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[Abirn]

Taciter wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonwas.com...

What? Seriously? Now that can't be legal!

I'm more concerned by the fact that they are sending it to "legal department"  What does a legal department have to do with advertising and/or statistics. 

Are we going to see massive ways of copyright lawsuits like the RIAA and MPAA have done once origin gets a hold of things on our computers.  That would be low, really really low.

[Taciter]

billy the squid wrote...
I won't celebrate prematurely, it still has a way to go. I may consider passing on the information to the data protection agency or one of the HR and privacy advocacy groups in the UK for fun and seeing what happens. If it snowballs I will simply laugh my arse off.

If it doesn't well, it's a shame, but there are always other options available.

lol.. you revolutionary you!

[psiasterisk]

I´m hoping they´ll ban the sale of BF3 and other games that use origin, actually; as long as the EULA stays in place, at least. Germany is the largest market for their german localization, so if they can´t sell their games there, the money for german voice actors and translators would have been spent for nothing in addition to lost sales numbering in the hundreds of thousands. It would really hit them where it hurts.

I´m wondering at the moment if, since parts of then EULA are contrary to german law, a few EU regulations aren´t violated as well.

Really looking forward to seeing how this develops.

Modifié par psiasterisk, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[Taciter]

Abirn wrote...
I'm more concerned by the fact that they are sending it to "legal department"  What does a legal department have to do with advertising and/or statistics. 

Are we going to see massive ways of copyright lawsuits like the RIAA and MPAA have done once origin gets a hold of things on our computers.  That would be low, really really low.

That's a very interesting observation! Oh dear... I think Origin could end up being the epitaph of EA's meteoric rise to power. You'd think they might have learned from Google and Apple's example... no commercial entity is more powerful than the consumer body.

...I hope this proves to be a humbling lesson for EA.

Modifié par Taciter, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

psiasterisk wrote...

I´m wondering at the moment if, since parts of then EULA are contrary german law, a few EU regulations aren´t violated as well.

I´m really looking forward to seeing how this develops.

I bet.

Seriousley, here in Germany it's like 2am and everytime I click on the German amazon reviews, there are at least 6 to 8 one-star-reviews more.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:02 .

[billy the squid]

psiasterisk wrote...

I´m hoping they´ll ban the sale of BF3 and other games that use origin, actually; as long as the EULA stays in place, at least. Germany is the largest market for their german localization, so if they can´t sell their games there, the money for german voice actors and translators would have been spent for nothing in addition to lost sales numbering in the hundreds of thousands. It would really hit them where it hurts.

I´m wondering at the moment if, since parts of then EULA are contrary german law, a few EU regulations aren´t violated as well.

Really looking forward to seeing how this develops.

At least in UK legislation, it depends on the type of EU legislation. It can be directly implemented, implemented to give effect or weight given to decisions based upon the case or legislation. It's a pain and I don't have the inclination at the moment to look through all my EU statute books to determine which directives/ regulations/ commission notices are implemented in various ways.

So potentially it's already in breach of certain EU legislation by being in breach of German legislation. I'm thinking off the top of my head, an equivalent to the UK's Data Protection Act, HR issues, paticularly limitations to legal action and rights to privacy.

I'd like to see how it pans out, I won't get my hopes up, but I'll keenly watch it.

[didymos1120]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Taciter wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonwas.com...

What? Seriously? Now that can't be legal!

Have you seen the pic? If it's not a fake (which I guess since my source is TheOrigin), then it doesn't leave that many explanations. Tomorrow we will probably (hopefully) even know what data they send. They are working on it.

Origin is just using Amazon Web Services.  There's nothing special about that part.  It's just a service provider.

Modifié par didymos1120, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:23 .

[hellcat420]

ironman001 wrote...

Neurotics say that to PS3 players when they where attack by hackers only X-Box is still safe i think:)

funny thing is microsoft has been hacked a couple times(xbl at least once), but they wont acknowledge that it happened.

[ColorMeSuprised]

didymos1120 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Taciter wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...
Figures, looks like Origin sends information directly to Amazon Seattle. Explains the deleted 1-star comments. Why am I not surprised?

LINK

Origin - TCP Sent - Amazonwas.com...

What? Seriously? Now that can't be legal!

Have you seen the pic? If it's not a fake (which I guess since my source is TheOrigin), then it doesn't leave that many explanations. Tomorrow we will probably (hopefully) even know what data they send. They are working on it.

Origin is just using Amazon Web Services.  There's nothing special about that part.  It's just a service provider.

Alright. Got that wrong then. Thanks for corrrecting. Guess it's time for sleep if I can't get my facts straight anymore.

[vader da slayer]

hellcat420 wrote...

ironman001 wrote...

Neurotics say that to PS3 players when they where attack by hackers only X-Box is still safe i think:)

funny thing is microsoft has been hacked a couple times(xbl at least once), but they wont acknowledge that it happened.

the case you are mentioning of xbl being hacked wasn't hacking at all. a grou pof people sent out a ton of emails with keyloggers attached. they didn't actually break into the MS XBL servers.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

psiasterisk wrote...

I´m hoping they´ll ban the sale of BF3 and other games that use origin, actually; as long as the EULA stays in place, at least. Germany is the largest market for their german localization, so if they can´t sell their games there, the money for german voice actors and translators would have been spent for nothing in addition to lost sales numbering in the hundreds of thousands. It would really hit them where it hurts.

I´m wondering at the moment if, since parts of then EULA are contrary to german law, a few EU regulations aren´t violated as well.

