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[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

FERMi27 wrote...

@Feanor_II, yeah well, I don't care what Origin scans in my computer, I have nothing to hide.

Let's say you buy a Maytag appliance, and the appliance comes with a document you must sign to take it home and install it.  It says that you must give Maytag a key to your house and permission to stop by and look around whenever they feel like it, go through your mail and your paperwork, see what which other appliaces you have, what you do with them, etc. 

Are you OK with that?  After all, you "have nothing to hide", right?

This made me lol. 

Good analogy, and not far from the truth.

Like you guys, I'm unlikely to buy this game at launch, I'll wait before it comes to Steam....or some other digital distributor which isn't being forced upon me. Aka any way to play W/O Origin client....even if this involves buying the game and using some work around to avoid Origin.

[charmingcharlie]

FERMi27 wrote...
@charmingcharlie, so, now I'm a troll because I judge this topic? Yes, I talk straight, but if you call that trolling... You must think that, probably, all politicians, show-people, journalists etc. are trolls. I mean any person who speaks what he thinks, avoiding to be excesivelly official.

You obviously have a distaste for this subject yet for some reason you persist in coming in here and berating people that are posting and on top of that you try to undermine the topic by dismissing it as "crap".  So yeah I would say that gives you trollish leanings.

I don't know about you but I usually avoid things I find "crap" .  I use the same philosophy on the forums, if I find a subject "crap" then I leave it well alone.

FERMi27 wrote...
Back on topic. I think you're smart enough to realize that Bioware, arguing with her "boss" about the correctitude of the marketing strategies, and sane thinking, are two things that mutually exclude each other.

I said nothing about Bioware "arguing" with their boss.  I merely stated that this is a useful mechanism for people to give their thoughts on Origin and it's usage in Mass Effect 3.  Now Bioware can see this feedback and take it back to their "bosses" .

[mcneil_1]

 I just get the weird feeling that  if we get a reply from Bioware that (if (and I really hope its not)) Origin is required it will be the same type of response as we got from the Securom announcement for ME1 "we have used securom before in other games of ours"

[N0-Future]

I think the silence coming from EA / Bioware about Origin speaks volumes,

[Lumikki]

alex90c wrote...

Well it seems you've already got Dragon Age: Origins, so what's the problem?

I have more than one computer. I have this account because registration and forum. I respect Bioware and show here that I have legal copy of the games. How ever, my game computer doesn't have internet connection. So, this account is useless for my games.

According to Origin client wiki, software can be unistalled without affecting game it self. Link

Wiki ...

Users can allegedly uninstall the client and the game will still run fine.

Point been while it could be maybe forced installation, you can uninstal it too. Also sometimes when there is multible installation when you cancel the software installation, it only cancel that current software, not all installation of softwares, so it's not allways forced. Of course EULA has to have rules for software what is meaned to be installed with game.

I would never even buy game what has spyware with them. This isn't about do I or someone has somehting to hide. This is about companies respecting every peoples privacy. My computer is mine and what's in it, is mine only. That information isn't for others.

No-Future wrote...

Ye but whose got to money to take EA to court if they lie, I mean big businesses never get caught out acting unethicaly do they? And once you have installed Origin it has already scanned your system, its too late to shut it down after it has sent your info off.

I allways when I install any softwares in any of my PC. I disable my ethernet (internet) connection. This is there to prevent any installed software to make internet connections. Most softwares try to connect out while installed or first start, but it's very easy to prevent.

Modifié par Lumikki, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:17 .

[marstor05]

Why not just install the Origin Client, verify the game, then have your Anti Virus & Firewalls block all access to your PC by Origin? Wouldnt that work?

[Lumikki]

marstor05 wrote...

Why not just install the Origin Client, verify the game, then have your Anti Virus & Firewalls block all access to your PC by Origin? Wouldnt that work?

It would work if the game does the verification and not the Origin client. How ever, when you allow any software to make any connection out, you don't know what information is passed. Meaning you computer security and privacy could been allready broken by the first verify connection. It's about trust,  that game company does only what's expected.

