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[Sethan_1]

Xeranx wrote...
I actually think you stand to gain more than
EA on this deal.  You may get the game and all the DLC that comes out by
the time you buy for about the same price as someone spent on the game
on day 1.  In that sense, it's actually more economical for you.  I'm
actually thinking maybe it'll be a good thing for ME3 to come with
Origin.

Well sure - in a monetary sense, I come out way ahead. Thing is, given the opportunity to get the game legitimately without Origin, I'd happily pony up for a pre-order of CE and buy the DLC as it comes out. The money is more important to EA than it is to me - so in that sense, we all lose.

Modifié par Sethan_1, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:00 .

[Lumikki]

Tup3xi wrote...

Well... What info Origin collects that others for not? What for you fear? I for not quite get it. Some people are acting paranoid without any real reason. And besides, if it works like with Crysis 2 for example you for not even have it have Origin running. BF3 is different story since it uses Battlelog.

Example ME2 also collects data about you playing, but there was also option to say no to it. Origin client doesn't give you any option at all. You have to use it if you want to play ME3 and it will collect data. No choice in matter at all.

It's not about having fears, it's about defending our civil rights agaist company what is breaking LAWS. It's about freedom of choices what is guaranteed to us by LAWS.

Why you even think that this has anything to do with fears or hiding? This is about that it's our private property and we who owns that private property should have choice who can access it and how. It's same that people can't come inside your home without your permission. Same here with computers. It's the owners choice, not the outsiders.

As person I have LAWFUL right to say NO and I don't have to justify it to anyone why I say NO. Just because some people here doens't understand why anyone would say NO, doesn't still mean that people haven't rights to say NO or YES as their choice. It's personal choice what everyone should be able to make by them self.

That's what we do here, we defend our lawful rights to choose.

Modifié par Lumikki, 11 décembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[Tup3x]

MarauderESP wrote...

Tup3xi wrote...

Well... What info Origin collects that others for not? What for you fear? I for not quite get it. Some people are acting paranoid without any real reason. And besides, if it works like with Crysis 2 for example you for not even have it have Origin running. BF3 is different story since it uses Battlelog.

wow i remember using the rest of BF series without battlelog....... and run just fine, i also rebember downloading a patch for bf series and instaling it with 3 clicks and it was easy and perfect, i dont need that services and i have to use it becouse a company want its spyware on my pc, o hell no i dont need that kind of services, that things need to be voluntary not mandatory, but i asume that u can´t see that
hey  give me the keys of your house, whats the fear? ill only look around a bit, come on....

The point is that Battlelog isn't exactly in Origin and that makes me angry. I have to launch effin' browser if I want to launch the game, I'm not a fan but it's hardly Origin's fault. They did not integrate it into Origin properly.

When you are installing Origin, you aren't giving keys to your own house. I've read the EULA, I'm pretty much fine with what they collect. Sure, I'd prefer a tick box that disables it all together. However, I don't see any difference between Steam and this when it comes to personal privacy. I assume you people are against that too then?

I'd much rather use service than keep swapping disks or allow secrom (which I sometimes have to, but when there's option not to it take that option. Example: Steam version of Mass Effect 2 and 1).

Modifié par Tup3xi, 11 décembre 2011 - 12:34 .

[Alex_SM]

Steam doesn't collect anything unless you go to the hardware/software survey page to explicitly tell it to collect data. That's a big difference. I don't care about what information it collects, if it is done without my explicit consent then it's wrong.

Now it seems that Origin behaves better, ok, seems that the pressure worked. But still there's a problem: What does it offer to the user? Nothing. For all of us it's bad business.

[anzolino]

Tup3xi, a lot of people here don't have Steam or using it. For this people (including me) it is a huge difference to be forced to use a program what they not really need to play.

Lumikki wrote...
That's what we do here, we defend our lawful rights to choose.

Right, that is what we do.

In addition to this we want to inform about our growing suspisciousness regarding EA and Origin. Isn't easy to trust this kind of recent EA behaviour, especially in Europe and Germany: from "getting and sharing all data" to "oh no, we don't do it, we just want you to have fun". But the option for any changes at any times still exists. How do I know the client would not gather and send my data some day? I always have to check it out and I don't want this! I want to play.
I understand the EA view of digital future but forcing people can be high in price. So, it's time to make it voluntary at least for the retail versions.

