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[N0-Future]

Well they have released news of SP / MP demo coming out, But still no Fu*king news on Origin.







*Edited spelling*

Modifié par N0-Future, 22 octobre 2011 - 09:49 .

[sissysouthpaw]

N0-Future wrote...

Well they have released news of SR / MP demo coming out, But still no Fu*king news on Origin.

It's like they're luring us in. "Come over, we have cookies. And cake. AND FREE STUFF. Just sign this paper. Ignore the small print! It's nothing sinister, I swear! Cooookiesssss"

[Candidate 88766]

In August EA removed the stuff from the ToS that allowed them to collect data from your computer, so really Origin isn't that bad anymore.

[Aeowyn]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

In August EA removed the stuff from the ToS that allowed them to collect data from your computer, so really Origin isn't that bad anymore.

Afaik they only removed the part where they would have the right to sell their collected data to third parties. The collecting and storing is still there I believe.

[N0-Future]

All EA has done is made their ToS more ambiguous, Origin will still rummage through your PC software and hardware. And they will still send it to third parties but the info they sell will now be anonymus and lacking any info specific to identifing your computer. But that doesn't mean that said info wont be kept on EA servers.

We all know just how secure cmpany servers are, dont we?

Modifié par N0-Future, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:31 .

[BounceDK]

N0-Future wrote...

All EA has done is made their ToS more ambiguous, Origin will still rummage through your PC software and hardware. And they will still send it to third parties but the info they sell will now be anonymus and lacking any info specific to identifing your computer. But that doesn't mean that said info wont be kept on EA servers.

We all know just how secure cmpany servers are, dont we?

You just described every single dd service that use a client and not just Origin.

Modifié par BounceDK, 21 octobre 2011 - 01:50 .

[MarauderESP]

BounceDK wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

All EA has done is made their ToS more ambiguous, Origin will still rummage through your PC software and hardware. And they will still send it to third parties but the info they sell will now be anonymus and lacking any info specific to identifing your computer. But that doesn't mean that said info wont be kept on EA servers.

We all know just how secure cmpany servers are, dont we?

You just described every single dd service that use a client and not just Origin.

that is why i dont use any...

lets be realistic they want my info who knows why, so ill buy the game for 60€, ill sell them the info nonrelated to the game for 80€ (like installed or uninstalled programs , scan folder tree , what lvl of scurity i have on my ie (i use firefox anyway) , internet history), this is a bussiness so i want my share too, or they can just don´t force their spyware on my system and ill still buy the game.... fair no? <_<

[N0-Future]

yep Im willing to let them scan my hardware / software on my system as long as I can do the same to there system. " quid pro quo " Fair ?

[Blazenor]

No, you don't need an account.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Bioware is one of the top developers in the history of video games. I would rank them right up there with Nintendo.

(Nerd rage all you want PC gamers. Not many developers can compete with the in house Nintendo offerings for just downright --Great--Fun games. Legend of Zelda OoT anyone?)

People can say that Bioware has went away from pure RPG game development. People can say that they abandoned their core fans.

But despite one little hiccup (DA 2) people can not honestly say that Bioware doesn't make great games. Forget the genre. It's all about the story and choices and Bioware doesn't disappoint. They may have had a little hiccup (And even their hiccup is better than most developers best efforts) recently but overall they kick major butt.

I didn't type all of that to kiss any rears. It's a statement of fact and we all wouldn't be on the forums here if that wasn't the case.

I've played a lot of video games over the years and Bioware is the only developer that has a forum that I signed up and joined for reasons other than tech support. (Besides a couple of Neverwinter Nights player world forums....which kind of in a strange way amounts to the same thing as a Bioware sub board maybe but......meh)

The point being is that I love Bioware games and want to buy them. I want to play them on the very best hardware. My PC.

But Origin comes along and I see a lot with it I do not agree with. The EULA say's basically if you don't like it GTFO.
Fine. Plenty of EULA's say that.

But this one keeps me from playing Bioware games. It's not just me saying no to Origin it's making me say no to Bioware games as well.

And I don't want to say no.

I want to say "Yes! Yes! More games like this please and thank you!"

The question was asked and repeated on this forum of "Will Origin be required" and Bioware didn't bother to respond on the forum for all to see. Why I don't know.

But I guess the question I have now is "Why?"

Why try to force us to use a client that is in no way necessary and that in some of our cases seems to be akin to the Death Star of privacy.

Why Bioware? I want to buy your games. I want to support you.

Why?

I have to say that the total silence on the matter is worse than GTFO.

You don't owe me anything. You made great games I bought them and loved them and that's it. ****** for tat and all that.

It's not like you have to answer any questions. A couple of million people will buy ME3 regardless.

What's the comparatively few that have issues with Origin compared to that?

But, man, I'd really love to know "Why?"

There are no "Evil EA Overlords" forcing this. We know this because we have been told "Ea and and Bioware are one and the same."

Why did you make this decision? DRM? You just really love and embrace the Origin client? You feel that it is neccesary for PC games for some reason?

Why?

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 21 octobre 2011 - 09:31 .

[N0-Future]

I agree,

Well said mate...

Modifié par N0-Future, 21 octobre 2011 - 05:38 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Well said, indeed!

[MarauderESP]

i agree +1

[Wittand25]

N0-Future wrote...

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

I think this speaks volumes...

PS I copied this of EA website.

No you only need to tell us out of witch EULA you quoted this. The EULA for DA:O, ME2, DA2 ?
They all require the consent to collect data for installing the game. 

[aridor1570]

They can't really say anything until EA gives them a greenlight about it, and as it seems, they did and now they're making a F.A.Q about it, my suspicions are that you'll at the very least need an origin account to activate the game and attach it to your account, while you'll need origin online to play the MP portion of the game.

[N0-Future]

Wittand25 wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA's Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with terms of EA's Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control."

I think this speaks volumes...

PS I copied this of EA website.

No you only need to tell us out of witch EULA you quoted this. The EULA for DA:O, ME2, DA2 ?
They all require the consent to collect data for installing the game. 

Its the ToS for Origin.

[anzolino]

aridor1570 wrote...
They can't really say anything until EA gives them a greenlight about it, and as it seems, they did and now they're making a F.A.Q about it...

They can say it! At least some sort of: "Yeah, boys and girls, is not our decision... wait until march... we don't know yet... is not our business... blah blah..." But they don't. They simply ignore!
And as I know, they didn't answer the question in the FAQ. bogsnot did (because of the ME3 EULA on the EA site).

Nathander Von Eric wrote...
There are no "Evil EA Overlords" forcing this. We know this because we have been told "Ea and and Bioware are one and the same."

Yes, and we read the statement of Bioware "EA doesn't tell us what to do". Unfortunately nobody is at our "WHY?" interested. Not surprising at EA but at Bioware?
I also agree to Nathander.

[Bogsnot1]

anzolino wrote...
And as I know, they didn't answer the question in the FAQ. bogsnot did (because of the ME3 EULA on the EA site).

I didnt so much as answer the question, but just posted the findings from N0-Future's post on the second page of this thread. Will update the FAQ so credit will go where its due for finding it.

[raz3r]

It's not a big deal, I mean with or without Origin I will buy the game anyway. The program is still in beta but worked just fine with Battlefield 3 Beta. I am sad because I wanted to buy the game on Steam but again, not a big deal.

[whitey4444]

One scary thought that occurred to me last night was that with DLC presumably being sold through Origin, it might come with the extra special "!@#$ you UK/Europe/Australia" tax. The one great thing about buying it from the bioware website was that it was the same price worldwide (I assume), but given that origin is already giving us special region prices I hold big concerns.

So another question to add to the pile of origin questions which will probably not be answered.

[whitey4444]

Oh wait, just checked the origin store, and what a surprise.

