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[Taciter]

lol Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles!

[MDT1]

Taciter wrote...

lol Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles!

Please don't start with this, though you-know-who might be one of the reasons why many germans are so data protective today.

[Hyperion II]

@anzolino - you should have known by now that everyone that tells you that is either trolling you or is ignorant to Origin's ELUA

[Soul Cool]

Well, I must admit I do feel rather bad now. Apparently EA really is that stupid. I shall follow this story with interest!

[ColorMeSuprised]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
But finally Spiegel-online, one of Germans more reputable information mags picked up on the story and even lawyers and judges deal with this problem since the EULA is clearly a violation of German laws and as one lawyer put it: One cannot abolish laws in the country of their customers.

Of course, EA refuses to answer to any questions.

Found the article an hour ago or so. They use unusually strong language, which means they're not at all worried about being sued for calling Origin "spying software": A lawyer is quoted speaking of "extensive violations of data protection laws and consumer rights".

There's also an initiative under way to ban BF3 in Germany for this.

All this hasn't gone to court yet, but at least here in Germany I guess we could actually file a suit against EA, demanding either damages or removal of the spying functions from the software.  

Yeah, I have found the petition - currently about 2300 votes. However I do not know how many are needed. But I do know that another petition about data security reached the predefined number of voters and will be, eventually, discussed in the Bundestag. I guess... The Piratenpartei has certainly it's eye on that petition.

MDT1 wrote...

Also the german data protection authority is
occupied with this as the Origin EULA breakes german law in several
points. I'm curious how this will end.

Me too. Considering that TheOrigin.de is as of now collecting every evidence what Origin is scanning on your pc. There are even videos on youtube and TheOrigin.de's collection is not short.

Taciter wrote...

lol Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles!

Don't go there. Just ... don't. Please.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:11 .

[Ieldra]

anzolino wrote...
For those who believe there is nothing to hide: Origin scans the complete tax program folder including all files!
Another user made a monitoring screenshot of scanning the "Sony Ericsson PC Suite" folder, including all files (phone calls, sms etc.).

And now, fanboys, tell me there are no private data and I'm paranoid. I want to play ME3 and not my tax bills on EA databases.

LOL. Did you read the sarcastic comment? Someone said perhaps Origin would make his tax declaration, in which case it would be worth the 50 Euros he paid for BF3.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Ieldra2 wrote...

anzolino wrote...
For those who believe there is nothing to hide: Origin scans the complete tax program folder including all files!
Another user made a monitoring screenshot of scanning the "Sony Ericsson PC Suite" folder, including all files (phone calls, sms etc.).

And now, fanboys, tell me there are no private data and I'm paranoid. I want to play ME3 and not my tax bills on EA databases.

LOL. Did you read the sarcastic comment? Someone said perhaps Origin would make his tax declaration, in which case it would be worth the 50 Euros he paid for BF3.

It's nice how we - in face of such evil - can still keep our humour alive.

[Taciter]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Taciter wrote...
lol Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles!

Don't go there. Just ... don't. Please.

Don't be so paranoid - I have no time for apologists. The Anthem predates 'that' issue by two decades and should be a source of national pride.

Germany has contributed a great deal to global development over the centuries and it's nice to see that their sense of moral certitude is still at the forefront of their legislative body.

Modifié par Taciter, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:17 .

[anzolino]

Hyperion, I always knew that )
Yeah, Ieldra2, I remember this one.

[Vegos]

I myself am not too fond of letting any program reading stuff on my computer without me clicking OK EVERY TIME IT WANTS TO READ SOMETHING.

No matter the origin. Pun not intended.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Taciter wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Taciter wrote...
lol Deutschland, Deutschland uber alles!

Don't go there. Just ... don't. Please.

Don't be so paranoid - I have no time for apologists. The Anthem predates 'that' issue by two decades and should be a source of national pride.

Germany has contributed a great deal to global development over the centuries and it's nice to see that their sense of moral certitude is still at the forefront of their legislative body.

I'm not apologizing and I'm proud of Germany but it's hard to differ when confronted by people from different countries. You won't believe what I have already heard from others when writing in multilingual threads. Guess I just misunderstood.

Back to topic: Amazon deleted 1-star reviewes again.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:25 .

[csfteeeer]

alex90c wrote...

Well it seems you've already got Dragon Age: Origins, so what's the problem?

This Comment made me laugh more than it should have...

[Taciter]

lol... don't apologise! I know you guys get a hard time (despite belonging to entirely new generation) but your reaction was instictively defensive, and I understand why but practice being indifferent.. every country has had its tyrants. Let's just focus on what makes each country great.

In this case, Germany is leading the way in reprimanding EA for its supreme arrogance and I hope it will inspire others to do the same.

Modifié par Taciter, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:32 .

[Taciter]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Pretty sure you will need it in some way. Plus don't get too much hope to see it on Steam. I'm pretty sure EA will not put it there

Well then, this is an open and shut case for me... I buy ALL my titles through Steam.. no ME3 on Steam... no ME3!

[ColorMeSuprised]

Taciter wrote...

In this case, Germany is leading the way in reprimanding EA arrogance and I hope it will inspire others to do the same.

Yeah. When it comes to law and paper stuff, Germany is best.


Another Origin user found Origin in his telephone book backup, photoshop, calendar - but never inside his game folder. Now that's ironic: Link

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:34 .

[Taciter]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Yeah. When it comes to law and paper stuff, Germany is best.

Another Origin user found Origin in his telephone book backup, photoshop, calendar - but never inside his game folder. Now that's ironic: Link

Haha.. well you are renowned for your efficiency! =P lol... Good ol' EA... I almost feel sorry for them - they are their own worst enemies and yet they're too blinkered to realise it!

Modifié par Taciter, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:37 .

[billy the squid]

And the truth will set you free!!!

I stated that Origin scans the ProgramData folder, among other things, but fails to look at the game registry keys, weeks ago, but as usual process monitor logs tend to be ignored, in favour of denial and wild assertions to the contrary.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonaws.com...

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:46 .

[Taciter]

billy the squid wrote...
And the truth will set you free!!!

I stated that Origin scans the ProgramData folder, among other things, but fails to look at the game registry keys, weeks ago, but as usual process monitor logs tend to be ignored, in favour of denial and wild assertions to the contrary.

Congratulations on your long awaited vindication ceremony Squid... gonna pop the bubbly? =P

[Taciter]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonwas.com...

What? Seriously? Now that can't be legal!

[shepskisaac]

Oh wow the Germans are at it. This will not end well for Origin lol

[anzolino]

I hope so, Isaac.

Of course Origin sends data to Amazon, they are using the Amazon cloud service.

Modifié par anzolino, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:53 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

Taciter wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonwas.com...

What? Seriously? Now that can't be legal!

Have you seen the pic? If it's not a fake (which I guess since my source is TheOrigin), then it doesn't leave that many explanations. Tomorrow we will probably (hopefully) even know what data they send. They are working on it.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:53 .

[billy the squid]

Taciter wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
And the truth will set you free!!!

I stated that Origin scans the ProgramData folder, among other things, but fails to look at the game registry keys, weeks ago, but as usual process monitor logs tend to be ignored, in favour of denial and wild assertions to the contrary.

Congratulations on your long awaited vindication ceremony Squid... gonna pop the bubbly? =P

I won't celebrate prematurely, it still has a way to go. I may consider passing on the information to the data protection agency or one of the HR and privacy advocacy groups in the UK for fun and seeing what happens. If it snowballs I will simply laugh my arse off.

If it doesn't well, it's a shame, but there are always other options available.

Modifié par billy the squid, 28 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .