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[BloodyTalon]

Ok read up a bit more on it so unlike stream you can;t stop it form running in the background when your not using it or something?

[Soul Cool]

Talosred wrote...

Ok read up a bit more on it so unlike stream you can;t stop it form running in the background when your not using it or something?

There is no external non-OS service or process that you cannot stop from running on your computer if you are extremely determined to do so. Computers do not work like that.

[BloodyTalon]

Soul Cool wrote...

Talosred wrote...

Ok read up a bit more on it so unlike stream you can;t stop it form running in the background when your not using it or something?

There is no external non-OS service or process that you cannot stop from running on your computer if you are extremely determined to do so. Computers do not work like that.

Sorry just got a little confused its nothing new for ea to data mine just doesn't sound like oriigins will have an offline mode or what not unless I miss something. 

Modifié par Talosred, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:16 .

[Soul Cool]

Talosred wrote...
Sorry just got a little confused its nothing new for ea to data mine just doesn't sound like oriigins will have an offline mode or what not unless I miss something.

There is an offline mode.

[BloodyTalon]

Soul Cool wrote...

Talosred wrote...
Sorry just got a little confused its nothing new for ea to data mine just doesn't sound like oriigins will have an offline mode or what not unless I miss something.

There is an offline mode.

Alright maybe being on the forums at 4 am is not wise,  thanks for clearing that up.

[Taciter]

Talosred wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

Talosred wrote...
Sorry just got a little confused its nothing new for ea to data mine just doesn't sound like oriigins will have an offline mode or what not unless I miss something.

There is an offline mode.

Alright maybe being on the forums at 4 am is not wise,  thanks for clearing that up.

lol, I hear ya but yeah, the offline mode doesn't mean that origin has closed.. it's a TSR.. and a persistent little bugger at that!

[Soul Cool]

Talosred wrote...
Alright maybe being on the forums at 4 am is not wise,  thanks for clearing that up.

No problem.

Taciter wrote...
lol, I hear ya but yeah, the offline mode
doesn't mean that origin has closed.. it's a TSR.. and a persistent
little bugger at that!

This doesn't really matter.

[Taciter]

Soul Cool wrote...
This doesn't really matter.

This is a matter of opinion.

[TheKillerAngel]

Is there any proof for the allegation that Origin will be required to play ME3?

[Taciter]

TheKillerAngel wrote...
Is there any proof for the allegation that Origin will be required to play ME3?

Nothing concrete as yet, any statements to the contrary are pure conjecture.

Modifié par Taciter, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:42 .

[Robhuzz]

Origin's in ME3, let's face the truth. EA said before that all their new titles will require Origin. I still hope I'm mistaken but hope dwindles every time a dev says  "I want to make sure I get this 100% right"  when he's talking about origin and ME3. EA always does what they want and this is no exception. What we don't know is in what capacity origin is required. If it's required solely for installing and validating your install (JUST ONCE) then I guess I could live with that - barely - I'll either remove Origin immediately after installing ME3 or install it on an old external hard disk (and disconnect the device after ME3 is installed)... Fingers crossed.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Soul Cool]

Taciter wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...
This doesn't really matter.

This is a matter of opinion.

No, really. It does not matter. Companes can and will find a way to market their products toward you. It is how companies with good marketing work.

Whether or not they draw useless data off of your computer does not change this.

[didymos1120]

Taciter wrote...

lol, I hear ya but yeah, the offline mode doesn't mean that origin has closed.. it's a TSR.. and a persistent little bugger at that!

TSR's were specifically a DOS thing, and were essentially a hack to enable a sort of pseudo-multitasking capability. .  While I'm sure there are a couple exceptions out there somewhere, the practice is essentially extinct and has been for ages because all modern OSs have actual multitasking.  All Origin does is the same thing a bajillion other things do: when you use the "close program" button, it hangs out in the system tray instead of quitting. It's not a feature I'm fond of in software in general, with a few exceptions, but it's a minor nuisance at worst. And it's not that hard to actually close it: pick "Exit" off the menu instead of using the button, or just right-click the tray icon and pick "Exit" there. Do that and there are no processes or services that are still running.

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 octobre 2011 - 08:56 .

[didymos1120]

Robhuzz wrote...

EA said before that all their new titles will require Origin.

No, they didn't.  They said "most".  Whether that's what actually happens, however, is a different question.

[Taciter]

Soul Cool wrote...
No, really. It does not matter. Companes can and will find a way to market their products toward you. It is how companies with good marketing work.

Whether or not they draw useless data off of your computer does not change this.

I wouldn't contradict that assessment but it matters to me, so on a purely subjective basis, it does matter.

didymos1120 wrote...
TSR's were specifically a DOS thing. While I'm sure there are a couple exceptions out there somewhere, the practice is essentially extinct and has been for ages. All Origin does is the same thing a bajillion other things do: when you use the "close program" button, it hangs out in the system tray instead of quitting. It's not a feature I'm fond of in software in general, with a few exceptions, but it's a minor nuisance at worst. And it's not that hard to actually close it: pick "Exit" off the menu instead of using the button, or just right-click the tray icon and pick "Exit" there. Do that and there are no processes or services that are still running.

lol.. betraying my age there. Forgive me, I don't adapt to change very well and my glossary of IT terms still defaults to archaic terminologies. I suppose I mean 'Windows services' and like you, I'm not keen on them, especially one's with such a dubious reputation.

Modifié par Taciter, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:04 .

[Soul Cool]

Taciter wrote...
I wouldn't contradict that assessment but it matters to me, so on a purely subject level, it does matter.

That's cool. I really don't know what else to say since we're stuck on seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum here.

didymos1120 wrote...
lol.. betraying my age there. Forgive me, I don't adapt to change very well and my glossary of IT terms still defaults to archaic terminologies. I suppose I mean 'Windows services' and like you, I'm not keen on them, especially one's with such a dubious reputation.

...But you can disable basically all non-OS critical Windows Services?

Modifié par Soul Cool, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[vader da slayer]

shep82 wrote...

Taciter wrote...

shep82 wrote...
True I havent used Origin yet so I can't be 100% but from what I've read it's the same.

You might want to have a little read of this article - EA’s Origin EULA Proves Even More Sinister

Nothing that I didn't already know. I still think people are overreacting.

they are. like I 've said tons of times on this forum and others, there are other major (not just Blizzard) software companies doing just this. all the provision people keep linking to says is they can collect and store your hardware specs, driver versions and operating system and other primary software and their versions. the personal info is stuff like your CC (duh they have to store that) address (if you have payment issues then they need a valid street address for collection if you've already recieved items but payment doesn't go through) and other such things that they need for buisness purposes and are things people give out on a near daily basis and lots of times without even knowing/realizing it.

what this doesnt allow EA to do is to scan all active memory (cache mem and ram) and hdd to try and look at your porn or w/e it is people are scared of them seeing. Im one of the most information careful people I know (when it comes to online)  and I can tell you this is nothing to worry over.

[Taciter]

Soul Cool wrote...
That's cool. I really don't know what else to say since we're stuck on seemingly opposite ends of the spectrum here.

lol... as is so often the case Soul, this is where we employ that rarest of BSN prerogratives and simply agree to differ. =P

Soul Cool wrote...
...But you can disable basically all non-OS critical Windows Services?

Very true Soul, but as I understand it, doing so would prevent the execution of any and all Origin dependent titles until the service in question ws reinitialised.

I think we both understand the basic mechanics of 3rd party Windows services, I think ultimately, our conflict of opinion lies in our respective interpretations of Origin's purpose.

[Soul Cool]

vader da slayer wrote...
what this doesnt allow EA to do is to
scan all active memory (cache mem and ram) and hdd to try and look at
your porn or w/e it is people are scared of them seeing. Im one of the
most information careful people I know (when it comes to online)  and
I can tell you this is nothing to worry over.

While I have no idea how you define "information careful", you are pretty much correct in this.

Taciter wrote...
lol... as is so often the case Soul, this is where we employ that rarest of BSN prerogratives and simply agree to differ. =P

Unpossible. There are no sensible people on the BSN.

Taciter wrote...
Very true Soul, but as I understand it, doing so would prevent the execution of any and all Origin dependent titles until the service in question ws reinitialised.

I run my ME 2 install from Origin with Origin not installed on my PC currently. Is there some bizarro coding thing done to new games from EA that forces Origin authorization after initial install? That would be about the most useless thing ever considering how silly and easy it would be to defeat.

Taciter wrote...
I think we both understand the basic mechanics of 3rd party Windows services, I think ultimately, our conflict of opinion lies in our respective interpretations of Origin's purpose.

Pretty much.

[FDrage]

didymos1120 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

EA said before that all their new titles will require Origin.

No, they didn't.  They said "most".  Whether that's what actually happens, however, is a different question.

Still woudl be most logical otherwise what is the point of it. Oirgin is way to similar to Steam. It is a digital distribution as well as a digitial rights management platform. Just based on the DRM part of it, it is more logical for EA to include games then not. EA then only has to relay on their internal DRM method and not on any 3rd party DRM methode. At the same time they'd boost their own income, as after a while at least most gamers (or digital distribution based gamers) will have an Origin account and therefore the digital revenue would go to EA and not to Steam or High Street retailers. ... however only in regards to where they have a stack in it aka EA titles .. probably not for the "EA partner" program.

Modifié par FDrage, 28 octobre 2011 - 09:45 .

[Taciter]

I acknowledge your point vader but I simply don't have your capacity for such idealism - where you see a useful customer support facility, I see a malevolent marketing vehicle; where you see a practical DRM implementation, I see a punitive control mechanism and so on..

vader da slayer wrote...
...like I 've said tons of times on this forum and others, there are other major (not just Blizzard) software companies doing just this.

As has oft been stated before Vader, two wrongs rarely make a right - World War 1 was a tragedy on an epic scale,  World War 2 didn't vindicate it. The European hierarchies condemned millions to a premature demise - imagine if 'the people' had simply over ruled the dictats of their respective leaders.

vader da slayer wrote...
what this doesnt allow EA to do is to scan all active memory (cache mem and ram) and hdd...

I was under the impression that whilst there is no concrete evidence that Origin DOES scan the contents of one's HDD, Origin's somewhat ambiguous EULA does not preclude the possibility of it taking place. Semantics maybe but as we all know, the devil's in the detail.

And finally, I posted this before but since it's relevant:

"...it's not about concealing a guilty conscience, it's about having sufficient self-respect to acknowledge that we aren't just wholesale statistics.

Commercial entities may treat us like so many pigs in an abattoir but whilst some pigs blindly follow the farmer because 'that's the way the world is going', other, more canny pigs know when it's time to jump paddock. Social networking/multiplaying may have started out as an ideological vision of an emancipated global society but in an information age, capitalism was bound to find a way to corrupt it - I suspect that one day, privacy will become the most sought after commodity of all."

[Taciter]

Soul Cool wrote...

Taciter wrote...
lol... as is so often the case Soul, this is where we employ that rarest of BSN prerogratives and simply agree to differ. =P

Unpossible. There are no sensible people on the BSN.

lol... good point, strike that last statement from the minutes.

Soul Cool wrote...

Taciter wrote...
Very true Soul, but as I understand it, doing so would prevent the execution of any and all Origin dependent titles until the service in question ws reinitialised.

I run my ME 2 install from Origin with Origin not installed on my PC currently. Is there some bizarro coding thing done to new games from EA that forces Origin authorization after initial install? That would be about the most useless thing ever considering how silly and easy it would be to defeat.

I see, well please don't hesitate to lay my concerns to rest... I was under the impression that this entire debacle was due to the perceived notion that ME3 (amongst other forthcoming EA titles) would require Origin to act as a persistent, always-online, DRM platform as opposed to a simple one-time activation applet.

[Soul Cool]

Taciter wrote...
lol... good point, strike that last statement from the minutes.

Excellent idea, comrade.

Taciter wrote...
I see, well please don't hesitate to lay my concerns to rest... I was under the impression that this entire debacle was due to the perceived notion that ME3 (amongst other forthcoming EA titles) would require Origin to act as a persistent, always-online, DRM platform as opposed to a simple one-time activation applet.

I'm pretty sure it's an always-on platform for multiplay. I don't know enough about the program itself to definitvely state that it is not "always on" for single play, but in my (unique) expereince, this is not the case.

[Lumikki]

Taciter wrote...

I was under the impression that this entire debacle was due to the perceived notion that ME3 (amongst other forthcoming EA titles) would require Origin to act as a persistent, always-online, DRM platform as opposed to a simple one-time activation applet.

It's little bit both.

Meaning while many are fine one time activation requirement and agaist to be forced Origin to be online. It's only one time connection required, to snoop everyting from you computer. So, this is also about agaist snooping in general. I'm my self fine with one time registration of you legal copy as DRM. But that isn't same as snooping everyting from you computer and it takes only one time to do that.

Modifié par Lumikki, 28 octobre 2011 - 10:12 .

[Soul Cool]

Lumikki wrote...
It's little bit both.

Meaning while many are fine one time activation requirement and agaist to be forced Origin to be online. It only required one time connection to snoop everyting from you computer. So, this is also about agaist snooping in general. I'm my self fine with one time registration of you legal copy as DRM. But that isn't same as snooping everyting from you computer, it takes only one time to do that.

...What? What do they do, install a backdoor on your computer so they can waltz in whenever they want to initiate random, useless HDD/SSD scans for...something or another that people don't want them to find?

I am not understanding this. Is there like a tinfoil hat requirement for this or something? I am honestly quite frustrated.