain .. banned... But your game doesn't work...banned. But I payed for it and can't download the patch...banned, Your a bunch of ****.... banned. I'm the gingerbread man.... banned.

Although I never use the EA forums, until this get's sorted I think I'll stay clear of the EA forums unless some trigger happy mod decides to lock it and I'm forced to use EA's customer support.

[Luvinn]

OperativeX wrote...

Good to know you guys are listening in on us. Now all we need is a steady decision.

1) Put ME 3 on Steam and DVD (without Origin install) and potentially get more sales by offering more ways to buy.

2) Make it Origin exclusive and watch fans cancel their pre-orders.

3) Sit and do nothing; give no answer at all... and watch fans grow suspcious THEN cancel their pre-orders.


Bioware team, we WANT to BUY your game.

This is what I'm saying. I love the ME series, and I want to support the company that made it. Ultimately, I'd like to buy it on steam, however with the little hissy fit EA has going on (they actually use the reason that customer service would suffer.....can you believe that?) that may not happen. Don't force us to have to download your spyware for a retail copy of the game on top of it.

Modifié par Luvinn, 10 décembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Eradyn]

Okay, I've been doing more research into Origin. For those, like me, who have no issues with digital distribution platforms but who might have had issues with Origin possibly behaving like spyware, it seems EA might have made certain adjustments. I hesitate to post the URL to the EA thread as the thread was begun by someone recommending sandboxing Origin (and considering recent warnings to the thread, I don't want to risk inadvertently getting it locked). I have the link in my profile, however, to the EA forum's thread. For here, I'll quote a few of the relevant posts.

I downloaded the [sandbox] program to check it out.

The only places Origin went into were the Origin directories and c:/windows, and even then it only looked at the .DLL files (Which would make sense since a missing DLL file can cause problems running certain programs). Those are the only things it checked leaving everything else alone.

Also I did do the same thing with Steam and Steam was actually poking around in my personal settings which Origin did not, just FYI.

It is safe to assume that video is a set up (at the very least heavily filtered) since other programs running at the same time were doing similar things.

In which case I'd say Origin has changed things a lot - I'll test it again tonight. I can safely say the video wasn't set up - I did the same myself, remember.
EDIT: I'm pleased to say you're right about Origin; EA must have changed it. In the previous test it checked only its
own locations, HKCU, HKLM and C:\\Windows. That is a lot more reasonable than the kind of process queries I
was getting before - you are learning, EA.

I'll also test Steam again, see if I'm getting the same as you.
EDIT: Steam only steps outside its own directory to look into C:\\Windows and to check the LocalMachine hive, both
of which are perfectly reasonable.

Both of the above posts are from yesterday and today, so these are very recent tests as to Origin's behavior. I feel more comfortable with using Origin if the above remains true.

For those who still have reservations against Origin, I wish you luck and hope you'll be able to enjoy ME3.

[CenturyCrow]

Eradyn wrote...
Both of the above posts are from yesterday and today, so these are very recent tests as to Origin's behavior. I feel more comfortable with using Origin if the above remains true.

For those who still have reservations against Origin, I wish you luck and hope you'll be able to enjoy ME3.

From the strong community reaction in Germany and with EA's reaction to that, the EULA was quickly edited and I don't doubt Origin has been 'rewired,' from what I've read about it. But while I am still wary of it's potential, that's not the issue for me as a PC player.

Baldur's Gate didn't need Origin. NWN didn't need Origin. ME didn't need Origin. ME 2 didn't need Origin. Dragon Age didn't need Origin. I have several multiplayer and co-op games on the Playstation and the PC and I'm not interested in yet another a multiplayer. I just want to install the game and finish the trilogy as a single player. I did try EA's downloader at one time and immediately got rid of it. Adobe and other megacorporations have tried the same thing.

Is downloading a file so difficult now, that I need to install another program to do it for me? (consider that rhetorical). So who needs Origin? EA needs it. Who wants Origin? EA wants it. I neither need it or want it. I want to pay money for a game, not a parasitic program that has nothing to do with the game. Not interested in Steam either. If I want to chat or socialize, I'll call or visit my friends.

Press a button and EA makes it more difficult and rewrites the EULA.

[Eradyn]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
Both of the above posts are from yesterday and today, so these are very recent tests as to Origin's behavior. I feel more comfortable with using Origin if the above remains true.

For those who still have reservations against Origin, I wish you luck and hope you'll be able to enjoy ME3.

From the strong community reaction in Germany and with EA's reaction to that, the EULA was quickly edited and I don't doubt Origin has been 'rewired,' from what I've read about it. But while I am still wary of it's potential, that's not the issue for me as a PC player.