[billy the squid]

Tup3xi wrote...

The point is that Battlelog isn't exactly in Origin and that makes me angry. I have to launch effin' browser if I want to launch the game, I'm not a fan but it's hardly Origin's fault. They did not integrate it into Origin properly.

When you are installing Origin, you aren't giving keys to your own house. I've read the EULA, I'm pretty much fine with what they collect. Sure, I'd prefer a tick box that disables it all together. However, I don't see any difference between Steam and this when it comes to personal privacy. I assume you people are against that too then?

I'd much rather use service than keep swapping disks or allow secrom (which I sometimes have to, but when there's option not to it take that option. Example: Steam version of Mass Effect 2 and 1).

Then it is a lesson to be learned, don't release a badly designed component of the game paticularly when it is central to the IP in question, as such Origin catches the flak by being tainted by association.

That's a daft analogy. There's bacteria on the floor and bacteria on my hands therefore it's okay to lick the floor?No, it is a matter of fact and degree and what I am willing to put up with. Prima facie it looks as though EA has updated the scanning proceedures of Origin, so that goes a long way to correcting the issues that it had in the first place. Steam had the same issue when it was first released, but it modified the client, EA has done the samething with Origin, why it didn't learn from the mistake that its largest competitor made I don't know.

If Origin can provide a similar service to steam, then they certainly have the ability to compete, but if you ban users games for arbitrary reasons because of the acts on the forums, which steam doesn't, overt scanning, nebulous EULAs even to those of us who have dealt with them multiple times and unanswered questions on how Origin functions on authentification then there are some major question marks over why I would choose this client over another. Fix that and then we'll see as to what Origin can provide as a service.

[MarauderESP]

i dont use steam or buy games that need it, its a shame but its the way they took, the eulas is a joke that they change from day to day to please ppl, like anzolino said the went from "were are gone to sell your data" to "well collect some data and pass to partenrs for marketing" to "we will never do that.." o come on i can thrust a company that do that... nothing that both plattaform offers are need (at least for me) to play the game, they should do things right a mandatory 3º program (that i dont need) to play a game is a bad deal, just like having to be conected to internet to play a game.... its becoming a pain to play a game for the ppl who actually buy the game...

[Tup3x]

MarauderESP wrote...

i dont use steam or buy games that need it, its a shame but its the way they took, the eulas is a joke that they change from day to day to please ppl, like anzolino said the went from "were are gone to sell your data" to "well collect some data and pass to partenrs for marketing" to "we will never do that.." o come on i can thrust a company that do that... nothing that both plattaform offers are need (at least for me) to play the game, they should do things right a mandatory 3º program (that i dont need) to play a game is a bad deal, just like having to be conected to internet to play a game.... its becoming a pain to play a game for the ppl who actually buy the game...

The fact that you have retail ME2 installed means that you allowed SecuRom in your system which is by far more intrusive than Origin or Steam by design. I'd rather install Steam or Origin that SecuRom.

Also, you don't have to be connected to the internet to play Steam or Origin games. Battlefield 3 is online game with tutorial (=single player) and in offline mode it launches directly into single player bypassing Battlelog (which is needed for multilayer only).

Modifié par Tup3xi, 11 décembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[MarauderESP]

Tup3xi wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...
*snip...

You don't have to be connected to the internet to play Steam or Origin games. What is this nonsense about having to be connected to internet? Battlefield 3 is online game with tutorial (=single player) and in offline mode it launches directly into single player bypassing Battlelog (which is needed for multilayer only). Seriously, do some research.

The fact that you have retail ME2 installed means that you allowed SecuRom in your system which is by far more intrusive than Origin or Steam by design.

i was alluding ubisoft drm system , oh i know how to handle SecuRom and im fine with it, even that mees that €A did with spore:sick:

[The King of Dust]

Tup3xi wrote...

The fact that you have retail ME2 installed means that you allowed SecuRom in your system which is by far more intrusive than Origin or Steam by design. I'd rather install Steam or Origin that SecuRom.

