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[jtav]

It's a bit more invasive than that. It scans all programs on your computer and appears to be something of a memory hog. There is also no opt-out.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The "cheat check" sounds a lot like a way to keep people from modding the game for single-player content.

[Sanunes]

Do you think if they were just scanning active programs in active memory there would be less controversy?

[Michel1986]

Sanunes wrote...

Do you think if they were just scanning active programs in active memory there would be less controversy?

Origin is spyware and illegal in some countries.

From what i understand it will be added in ME3 since they promote that spyware on their own ME3 site

http://www.masseffect.com/

[Fenderbaum]

hangmans tree wrote...

I'm really torn on this.
On one hand I have the great urge to play the game and ALL its aspects Sp & MP - that's what I'm paying for. But my rights are important to me. If I was breaking somoeones privacy I would get cought and fined/sent to prison maybe. But things like the companies do... no one is lifting a finger. Where are customers right agencies and the like? What, gamers need unions now? For f. sake, come on!

I wish to play the game. If its comes down to Origin... well, I'll burn my money on the game, I'll ****ing buy it, but I'll d/l the crack/cracked version to stop origin in its track.

At the end of the day nothing will change. EA will b!tch about PC piracy, we will rage on the DRM and its form.

I just hope to see something like consumers civil disobidience. 5 million buy the game, majority uses cracked files, no feedback data for EA. EA executives: "WTF? We have the money from sales, but where's the data? Is it broken?". Just once in my lifetime

We, the sheep.

This Hangman! :happy:

Exactly what I will be doing.  It's easy folks, buy game, install while disconnected from net, quarantine Origins and the Main Executable and do not allow communication then use a crack....or obtain copy from other dubious source, install that instead of your 'real' copy...play till your heart is content....

Lets face it....at the end of the day...you have 'paid' for the game....there is no crime, no punishment, no laws....you have downloaded something you 'have' paid for....no piracy involved there....

Edit:  You think theres ourtage now, wait till the EU gets it a week after North America hehe...then you will see rage 

Modifié par Fenderbaum, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:13 .

[MartinDN]

Well... technically its still illegal, you buy a toyota prius does that give you the right to go steal another ? And isnt it 3 days after for EU ?

[Fenderbaum]

Technically...and technically is inadmissible   And you don't own anything with media, only the right to use it.  So pay for it, you have paid for the right to use it.  Slightly different to a car

As for when it comes out...who knows...but this EA....the rest of the world will be shafted in favour of the only country that exists as far as EA is concerned.

Back on topic...and to go slightly OT....this reminds me of DA2. Bioware said there is no Securom.....hmmm....it installs Securom...says it's Securom, acts like Securom, can't even be wholly and fully removed without the Securom removal tool (obtained from..hey...guess who...yes Securom).......so to me...it uses it.

Until I start to install the game, and see no mention of it in the install files, I won't believe a word Ea or Bioware tell me about it what it does or doesn't do...or how much of the client the game actually does or doesn't use...because you can bet your next wage packet, they won't be honest about it.

Modifié par Fenderbaum, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:31 .

[MartinDN]

Fenderbaum wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

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This Hangman! :happy:

Exactly what I will be doing.  It's easy folks, buy game, install while disconnected from net, quarantine Origins and the Main Executable and do not allow communication then use a crack....or obtain copy from other dubious source, install that instead of your 'real' copy...play till your heart is content....

I think your onto something here what with the whole internet disconnecting and the quarantine after install, its obvious though that you might actually have to go through origin to play me3 while installed, so youll eifher have to wait for workaround once youve installed or just give in - TO THE DARK SIDE

Modifié par MartinDN, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:35 .

[anzolino]

I cannot believe this! EA Says Origin Is 'Much More than An Answer to Steam'

...When asked about customer confusion about Origin, Moore played down the notion that EA's service is simply an effort to counter the likes of Steam.

...we love to be able to talk directly with our consumers and build a platform that other publishers can take advantage of. That's exactly what Origin is all about...

He simply doesn't understand that I don't like this kind of directly talk!

[Kelwing]

Considering the crap dealing with Origin and BF3. I don't look forward to whatever EA has up their sleeves in regards to ME3 now.

[mcneil_1]

anzolino wrote...

I cannot believe this! EA Says Origin Is 'Much More than An Answer to Steam'

...When asked about customer confusion about Origin, Moore played down the notion that EA's service is simply an effort to counter the likes of Steam.

...we love to be able to talk directly with our consumers and build a platform that other publishers can take advantage of. That's exactly what Origin is all about...

He simply doesn't understand that I don't like this kind of directly talk!

I really hate how these execs use PR speak <_<

[shep82]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The "cheat check" sounds a lot like a way to keep people from modding the game for single-player content.

I doubt that. They only care about cheating in MP.

[shep82]

jtav wrote...

It's a bit more invasive than that. It scans all programs on your computer and appears to be something of a memory hog. There is also no opt-out.

Not from the EULA I read.

[JGDD]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The "cheat check" sounds a lot like a way to keep people from modding the game for single-player content.

Doesn't appear to kill ME2 mods. I installed Origin on my old rig that was basically nuked of anything but Windows updates, ME2, and Origin and then ran thru a reg scrubber to keep prying eyes out of what was uninstalled. You still have to disable the online connect from within the game to prevent persistant overwrite of Coelesced.ini and you can disable Origin from auto-start.

That said, an opt out or detailed EULA restricting them to just the necessary folders for game management is still sorely lacking.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Fenderbaum wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...