Baldur's Gate didn't need Origin. NWN didn't need Origin. ME didn't need Origin. ME 2 didn't need Origin. Dragon Age didn't need Origin. I have several multiplayer and co-op games on the Playstation and the PC and I'm not interested in yet another a multiplayer. I just want to install the game and finish the trilogy as a single player. I did try EA's downloader at one time and immediately got rid of it. Adobe and other megacorporations have tried the same thing.

Is downloading a file so difficult now, that I need to install another program to do it for me? (consider that rhetorical). So who needs Origin? EA needs it. Who wants Origin? EA wants it. I neither need it or want it. I want to pay money for a game, not a parasitic program that has nothing to do with the game. Not interested in Steam either. If I want to chat or socialize, I'll call or visit my friends.

Press a button and EA makes it more difficult and rewrites the EULA.

I definitely understand your sentiment and agree with it to a degree; single player, physical retail copies shouldn't need it I would like to think.  I understand why EA's going down this path, but I feel they are mishandling it and it's created a lot of (justifiable, in many cases) blowback for them.  I only hope EA will not repeat their mistakes with Origin and go back on the changes they've made.  Valve wised up and improved Steam (which was atrocious at its launch) and have kept it pretty clean.  I hope EA can do the same.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

CenturyCrow wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
Both of the above posts are from yesterday and today, so these are very recent tests as to Origin's behavior. I feel more comfortable with using Origin if the above remains true.

For those who still have reservations against Origin, I wish you luck and hope you'll be able to enjoy ME3.

From the strong community reaction in Germany and with EA's reaction to that, the EULA was quickly edited and I don't doubt Origin has been 'rewired,' from what I've read about it. But while I am still wary of it's potential, that's not the issue for me as a PC player.

Baldur's Gate didn't need Origin. NWN didn't need Origin. ME didn't need Origin. ME 2 didn't need Origin. Dragon Age didn't need Origin. I have several multiplayer and co-op games on the Playstation and the PC and I'm not interested in yet another a multiplayer. I just want to install the game and finish the trilogy as a single player. I did try EA's downloader at one time and immediately got rid of it. Adobe and other megacorporations have tried the same thing.

Is downloading a file so difficult now, that I need to install another program to do it for me? (consider that rhetorical). So who needs Origin? EA needs it. Who wants Origin? EA wants it. I neither need it or want it. I want to pay money for a game, not a parasitic program that has nothing to do with the game. Not interested in Steam either. If I want to chat or socialize, I'll call or visit my friends.

Press a button and EA makes it more difficult and rewrites the EULA.

Very well put, and yes, rewriting the EULA, doesn't solve anything if they still submit said atrocities...athough if we could prove concept legal action could be done directly to them.

[Ghost-621]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

CenturyCrow wrote...

Eradyn wrote...
Both of the above posts are from yesterday and today, so these are very recent tests as to Origin's behavior. I feel more comfortable with using Origin if the above remains true.

For those who still have reservations against Origin, I wish you luck and hope you'll be able to enjoy ME3.

From the strong community reaction in Germany and with EA's reaction to that, the EULA was quickly edited and I don't doubt Origin has been 'rewired,' from what I've read about it. But while I am still wary of it's potential, that's not the issue for me as a PC player.

Baldur's Gate didn't need Origin. NWN didn't need Origin. ME didn't need Origin. ME 2 didn't need Origin. Dragon Age didn't need Origin. I have several multiplayer and co-op games on the Playstation and the PC and I'm not interested in yet another a multiplayer. I just want to install the game and finish the trilogy as a single player. I did try EA's downloader at one time and immediately got rid of it. Adobe and other megacorporations have tried the same thing.

Is downloading a file so difficult now, that I need to install another program to do it for me? (consider that rhetorical). So who needs Origin? EA needs it. Who wants Origin? EA wants it. I neither need it or want it. I want to pay money for a game, not a parasitic program that has nothing to do with the game. Not interested in Steam either. If I want to chat or socialize, I'll call or visit my friends.

Press a button and EA makes it more difficult and rewrites the EULA.

Very well put, and yes, rewriting the EULA, doesn't solve anything if they still submit said atrocities...athough if we could prove concept legal action could be done directly to them.

People, OPEN. YOUR. EYES. EA IS THE PARASITE. NOT ORIGIN. ORIGIN IS ONLY THE TEETH SINKING INTO YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM.

To those of you in Bioware who know and feel that the company has taken a turn for the worst, or if it just isn't the same (worse off), I know you're in there. I know you can't say anything because EA has a noose around your neck, but you are not unknown. The greatest thing any one of you could possibly do, is to come forward and be vocal. Let us know if this parasite is out for more blood.