800 Bioware points:
US - $10
Australia - $13

It's not even sold in stores for crying out loud. While I don't accept the reasons offered for full games, I can accept them given distributor/retail pressure. But why the different price for material that is only available online, where there are no distributors and stores to compete with?

If it stays this way, on principle alone I won't be buying the game. Enough is enough. I did the same with Fallout New Vegas, and Call of Duty, and it will be the same here.

[Bogsnot1]

@whitey: The minister for the NSW Department of Fair Trading (Anthony Roberts) is now openly questioning Apple's reasoning behind its "Australia Tax", although its a bit late for him to join the fray given the sinking dollar.
Federal Labor MP Ed Husic was putting forth the same questions back in March, although the Apple apologists and fanbois came out in force to attack him over it.

More government ministers and departments are looking into this now as a result, as they now realise that us aussies are tech savvy, and unless they want us to direct import (and thus avoid paying taxes), they had best do their jobs and make sure that aussies arent getting raped, pillaged and plundered by overseas companies who want to treat us as their b1tches.

When companies start introducing pricing policies tat deal the quite obvious "fkyou" to their customers like this, you have to start to wonder why they then complain so loudly about piracy.
It doesnt take a rocket surgeon to work out that fair pricing equals more buyers.

[Shepard the Leper]

whitey4444 wrote...

Oh wait, just checked the origin store, and what a surprise.

800 Bioware points:
US - $10
Australia - $13

It's not even sold in stores for crying out loud. While I don't accept the reasons offered for full games, I can accept them given distributor/retail pressure. But why the different price for material that is only available online, where there are no distributors and stores to compete with?

If it stays this way, on principle alone I won't be buying the game. Enough is enough. I did the same with Fallout New Vegas, and Call of Duty, and it will be the same here.

That's why I buy my games @ GOG.com :

You buy it, you keep it.

Don't let your DRMs turn into nightmares (clever, no?). You won't find any intrusive copy protection in our games; we hate draconian DRM schemes just as much as you do, so at GOG.com you don't just buy the game, you actually own it. Once you download a game, you can install it on any PC and re-download it whenever you want, as many times as you need, and you can play it without an internet connection.

Same game, same price, no matter where you're from!

We believe that all gamers around the world should be treated equally. Therefore GOG.com is available to everyone, everywhere, and we offer the same prices to gamers from all countries. Getting the worldwide rights to the games takes some extra effort on our part, but we think it's worth the reward of opening up our site to the world.

Unfortunately, companies like EA prefer to spit their customers in their faces instead. It's unlikely future EA games will be available through GOG because EA doesn't want competition, they like blackmailing above anything else

[whitey4444]

@Shepard Leper

I tend to buy hard copies from the UK to try and save my limited download cap.

But I don't think GOG will be selling the DLC (let alone ME3), my guess is only Origin will. And Origin will probably be required for all ME3 installs, regardless of where it's bought. The selling of DLC is one of the main reason for the Steam/EA fight if I remember right, Steam require that all DLC be sold through them as well, which is irking quite a few publishers.

Let me stress I'm not against EA running a program such as Origin. Given the size of the company in the video game field, and the relative monopoly that steam holds, it makes business sense to start one up. But to succeed it has to be beneficial for the consumers as well, and I see the regional pricing on what is effectively a monopoly (bioware points/DLC purchases) as poor short and long term business strategy. It will only increase antagonism against their brand, which won't help them considering how Valve and EA are perceived presently in the PC gaming community. I don't necessarily agree with those perceptions (Valve benefit as much as anybody else from regional pricing, they get a flat cut of the sale price), but that's what they are.

[Nathander Von Eric]

I don't see anything wrong with EA having their own store and client. Competition is a good thing!

Not everything about Origin is bad and, in fact, some of it's features are pretty cool. It could be a good game client.

I just value my privacy a lot more than EA seems to.

If they change that I'll sign up.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 24 octobre 2011 - 04:37 .