I'm really torn on this.
On one hand I have the great urge to play the game and ALL its aspects Sp & MP - that's what I'm paying for. But my rights are important to me. If I was breaking somoeones privacy I would get cought and fined/sent to prison maybe. But things like the companies do... no one is lifting a finger. Where are customers right agencies and the like? What, gamers need unions now? For f. sake, come on!

I wish to play the game. If its comes down to Origin... well, I'll burn my money on the game, I'll ****ing buy it, but I'll d/l the crack/cracked version to stop origin in its track.

At the end of the day nothing will change. EA will b!tch about PC piracy, we will rage on the DRM and its form.

I just hope to see something like consumers civil disobidience. 5 million buy the game, majority uses cracked files, no feedback data for EA. EA executives: "WTF? We have the money from sales, but where's the data? Is it broken?". Just once in my lifetime

We, the sheep.

This Hangman! :happy:

Exactly what I will be doing.  It's easy folks, buy game, install while disconnected from net, quarantine Origins and the Main Executable and do not allow communication then use a crack....or obtain copy from other dubious source, install that instead of your 'real' copy...play till your heart is content....

Lets face it....at the end of the day...you have 'paid' for the game....there is no crime, no punishment, no laws....you have downloaded something you 'have' paid for....no piracy involved there....

Edit:  You think theres ourtage now, wait till the EU gets it a week after North America hehe...then you will see rage 

The negative aspects of Origin don't seem to be anything about piracy actually, IMO.  It seems more to do with collecting data for marketing purposes.

By the way, everyone can findthe main discussion thread for Origin linked in my signature.

[Bogsnot1]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Edit:  You think theres ourtage now, wait till the EU gets it a week after North America hehe...then you will see rage 

While there is still time, submit the Origin EULA to the EU's privacy commission.

[Cossack72]

anzolino wrote...

I cannot believe this! EA Says Origin Is 'Much More than An Answer to Steam'

...When asked about customer confusion about Origin, Moore played down the notion that EA's service is simply an effort to counter the likes of Steam.

...we love to be able to talk directly with our consumers and build a platform that other publishers can take advantage of. That's exactly what Origin is all about...

He simply doesn't understand that I don't like this kind of directly talk!

He simply doesn't understand that Steam is and always will be better than Origin.

/offtopic

[DTKT]

Wait, was something confirmed about Origin and ME3?

[shep82]

DTKT wrote...

Wait, was something confirmed about Origin and ME3?

Not a 100% conformation but they have said it will use it in some form.

[Killjoy Cutter]

shep82 wrote...

jtav wrote...

It's a bit more invasive than that. It scans all programs on your computer and appears to be something of a memory hog. There is also no opt-out.

Not from the EULA I read.

EULAs are useless and meaningless, from both ends. 

[shepskisaac]

shep82 wrote...

Not from the EULA I read.

Show us where's the opt-out from data mining then.

[100k]

So, like Battlefield, if EA's site goes down, does that mean that we're screwed out of half of ME3?

[Gatt9]

FERMi27 wrote...

@Feanor_II, yeah well, I don't care what Origin scans in my computer, I have nothing to hide. More than that, the EULA clearly states that even if they do hand over the collected data to a 3rd party, they won't leave no signs that can help identify me as a particular person.
With all this said, please keep in mind that I am not a fanboy of EA. Quite the opposite, since because of Origin ME3 may not make it to Steam. But I'm trying to be realistic anyway.

@charmingcharlie, so, now I'm a troll because I judge this topic? Yes, I talk straight, but if you call that trolling... You must think that, probably, all politicians, show-people, journalists etc. are trolls. I mean any person who speaks what he thinks, avoiding to be excesivelly official.
Back on topic. I think you're smart enough to realize that Bioware, arguing with her "boss" about the correctitude of the marketing strategies, and sane thinking, are two things that mutually exclude each other.

You're a little bit confused on how the original Origin was supposed to work,  and likely still could work.

-It scans your whole computer.  Every image,  every music file,  every video file,  everything.  It doesn't just read what applications you install,  it reads everything.
-It has the ability to transfer that data to EA.
-It has the ability to revoke any games you paid for,  despite having the disc,  and you agree to not sue them for it. 
-They didn't say they wouldn't identify you,  they said you're "Anonymous",  and then in the next sentence they tell you that they're going to give your computer a unique identifier.  So you're about as anonymous as you are in a car with a licensce plate on it.  In other words,  you're easily identifiable.

So basically,  someone hacks your account,  you can lose everything,  and you have no recourse.  Your discs are now coasters.  Someone manages to reverse engineer Origin and they can quite literally catalogue everything everyone has on their computer,  and there's a very real chance that they could use origin to drop a virus that will give full access to everything on your computer.

It is,  in it's original EULA,  Spyware,  and a massive security hole.  It's *highly* unlikely EA pulled the code out,  so they could quite possibly flip the spy-switch whenever they wanted,  or possibly someone else could flip it.

Personally,  I'm giving it 3 months before it's reverse engineered and turned into a hack that makes the Sony debacle look pleasant by comparison.

Modifié par Gatt9, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:12 .

[Bogsnot1]

Gatt9 wrote...
...and you agree to not sue them for it.

Your a touch confused on this yourself. Read the EULA, or if you have already done so, read it again.
What you agree to, is not to pursue a class action lawsuit. Yuo are still free to sue them if you wish, but after initial attempts at mediation have failed.

In other words, should something happen to your account, you agree to talk to EA first to try and resolve the matter, and if that fails, you are free to take legal action by yourself.

[tishyw]

Sanunes wrote...

The other question I have is how many people turned off the "Send anonymous data" function that was in Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 so they could gather all the information about how you were playing the game?

I did on both,  it really is none of their business how I choose to play the game once I've purchased it, if I choose to use cheats/hacks/etc on a single player game that's between me and my computer.