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[jtav]

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Modifié par jtav, 27 octobre 2011 - 05:01 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

I'm not even buying Skyrim now, only because I know like 6 months from now it will be like 30$. That and I'm so ****ing backlogged on games....so many to play, so little time.

[DownyTif]

I'm gonna be really really PISSED if Bioware requires us to install and use Origin to play ME3 even if I buy it at my local store. Oh and not to mention the pirates of this world won't have to bother with this!

Behavior like that just encourages piracy.

[vader da slayer]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

As far as I know Steam only scans for known cheat programs like wallhacks, aimbots, etc., and tracks what you do in Steam-related programs, websites, etc.

Of course they are going to know your address, name, IP and CC information (Unless you use paypal) because they -are- a store eh?

They also ask you before uploading any other info (hardware specs etc) . I've said no several times.

So it seems to me that Valve's data collection is focused entirely on things directly Steam related.

Origin's data collection is focused on everything on your hard drive and installed on your PC.

Big difference there.

If someone has evidence about Origin to prove otherwise I'd love to see it. *Big hint there Bioware* 

This is one of those situations I would be glad to be proved wrong on.

I really do want to play Mass Effect 3 on my PC.

ummm no it isn't. the line all you "the sky is falling the sky is falling" nitwits are screaming about says "collect non-personal system information" means that Origin will scan your PCs hardware to see what you have (ie what type of ram/cpu etc) and check associated drivers. it then sends this info back to EA so they know what people are runing and are better able to patch their games.

Blizzard has been doing the same thing for 2 years in both WoW and SC2 and will be doing the same in D3. this isn't something new and is now where near illegal, especially as illegal as all you want to believe.

the other line about "send non-personal info to third parties(or subsidiaries, forget which exactly it says)" is stuff like what type of games you like and what you favorite sports and stuff are. this is collected through your origin profile most likely where you check off boxes saying as such. this you can also opt out of in your origin profile as has been said several times by both EA and people on this board.

edit: excuse me Blizz has been doing it for four years link in this article it even states that Steam does the same thing so don't know why everyone is so up in arms about this.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 27 octobre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Robhuzz]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Same goes for me: If ME3 needs a constant online connection and if I have to download half of the game from Origin to play it because they only put half on the DVD, I will not buy it. I have never used Steam and I will never use Origin. Period.

I found out that Skyrim on PC uses Steam, and I wasn't happy, but I can deal with it because I only have to connect one time to activate. Any more than that = no deal.

The pc specs for Skyrim were only released recently and I can't even find anything about the DRM being used. Where'd you found out it requires steam to install, but thankfully not to play? I want to make absolutely sure I'm not paying to be harassed by an annoying piece of S**t DRM. Publishers who force this on their customers don't deserve to be paid for it anyway..

ETA: Did a little searching. Seems you'll need steam to install and run Skyrim but no need to be online while doing so. Actually even this is rediculous. Any DRM that requires me to install software I don't use is just idiotic<_<

Modifié par Robhuzz, 27 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[shep82]

You all are really pathetic. There is nothing sinister about this and all of you whiners are just going to hurt things not make them better. Luckily PC gaming will always be around the sad thing is alot of you will miss out since you are so paranoid.

[TheRealJayDee]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Same goes for me: If ME3 needs a constant online connection and if I have to download half of the game from Origin to play it because they only put half on the DVD, I will not buy it. I have never used Steam and I will never use Origin. Period.

This. ME3 is one of my most anticipated games ever, but there are things that are simply unacceptable.

[shep82]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Same goes for me: If ME3 needs a constant online connection and if I have to download half of the game from Origin to play it because they only put half on the DVD, I will not buy it. I have never used Steam and I will never use Origin. Period.

This. ME3 is one of my most anticipated games ever, but there are things that are simply unacceptable.

Then you will miss out. Even if they do this (I doubt it) I hardly call that unnacceptable.

[Montana]

Just spent 6 hours trying to install Battlefield 3 and getting stopped by Origins doodoo.

Seriously hope ME3 won't require that crap.
In that case, I'll consider cancelling my collectors edition.

[shep82]

Tony77A wrote...

Just spent 6 hours trying to install Battlefield 3 and getting stopped by Origins doodoo.

Seriously hope ME3 won't require that crap.
In that case, I'll consider cancelling my collectors edition.

Um sounds like your having issues likely relaed to your firewall not neccesairly Origns fault.

[ColorMeSuprised]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
I found out that Skyrim on PC uses Steam, and I wasn't happy, but I can deal with it because I only have to connect one time to activate. Any more than that = no deal.