ME2 doesn't have SecuRom. The retail version of ME1 does.

[VR Anade Alow]

Ill tell you what it offers broken code that doesn't work and tech support that haven't got a clue how to fix it fact is after 3 months ea still haven't got their experimental platform working and if mass effect 3 requires origin i wont be able to play it.

[MarauderESP]

VR Anade Alow wrote...

Ill tell you what it offers broken code that doesn't work and tech support that haven't got a clue how to fix it fact is after 3 months ea still haven't got their experimental platform working and if mass effect 3 requires origin i wont be able to play it.

uff you have my sympaties man, only hope u didnt spent to much if u buy anything....
theres also a image from a few pages back on how the tech support works

[NOD-INFORMER37]

This is why I personally prefer consoles.

All systems are great though, just sayin'. =P

[whitey4444]

I do have a question of sorts to add to the pile, but it is nowhere near as important as others.

Will bioware points have to be bought through the origin software, or will we still be able to buy them off this website?

[lucidfox]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

This is why I personally prefer consoles.

Console licensing is even worse.

[Lumikki]

When we get the answers about ME3 and Origin client?

[MarauderESP]

release -1 day ...... i think..... or maybe -59 minutes.....

[Badak531]

You know every time I read EA's claim that origin is used to provide better customer service it reminds me of this, go ahead and start at 0:44.

[MarauderESP]

Badak531 wrote...

You know every time I read EA's claim that origin is used to provide better customer service it reminds me of this, go ahead and start at 0:44.

:happy::D

rolf

[Metalrocks]

Badak531 wrote...

You know every time I read EA's claim that origin is used to provide better customer service it reminds me of this, go ahead and start at 0:44.

lol, thats a good one
thats what €A pretty much does. i never got any help from them either when i asked for help. so i felt pretty much like that. 

[CenturyCrow]

Suggest we tone down the EA bashing so we can keep this topic open. Unfortunately, EA policy makers don't read this forum, just the BioWare moderators who aren't policy makers.

Just post questions about Origin and any links (good or bad) concerning Origin because it's worthwhile keeping track until we know.

Personally, I don't have much hope that PC users will escape it directly; possibly there's an chance for those not interested in co-op play may use it once and uninstall it. BUT, maybe there will be a way to cope with Origin, sandbox it, legally circumvent it or news about it from other countries that's of interest to many.

Thanks.

Sidenote: Old science fiction novel by John Brunner, "The Shockwave Rider," 1975, has service called "Hearing Aid." An anonymous telephone confession service -- a safe place to rant. It also covers networks, hacking and worms. No direct mention of biotics though, but a company not unlike Cerberus.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 12 décembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Luvinn]

If origin is sticking to its own folder now, that is a step in the right direction. I can understand EA wanting their own digital distribution platform, but all the problems people are having are really giving me reservations. I hear people are still unable to use battlefield 3 because of the bug ridden mess that is origin. I don't want to be forced to install this and have problems for weeks/months when steam works just fine.

Modifié par Luvinn, 12 décembre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Wardka]

Well, the only reason it was mandatory for BF3 was because BF3 was a very hyped game, and they wanted to push the Origin platform onto as many people as possible in one big swoop. It gives us customers nothing of value - and even if the privacy issues get sorted out, all it does is eat computer resources while offering nothing in return. I don't want it on my system.

[Luvinn]

Oh, I completely agree that origin is completely unnecessary and gives PC gamers no incentive to install it when the vast majority have a huge library of games on steam already. Not to mention all the great indie titles and huge sales on steam. Unfortunately if they are going to forced this software down our throats and give us no other options, then I will be done with EA games on the PC. I do hope that this isn't the case though.

On a side note, it's been quite a few days since we had people looking into this issue. Is there any update on this? I really can't believe that no one has a clue on this issue so close to release. Just makes me prepared for bad news.

[N0-Future]

Origin has lost any credibility because of what it does/did, I don't care how they refine the program at this point, its too little too late IMHO. Origin will not go anywhere near my system and if that means I miss out on ME3 so be it.

Modifié par N0-Future, 12 décembre 2011 - 04:58 .