How ever, companies don't most the time do that, but do stuff behind your back. They sometimes cover they ass by putting some info what they do in Eula, for legal cover. Problem is that profit is more important for companies than respecting peoples privacy. Can you self keep your curiosity in check, if you have access to something what you should not have, but could benefit you. It's not so easy, when the information is worth of money. Companies sometimes use the info just to improve they own product. But some companies even sell privicy information for companies who use it for improving advertising. It's about profiling customers for more direct marketing.

Today: information = money

Modifié par Lumikki, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:38 .

[MartinDN]

marstor05 wrote...

Why not just install the Origin Client, verify the game, then have your Anti Virus & Firewalls block all access to your PC by Origin? Wouldnt that work?

Depends if its scanning all the time, or only when you play, if its right from the get go then no as youve already given it access by accepting the eula, until you block it, if you block it before you run the game it will most likeley ask that you unblock it and give it admin rights, EA isnt stupid.

Modifié par MartinDN, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:35 .

[N0-Future]

In order to activate your game in this case ME3 you have to install Origin and log on to the Origin website in order to play your game. You are given two choices Intstall or Exit. You are not given a choice in the matter if you want to play their game, at least thats how it work for BF3.

[mr_killer]

[anzolino]

That wouldn't work for the MP or if you download DLCs. I don't know how they check the DLCs (on game start perhaps?). I think if you can play completly offline the Origin client wouldn't make sense and so I think they will changed the possibility to play without connection on game start. This option is maybe a part of the beta? I don't know. I don't trust this, especially if I read that the account will be locked after a year without using. But this could happen by playing offline.

[Lumikki]

N0-Future wrote...

In order to activate your game in this case ME3 you have to install Origin and log on to the Origin website in order to play your game. You are given two choices Intstall or Exit. You are not given a choice in the matter if you want to play their game, at least thats how it work for BF3.

That's really big issue as I WILL NEVER login in origin account. So, what you say, there is no point of buying the game at all. Origin is they online business, I'm here to play SINGLE PLAYER games as OFFLINE.

Just because company want's me to do sertain stuff, I don't have to.

Modifié par Lumikki, 26 octobre 2011 - 08:54 .

[Adugan]

I think that origin will give a timer for "verification" which is actually a timer for data mining your cookies, history, program files and other installed games. Thats how I would do it if i wanted to steal information from my customers.

[MarauderESP]

this is why games get pirated , ill wait till a no origin patch get release , that would be 1 or 2 days after release , or use a clean hd only for the game after i finish ill wipeout it , by the next time i want to play it there would be another methods , but is a pain doing it

[N0-Future]

MarauderESP wrote...

this is why games get pirated , ill wait till a no origin patch get release , that would be 1 or 2 days after release , or use a clean hd only for the game after i finish ill wipeout it , by the next time i want to play it there would be another methods , but is a pain doing it

That exactly what Myself and nearly everyone I know is planning to do if they insist on implementing Origin.
There will be a no Origin crack within a week I can wait that long to play ME3.

Modifié par N0-Future, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:06 .

[MartinDN]

MarauderESP wrote...

this is why games get pirated , ill wait till a no origin patch get release , that would be 1 or 2 days after release , or use a clean hd only for the game after i finish ill wipeout it , by the next time i want to play it there would be another methods , but is a pain doing it

The funny thing is this isnt usually the case, some unscrupulous sales staff somewhere or other, or an online retailer ends up taking a copy or delivering early, games usually always end up leaked earlier than release date sometimes ridiculously early, the good thing with most modern games now is that the game unlocks on the actual release date so we wont get spoilers early or some pirate enjoying it before we can.

Rest assured though as mass effect 3 is a AAA game there will be ways around it almost the day of the release, im not advocating you to do this but its always the case with anticipated games, no drm system is invincible the scene is very competative every group wants to do it faster than the other on the big games, but if you do do this make sure to actually purchase the game aswell, otherwise we cant make a stand on origin, EA would have justification on origin everytime someone downloads.