Now that closes my pondering whether to buy Skyrim or not. I have choosen not, for who can't guess. I don't have a problem with missing out on games. I'm sad and most likely pretty furious and all around pissed, but I'm not some desparate game addict that gives up fundamental liberty rights for approximately 30 hours (in case of ME3) of fun.

DownyTif wrote...

I'm gonna be really really PISSED if
Bioware requires us to install and use Origin to play ME3 even if I buy
it at my local store. Oh and not to mention the pirates of this world
won't have to bother with this!
Behavior like that just encourages piracy.

No way around Origin  - as of now.

TheRealJayDee wrote...
This. ME3 is one of my most anticipated games ever, but there are things that are simply unacceptable.

Same goes for me. I have been really waiting for this game but EA always knows how to put one down. At least NOW I know why they pushed the release date into next year - apart from increasing their annual sales at the end of their finance year.


EDIT: @Shep82: You call downloading half of the game eventhough you have bought it in your local store acceptable? Are you serious? Eventhough it does not matter to me, however there are still people without a stable internet connection who cannot just download a 4GB file. This is ridiculous. It's retarded. And it's impudent. (No, I am not calling you these things but a certain company which two letter name I will not spell out in "fear" of being banned - for people have been banned for less)

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 27 octobre 2011 - 09:58 .

[ironman001]

I will change the name of the Topic as EternalAmbiguity want so she wont go insane:)
PS. I know me English is horrible but thanks for remanding me of some ow you:)
PS2. No talk about piracy will be accepted in this Topic this is about Origin understand.
PS3 Sorry for not posting for so long but i was don;t want to some of you get less intelligent:)

[Taciter]

vader da slayer wrote...
ummm no it isn't. the line all you "the sky is falling the sky is falling" nitwits are screaming about says "collect non-personal system information" means that Origin will scan your PCs hardware to see what you have (ie what type of ram/cpu etc) and check associated drivers. it then sends this info back to EA so they know what people are runing and are better able to patch their games.

Personal or otherwise, it still forces consent and no one likes being bullied.. except you perhaps!

The so called 'sky is falling' demographic to which you glean so much pleasure from berating are just as entitled to be cautious as you are to be willfully naive.

shep82 wrote...
Then you will miss out. Even if they do this (I doubt it) I hardly call that unnacceptable.

So you don't think that the demand for a constant stable connection is unnacceptable? I think you need to find some self-respect.

Modifié par Taciter, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:09 .

[superkoolstud]

Any game requiring Origins to be installed will not be purchased by me and many thousands I work with. I love Bioware games, however Origins is the worst digital distribution platform ever created. Already skipping BF3.

You don't want to release it on Steam im ok with that. Forcing me to use Origins is not ok.


For those wondering why. Origin doesn't support English outside the US. It restricts you by IP address, for example if your in Japan then you get the Japanese version of Origin/Origin Store, charged in Yen. Furthermore you buy the Japanese version of the game. Which if the Japanese version doesn't support english you're SOL. Even if you select English US this happens. No way around it, can't use a proxy as it is against the rules.

I would also like to point out that I am more inclined to pirate a game if it uses origin. Now I purchase all my games via steam infact I have 219 games on Steam alone not to mention the 90 or soPC games I own via discs, I have from before I started using Steam.

Modifié par superkoolstud, 28 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Sanunes wrote...

Do you think if they were just scanning active programs in active memory there would be less controversy?

You know, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

[Adugan]

Liisi wrote...

Sanunes wrote...

Do you think if they were just scanning active programs in active memory there would be less controversy?

You know, I'd be perfectly happy with that.

So what if you forget to close Origin and open your bank's Flash program or something like that? 

[Jarys]

Bottom line ladies and gents, is software like Origins and Steam are the way things are moving. As more and more of the gaming industry shifts to pure digital, so will more of it be associated with external programs. Get used to it. There was screaming about blizzard and warden, there was screaming about steam, and so on.

If you enjoy the game, you will realize that you are not a unique snowflake, 'they' are not out to get you and steal your entire online life, and if you put aside the fact that you are a righteous crusader on a quest to end all internet evil(s) [as you percieve it], perhaps, you could just play the game, and enjoy it like the rest of us will.

Modifié par Jarys, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:24 .

[anzolino]

LOL, Adugan, that is a really funny question. Maybe if EA knows my bank account number they want to pay me for using Origin?
No, actually it is not funny! Thanks for mentioned this.

[Taciter]

Jarys wrote...

Bottom line ladies and gents, is software like Origins and Steam are the way things are moving. As more and more of the gaming industry shifts to pure digital, so will more of it be associated with external programs. Get used to it. There was screaming about blizzard and warden, there was screaming about steam, and so on.

...perhaps, you could just play the game, and enjoy it like the rest of us will.

So apathy and resignation is the special for today is it? I think I'll stick with the side order!

It's vaguely reminiscent of a scene in Monty Python's 'Life of Bryan' thus:

*For 'Prisoner', read 'obliging origin subscriber', for 'Brian', read 'sceptical origin detractor', for 'Romans', read 'EA' and for 'Crucifixion', read 'Origin'.

Prisoner: You lucky, lucky b*****d.
Brian: What?
Prisoner: Proper little jailer's pet, aren't we?
Brian: What do you mean?
Prisoner: You must have slipped him a few shekels, eh?
Brian: Slipped him a few shekels? You saw him spit in my face!
Prisoner: Ohh! What wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face! I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of being spat at in the face.
Brian: Well, it's not exactly friendly, is it? They had me in manacles!
Prisoner: Manacles! Ooh oooh oh oh. My idea of heaven is to be allowed to be put in manacles... just for a few hours. ..... They must think the sun shines out o' your arse, sonny.
Brian: Oh, lay off me. I've had a hard time!
Prisoner: You've had a hard time?! I've been here five years! They only hung me the right way up yesterday! So, don't you come 'rou--
Brian: All right. All right.
Prisoner: They must think you're Lord God Almighty.
Brian: What will they do to me?
Prisoner: Oh, you'll probably get away with crucifixion.
Brian: Crucifixion?!
Prisoner: Yeah, first offense.
Brian: Get away with crucifixion?! It's--
Prisoner: Best thing the Romans ever did for us.
Brian: What?!
Prisoner: Oh, yeah. If we didn't have crucifixion, this country would be in a right bloody mess.
Brian: Guards!
Prisoner: Nail him up, I say!
Brian: Guards!
Prisoner: Nail some sense into him!

Modifié par Taciter, 27 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .

[anzolino]

Jarys wrote...
Bottom line ladies and gents, is software like Origins and Steam are the way things are moving. As more and more of the gaming industry shifts to pure digital, so will more of it be associated with external programs. Get used to it. There was screaming about blizzard and warden, there was screaming about steam, and so on.

If you enjoy the game, you will realize that you are not a unique snowflake, 'they' are not out to get you and steal your entire online life, and if you put aside the fact that you are a righteous crusader on a quest to end all internet evil(s) [as you percieve it], perhaps, you could just play the game, and enjoy it like the rest of us will.

Who is the rest of us? You? You're speaking for all the others? I don't think so.

I don't buy Steam games, I don't buy Blizzard games, I don't by Ubisoft games because I'm an unique snowflake! This is not about stealing online life. This is about stealing offline life! And I don't want to be in EA databases if I only want to play. Period.

Modifié par anzolino, 27 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .

[mcsupersport]

Who here has bought DLC from EA, with bioware points?? Who here bought those points from Bioware using a CC?? They already have much info on you already...get over it, the only way to not have it that way is to get off the internet, and pay cash for everything, while living out in the country with ZERO outside support, ie power, water, garbage, because everything is put on the web. The most important thing is to limit what is on your playing computer and have fun in spite of them, as well as limiting what is on the web. Heck, I bet most of you have facebook, or Google accounts and are happy as heck posting everything you do on the web for all to look at.

[billy the squid]

Jarys wrote...

If you enjoy the game, you will realize that you are not a unique snowflake, 'they' are not out to get you and steal your entire online life, and if you put aside the fact that you are a righteous crusader on a quest to end all internet evil(s) [as you percieve it], perhaps, you could just play the game, and enjoy it like the rest of us will.

Idiot, that was never an issue regarding Origin or Steam.

Modifié par billy the squid, 27 octobre 2011 - 11:00 .

[Aaleel]

If the Origin requirements for ME3 are the same as Battlefield 3, oh well I won't be getting it. If I didn't buy it through Origin, I shouldn't need to have Origin constantly running.

I don't want some program running constantly on my PC doing who knows what while I'm playing. So if Origin is required to do anything more than activation ME3 is a no buy.

[shep82]

Taciter wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...
ummm no it isn't. the line all you "the sky is falling the sky is falling" nitwits are screaming about says "collect non-personal system information" means that Origin will scan your PCs hardware to see what you have (ie what type of ram/cpu etc) and check associated drivers. it then sends this info back to EA so they know what people are runing and are better able to patch their games.

Personal or otherwise, it still forces consent and no one likes being bullied.. except you perhaps!

The so called 'sky is falling' demographic to which you glean so much pleasure from berating are just as entitled to be cautious as you are to be willfully naive.

shep82 wrote...
Then you will miss out. Even if they do this (I doubt it) I hardly call that unnacceptable.

So you don't think that the demand for a constant stable connection is unnacceptable? I think you need to find some self-respect.

No I don't and vader da slayer is not naive it's the truth.

Modifié par shep82, 27 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .