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[MartinDN]

EA really dont have a leg to stand on in the western world, i mean they ARE bound by the data protection act in europe, and you cant give up your own rights legally, no matter what some damn eula says, everyone should take a look at this.

http://www.gamerlaw....-non-story.html

By the way, ive read the eula on origin from battlefield 3, where does it say it collects your data anyway ? I couldent find it

[craigdolphin]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...
...and you agree to not sue them for it.

Your a touch confused on this yourself. Read the EULA, or if you have already done so, read it again.
What you agree to, is not to pursue a class action lawsuit. Yuo are still free to sue them if you wish, but after initial attempts at mediation have failed.

In other words, should something happen to your account, you agree to talk to EA first to try and resolve the matter, and if that fails, you are free to take legal action by yourself.

class action suits exist because well-heeled companies know darned well that individuals simply cannot afford to litigate unless the amounts at stake are large enough and their opponents have roughly equivalent access to competatant legal representation. So, in the absence of class action suits, they can simply break the law for nickels and dimes but for thousands and millions of victims and the risk of beoing sued is negligible. Rinse and repeat and you have theft on a massive scale. That's why class action suits were invented: to raise the price of behaving in such an underhanded way.

Courts are not a level playing field. If in doubt, I'd like to see you sue Sony (as an individual) for something. Or Google. Or Microsoft. Even if you had a cast-iron case, their in-house lawyers could keep things going so long that you'd lose everything you owned long before a judgment was rendered.

Personally, I think this whole EULA crap needs to be legislated against. But since big-content and coporates own the regulators, that's never going to happen.

[N0-Future]

I agree with craigdolphin, the law as far as legal action is always in favour of the Big companies. Thats why said law was instigated, in the States anyway.
In general the little person always gets stepped on.

Modifié par N0-Future, 27 octobre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Sanunes]

@MartinDN: Here is a link for all the EULAs for all EA products http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

[Not the Droid]

Wow this whole thread really depressed me and yes I read every post. I had no Idea till I came here. Thanks for the heads up.. no Joke
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[...mortaL]

huh... i didn't read the whole Thread, so I don't know If anyone brought it up yet, but..

what about Truecrypt ?

It should work with either the whole Drive or just the specific Folder (and/or dir).

[Lumikki]

What good does Origin Client do for customers on single player game?

I can understand to give customers opportunity use some external client to help customers to do something with companies games. But FORCE customers to use something what they don't want, doesn't do anything good in long run. It will just turn your own customers agaist your company.

Did strong DRM make things better for companies agaist piratism? Same mistake here, thinking ONLY what company wants and not asking from customers, as what they wants. What are customers issues with your actions and where it can lead.

These threads would not exist if YOUR customers would not have problems what you do. Are your companies needs more important in the issue, than YOUR customers?

Solve the problem and respect little bit more your customers privacy. Let your customers make they own choises, don't make forces choises behave of your customers, when there is issues with it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:23 .

[OperativeX]

Both my Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 games were bought on Steam and therefore my saved game data is Steam-based. There is no ****ing way in hell i am buying Mass Effect 3 on Origin. NO WAY am i gonna re-download ME1 and ME2, start a new soldier just to get up to the ME3 stage.

If EA don't put their games back on Steam i won't be buying anymore from them. I've already boycotted Battlefield 3 and will stick by it until EA take the stick out of their greedy a**es

[didymos1120]

OperativeX wrote...

Both my Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 games were bought on Steam and therefore my saved game data is Steam-based.

No, it's not.  The saves use the same format no matter how you bought the game.

[Johnsen1972]

Steam is the only download portal and software I accept. Not going to install origin spyware.

[MartinDN]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Steam is the only download portal and software I accept. Not going to install origin spyware.

Am i the only one who finds this ironic? 

[Slayer299]

Why, are you implying that Steam is spyware or that it collects data about your PC and you in the same fashion or that it is an online client as is Origin or something else?

[MartinDN]

Well it does collect data - entireley optional - but still it does, on by default. They released some of if recently did you see it ? About copies of pirated games and such.

No matter how bad origin is though there is worst suspects out there, facebook for example, least EA classes us as customers - facebook users are a product for advertisers. And facebook is not bound by data protection it looks like, i mean you consent to it when you post. Its the information age, we either have to adapt or not participate look at cellphones they can even track where you are

[cristim]

If Mass Effect 3 requires me to install Origin, I will not buy it. Nothing else to say.

[Lumikki]

MartinDN wrote...
Am i the only one who finds this ironic? 

Nope, you aren't only one. Both are spywares, both collects information from you computer and can transfer it to outside of you computer. But just because some program is spyware, doens't mean it's harmful program.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:44 .

[Reptillius]

Steam collects the same kind of data that Origin does. It's just origin actually tells you roughly what it does. Steam does not. If you ever look at the data it collects before it sends. It's way more than you would think about what's on your computer and being used. it collects every bit as much as origin.

and while it lets you opt out of actually sending that data at least on some things it doesn't have to. and it never really informs you how it tells you when it collects information when 3rd parties wish to collect it. Only that it does. It also has a clause that says When you agree to other EULA's from third parties they can have some precidence over Steam's...

So your in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation of a matter of if one is spyware so is the other. Trusting one over the other is a bad idea because they are both doing the same thing to you. It's just a matter of how they tell you what they are doing and what they don't tell you because in the end. No matter how it looks. they are both doing the same things to you.

[MartinDN]

Reptillius wrote...

Steam collects the same kind of data that Origin does. It's just origin actually tells you roughly what it does. Steam does not. If you ever look at the data it collects before it sends. It's way more than you would think about what's on your computer and being used. it collects every bit as much as origin.

and while it lets you opt out of actually sending that data at least on some things it doesn't have to. and it never really informs you how it tells you when it collects information when 3rd parties wish to collect it. Only that it does. It also has a clause that says When you agree to other EULA's from third parties they can have some precidence over Steam's...

So your in a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation of a matter of if one is spyware so is the other. Trusting one over the other is a bad idea because they are both doing the same thing to you. It's just a matter of how they tell you what they are doing and what they don't tell you because in the end. No matter how it looks. they are both doing the same things to you.

Indeed which goes back to that there is no way to avoid this, information age etc etc, if you want privacy dont use the internet, as ****ty as that is, thats what its come to.

Modifié par MartinDN, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:48 .

[Lumikki]

MartinDN wrote...

Indeed which goes back to that there is no way to avoid this, information age etc etc, if you want privacy dont use the internet, as ****ty as that is, thats what its come to.

More like it means don't use softwares and services what can't be trusted.
What can and what can't be trusted, is totally based every induviduals need for security and privacy.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 octobre 2011 - 02:51 .

[Nathander Von Eric]

As far as I know Steam only scans for known cheat programs like wallhacks, aimbots, etc., and tracks what you do in Steam-related programs, websites, etc.

Of course they are going to know your address, name, IP and CC information (Unless you use paypal) because they -are- a store eh?

They also ask you before uploading any other info (hardware specs etc) . I've said no several times.

So it seems to me that Valve's data collection is focused entirely on things directly Steam related.

Origin's data collection is focused on everything on your hard drive and installed on your PC.

Big difference there.

If someone has evidence about Origin to prove otherwise I'd love to see it. *Big hint there Bioware* 

This is one of those situations I would be glad to be proved wrong on.

I really do want to play Mass Effect 3 on my PC.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:18 .

[Taciter]

Reptillius wrote...
...Steam collects the same kind of data that Origin does. It's just origin actually tells you roughly what it does. Steam does not. If you ever look at the data it collects before it sends. It's way more than you would think about what's on your computer and being used. it collects every bit as much as origin...

That's a naive and uncharitable assumption, you might want to read the following article at your discretion:-

EA’s Origin EULA Proves Even More Sinister

Rock, Paper, Shotgun have made a name for themselves for being impartial so their assessment is worth noting.

And for your edification:

"...But there’s a significant difference. Valve’s policy is self-restricted to anything on your PC directly relating to its own products. EA’s is so broad that it gives the publisher permission to scan your entire hard drive, and report back absolutely anything you may have installed, and indeed when you may use it, and then pass that information on the third parties."

Modifié par Taciter, 27 octobre 2011 - 03:23 .

[Lumikki]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Big difference there.

There is differences of course, but not really that big one.

You are mistaken to think that steam is any better than origin. Read little more from internet what steam is collecting. Only big difference for user is that steam asks, while origin doens't. They both collect far more than is required for games or they services. They are SPYWARES.

Try this one: http://hardforum.com...d.php?t=1631814

Example look this page where is steam collection data. Look software names, how are they related to steam?
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
Point been, to know that much about PC's softwares and hardwares requires a lot of scanning.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:51 .

[shepskisaac]

Lumikki wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Big difference there.

There is differences of course, but not really that big one.

You are mistaken to think that steam is any better than origin. Read little more from internet what steam is collecting. Only big difference for user is that steam asks, while origin doens't. They both collect far more than is required for games or they services. They are SPYWARES.

This IS a big difference lol. You can't opt-out from Steam's data mining, you CAN'T opt-out from Origin's data mining.

[Lumikki]

IsaacShep wrote...

This IS a big difference lol. You can't opt-out from Steam's data mining, you CAN'T opt-out from Origin's data mining.

True you can't prevent it, if you have installed the softwares.

Modifié par Lumikki, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:36 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

Same goes for me: If ME3 needs a constant online connection and if I have to download half of the game from Origin to play it because they only put half on the DVD, I will not buy it. I have never used Steam and I will never use Origin. Period.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:59 .