Modifié par MartinDN, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:56 .

[Feanor_II]

MartinDN wrote...

but if you do do this make sure to actually purchase the game aswell, otherwise we cant make a stand on origin, EA would have justification on origin everytime someone downloads.

But that's also giving the company what it wants --> money, I think that 2nd hand + crack or sandbox is the most legitimate way:
1) You get a legal copy of the game
2) No money for EA
3) Origin crushed

Modifié par Feanor_II, 26 octobre 2011 - 11:32 .

[MartinDN]

Feanor_II wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

but if you do do this make sure to actually purchase the game aswell, otherwise we cant make a stand on origin, EA would have justification on origin everytime someone downloads.

But that's also giving the company what it wants --> money, I think that 2nd hand + crack or sandbox is the most legitimate way.

Thats your decision of course as a customer - but there is other ways to go about it, for one i do not believe punishing the developer of one of our favourite game series by not giving them money is a good way to go about it, i mean none profitable games ensures no future releases, you make a stand by refusing to do what they ask of you to play it - circumvent it if necessary or force the issue of origin, if this topic is kept in the public view they will have to respond eventually, hopefully favorably.

1) You get a legal copy of the game
2) No money for EA
3) Origin crushed

When you and i and devs say EA now, we mean bioware they are one in the same thing, sadly. Enough people would have to not use origin for it to be considered crushed, i heard over 5 million subscribed for bf3, its a shame really that so little people nowadays bother to read the EULA and actually cared for there privacy. But then again for the general public today, privacy doesnt mean much were used to throwing it away to get the joys of facebook, twitter, the internet and other marvelous wonders like cell phones.

Modifié par MartinDN, 26 octobre 2011 - 11:37 .

[alex90c]

Feanor_II wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

but if you do do this make sure to actually purchase the game aswell, otherwise we cant make a stand on origin, EA would have justification on origin everytime someone downloads.

But that's also giving the company what it wants --> money, I think that 2nd hand + crack or sandbox is the most legitimate way:
1) You get a legal copy of the game
2) No money for EA
3) Origin crushed

Though if you want to play multiplayer you'll have to buy an online pass.

[Feanor_II]

alex90c wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

but if you do do this make sure to actually purchase the game aswell, otherwise we cant make a stand on origin, EA would have justification on origin everytime someone downloads.

But that's also giving the company what it wants --> money, I think that 2nd hand + crack or sandbox is the most legitimate way:
1) You get a legal copy of the game
2) No money for EA
3) Origin crushed

Though if you want to play multiplayer you'll have to buy an online pass.

True, I forgot about it because I don't care that much about MP and DLC's, but maybe sandboxing you can limit Origin's intrussion in your system.

[Nathander Von Eric]

I was actually thinking of slapping another PC together last night to use as a dedicated gaming rig that would have nothing installed on it besides the OS and games.
The only thing I would have to buy would be a new graphics card (Or maybe 2 for SLI) as I have everything else on hand.

I thought about it for all of 30 seconds before I tossed that idea out of the window. It's the principle of the thing right?

I'm all for supporting a developer that makes great games. On the other hand if the company makes being able to rape,pillage and plunder my personal information a requirement for being able to play that great game.......the game turns out to be not so great IMO.

Make the game, I'll buy it and be happy. You want to use your own client? Cool. I have no problem with that.....Er....what? The client is basically a trojan? It will mine my PC for personal; data?

No soup for you!

[hangmans tree]

I'm really torn on this.
On one hand I have the great urge to play the game and ALL its aspects Sp & MP - that's what I'm paying for. But my rights are important to me. If I was breaking somoeones privacy I would get cought and fined/sent to prison maybe. But things like the companies do... no one is lifting a finger. Where are customers right agencies and the like? What, gamers need unions now? For f. sake, come on!

I wish to play the game. If its comes down to Origin... well, I'll burn my money on the game, I'll ****ing buy it, but I'll d/l the crack/cracked version to stop origin in its track.