Well, that was fun, I will see you in three days after my ban. It will be worth it knowing that those peeps in Bioware who feel this way know that they aren't forgotten.

[Killitngrillit]

I still don't understand why people flip **** when they see/hear that Origin sifts through your files. I'll say again, nearly every programme on your computer that you can use to buy things does that. Apple, Origin, even Steam and Microsoft. Also did you know people can track your cellphone/iphone? See, it's not a huge deal.

my beef with Origin, is that it's come with too little, too late. Steam is now the PC gamers best buddy. It does everything Origin can do, do it better, and has more features, better sales, easier UI. EA is just forcing us to use their programme, like BF3, purely so they can throw their marketing in our face. Wanna know how I know that? Modders have developed a program to run BF3 outside of Origin, without having to open it.

[Lumikki]

Killitngrillit wrote...

I still don't understand why people flip **** when they see/hear that Origin sifts through your files. I'll say again, nearly every programme on your computer that you can use to buy things does that. Apple, Origin, even Steam and Microsoft. Also did you know people can track your cellphone/iphone? See, it's not a huge deal.

my beef with Origin, is that it's come with too little, too late. Steam is now the PC gamers best buddy. It does everything Origin can do, do it better, and has more features, better sales, easier UI. EA is just forcing us to use their programme, like BF3, purely so they can throw their marketing in our face. Wanna know how I know that? Modders have developed a program to run BF3 outside of Origin, without having to open it.

It's the different have softwares what TRYES to go outside of your computer (internet). You can block them off with firewall. Than intentionally install progam in you computer what is design to be spyware. You can't block it off, because if you do, you can't play the game.

If you can't understand why someone cares they privacy, that's your personal issue. If you don't care about your privacy that's your personal choice. We all should have freedom to make our own choices. How ever, I consider personal privacy in computers a lot more important than ability play computer games. So, if I have to chooce, I will allways chooce the privacy, there isn't even choice in the matter for me. Ability chooce something is everyones civil rights, but Origin client doesn't give us that choice. Origin client is forcing the choice what company has made. If you own choice is same as EA's, then you are fine by it, but if it's not, you can't play games. Where is our personal freedom to make our own choices?

Also why it's so hard for EA answer their customers conserns, what is asked in this thread?

Modifié par Lumikki, 11 décembre 2011 - 08:37 .

[Tup3x]

Well... What info Origin collects that others for not? What for you fear? I for not quite get it. Some people are acting paranoid without any real reason. And besides, if it works like with Crysis 2 for example you for not even have it have Origin running. BF3 is different story since it uses Battlelog.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 11 décembre 2011 - 09:54 .

[MarauderESP]

Tup3xi wrote...

Well... What info Origin collects that others for not? What for you fear? I for not quite get it. Some people are acting paranoid without any real reason. And besides, if it works like with Crysis 2 for example you for not even have it have Origin running. BF3 is different story since it uses Battlelog.

wow i remember using the rest of BF series without battlelog....... and run just fine, i also rebember downloading a patch for bf series and instaling it with 3 clicks and it was easy and perfect, i dont need that services and i have to use it becouse a company want its spyware on my pc, o hell no i dont need that kind of services, that things need to be voluntary not mandatory, but i asume that u can´t see that
hey  give me the keys of your house, whats the fear? ill only look around a bit, come on....

[Sethan_1]

EA wants Origin on your machine because they believe it will make them more money somehow, either directly or indirectly. Frankly I'd rather pay $10 or $20 more to get the game without it, if that is the sticking point.

As it is, if Origin is required, I'll pay half the retail price (or less) when the game goes on sale in six months or a year, and get a crack to avoid Origin anyway. Yeah, I don't get to play the game as soon as it comes out. I'll deal. Its a game. ...and EA gets a lot less of my money. Everyone loses.

[Xeranx]

Sethan_1 wrote...

EA wants Origin on your machine because they believe it will make them more money somehow, either directly or indirectly. Frankly I'd rather pay $10 or $20 more to get the game without it, if that is the sticking point.

As it is, if Origin is required, I'll pay half the retail price (or less) when the game goes on sale in six months or a year, and get a crack to avoid Origin anyway. Yeah, I don't get to play the game as soon as it comes out. I'll deal. Its a game. ...and EA gets a lot less of my money. Everyone loses.

I actually think you stand to gain more than EA on this deal.  You may get the game and all the DLC that comes out by the time you buy for about the same price as someone spent on the game on day 1.  In that sense, it's actually more economical for you.  I'm actually thinking maybe it'll be a good thing for ME3 to come with Origin.