At the end of the day nothing will change. EA will b!tch about PC piracy, we will rage on the DRM and its form.

I just hope to see something like consumers civil disobidience. 5 million buy the game, majority uses cracked files, no feedback data for EA. EA executives: "WTF? We have the money from sales, but where's the data? Is it broken?". Just once in my lifetime

We, the sheep.

[marstor05]

I suppose its a suck it and see kind of scenario then. Will SWTOR have the same invasive software at release, cos if it has i'm seriously tempted not to buy that either.

[Hyperion II]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Bioware is one of the top developers in the history of video games. I would rank them right up there with Nintendo.

(Nerd rage all you want PC gamers. Not many developers can compete with the in house Nintendo offerings for just downright --Great--Fun games. Legend of Zelda OoT anyone?)

People can say that Bioware has went away from pure RPG game development. People can say that they abandoned their core fans.

But despite one little hiccup (DA 2) people can not honestly say that Bioware doesn't make great games. Forget the genre. It's all about the story and choices and Bioware doesn't disappoint. They may have had a little hiccup (And even their hiccup is better than most developers best efforts) recently but overall they kick major butt.

I didn't type all of that to kiss any rears. It's a statement of fact and we all wouldn't be on the forums here if that wasn't the case.

I've played a lot of video games over the years and Bioware is the only developer that has a forum that I signed up and joined for reasons other than tech support. (Besides a couple of Neverwinter Nights player world forums....which kind of in a strange way amounts to the same thing as a Bioware sub board maybe but......meh)

The point being is that I love Bioware games and want to buy them. I want to play them on the very best hardware. My PC.

But Origin comes along and I see a lot with it I do not agree with. The EULA say's basically if you don't like it GTFO.
Fine. Plenty of EULA's say that.

But this one keeps me from playing Bioware games. It's not just me saying no to Origin it's making me say no to Bioware games as well.

And I don't want to say no.

I want to say "Yes! Yes! More games like this please and thank you!"

The question was asked and repeated on this forum of "Will Origin be required" and Bioware didn't bother to respond on the forum for all to see. Why I don't know.

But I guess the question I have now is "Why?"

Why try to force us to use a client that is in no way necessary and that in some of our cases seems to be akin to the Death Star of privacy.

Why Bioware? I want to buy your games. I want to support you.

Why?

I have to say that the total silence on the matter is worse than GTFO.

You don't owe me anything. You made great games I bought them and loved them and that's it. ****** for tat and all that.

It's not like you have to answer any questions. A couple of million people will buy ME3 regardless.

What's the comparatively few that have issues with Origin compared to that?

But, man, I'd really love to know "Why?"

There are no "Evil EA Overlords" forcing this. We know this because we have been told "Ea and and Bioware are one and the same."

Why did you make this decision? DRM? You just really love and embrace the Origin client? You feel that it is neccesary for PC games for some reason?

Why?

Have you been in my head lately? 'cause you really gave voice to my thoughts.

Hyperion II approves (+100)

[Sanunes]

What I am still unsure about is why people are saying Origin is going to look at all your personal information, for as far as I understand is that they are just going to look at active programs so they can check to see if you are cheating or not. Its not that they are going to look at all your personal documents or images and then upload them all when you aren't looking. This is very similar to what Blizzard does for World of Warcraft and probably Diablo 3 and I remember the exact same arguments against that when Blizzard announced Warden (I think that is what they called it).

The rest of the EULA is almost the exact same as what I agree to with Steam to use their service, and games such as Fallout: New Vegas or any Valve game require you to have Steam.

As far as the Old Republic goes from what I have heard you will only need Origin to download the game if you bought it digitally. (The Old Republic fourms are down or I would link that thread).

http://www.industryg...origin-to-play/

Edit to ask:

The other question I have is how many people turned off the "Send anonymous data" function that was in Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 so they could gather all the information about how you were playing the game?

Modifié par Sanunes, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:06 .