Really looking forward to seeing how this develops.

I too hope they ban the sale of the game, and I hope EA wakes up and manages to put two and two together before Mass Effect 3 launch.

[Gatt9]

billy the squid wrote...

Taciter wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
And the truth will set you free!!!

I stated that Origin scans the ProgramData folder, among other things, but fails to look at the game registry keys, weeks ago, but as usual process monitor logs tend to be ignored, in favour of denial and wild assertions to the contrary.

Congratulations on your long awaited vindication ceremony Squid... gonna pop the bubbly? =P

I won't celebrate prematurely, it still has a way to go. I may consider passing on the information to the data protection agency or one of the HR and privacy advocacy groups in the UK for fun and seeing what happens. If it snowballs I will simply laugh my arse off.

If it doesn't well, it's a shame, but there are always other options available.

Yeah,  this is going to go over *really* badly for EA in the U.S. if it's really scanning tax folders.

That information is highly protected data,  it constitutes theft of social security numbers,  as well as personal protected data.  Used direct deposit?  They just scanned your account and routing numbers.  Your social security numbers and all the data one would need to commit identity theft. 

That's going to be a really,  really,  big U.S. Government intervention.  Those congressional hearings Sony was "Invitied" to attend after the hack?  Insignificant in comparison to the data that would be obtained if they're scanning Tax folders.

Between the government interventions,  and the resulting class action suits by parents,  this won't end well.

And that's before we even start talking about them scanning other protected data,  like data that might be stored by a real estate agent/broker's software,  or developers using certain SDK's,  etc.

If EA's actually scanning the full contents of the program files folder,  there's a very real chance they won't be in existance by the end of 2012.

The irony is that in trying to punish pirates,  it sounds like they may have committed crimes far more heinous.

[Mister Mida]

I wouldn't be surprised if sh!t is gonna hit the fan pretty soon, if it already hasn't. This pretty much shows the power of the consumer.

[ColorMeSuprised]

This is almost funny if it wasn't so freaking sad: LINK

For those that do not speak German, the Error Message says:

Error Starting Battlefield 3

Following error occured on launching Battlefield 3:
Origin creates following document:
"Tax_declaration_2011.doc"

AND many online and local newspapers here in Germany published articles concerning Origin. This goes up.


(And still comments like: "What? Have you something to hide? Too many torrents on ypur pc?" ...)

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 10:32 .

[Jussylein]

Origin is a bad software, The German User have right Stopped Battlefield 3 and Origin when Mass Effect 3 has Origin boykott The Game.

[Reever]

billy the squid wrote...

Taciter wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
And the truth will set you free!!!

I stated that Origin scans the ProgramData folder, among other things, but fails to look at the game registry keys, weeks ago, but as usual process monitor logs tend to be ignored, in favour of denial and wild assertions to the contrary.

Congratulations on your long awaited vindication ceremony Squid... gonna pop the bubbly? =P

I won't celebrate prematurely, it still has a way to go. I may consider passing on the information to the data protection agency or one of the HR and privacy advocacy groups in the UK for fun and seeing what happens. If it snowballs I will simply laugh my arse off.

If it doesn't well, it's a shame, but there are always other options available.

It would be great if other countries (and not just those in the EU) would look into this.
I really hope something good comes out of this!

[TheRealJayDee]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

This is almost funny if it wasn't so freaking sad: LINK

For those that do not speak German, the Error Message says:

Error Starting Battlefield 3

Following error occured on launching Battlefield 3:
Origin creates following document:
"Tax_declaration_2011.doc"

Seriously, some of that **** must be fake. I mean, not even a company like EA would knowingly do something that bat**** crazy, right?! Right!?!



For laughs:

http://help.ea.com/a...ield-3-on-steam

Q: Can I buy Battlefield 3 on Steam?

 A: No. [...] We are intent on providing Battlefield 3 players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game , and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

[ColorMeSuprised]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

This is almost funny if it wasn't so freaking sad: LINK

For those that do not speak German, the Error Message says:

Error Starting Battlefield 3

Following error occured on launching Battlefield 3:
Origin creates following document:
"Tax_declaration_2011.doc"

Seriously, some of that **** must be fake. I mean, not even a company like EA would knowingly do something that bat**** crazy, right?! Right!?!

Actually I HOPE some of this is faked. This sounds more like a joke corresponding to the fact, that Origin was detected searching through tax folders. However, I wouldn't put it beyond EA to do something like this.

TheRealJayDee wrote...
For laughs:

http://help.ea.com/a...ield-3-on-steam

Q: Can I buy Battlefield 3 on Steam?

 A: No. [...] We are intent on providing Battlefield 3 players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game , and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

I saw that too. Was laughing my ass off. Of course EA, all for the sake of connecting with your customers. Maybe I should invite them for tea? Just follow the trail of my internet connections, I have cake ready for 3pm.

[billy the squid]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

This is almost funny if it wasn't so freaking sad: LINK

For those that do not speak German, the Error Message says:

Error Starting Battlefield 3

Following error occured on launching Battlefield 3:
Origin creates following document:
"Tax_declaration_2011.doc"

Seriously, some of that **** must be fake. I mean, not even a company like EA would knowingly do something that bat**** crazy, right?! Right!?!



For laughs:

http://help.ea.com/a...ield-3-on-steam

Q: Can I buy Battlefield 3 on Steam?

 A: No. [...] We are intent on providing Battlefield 3 players with the best possible experience no matter where they purchase or play their game , and are happy to partner with any download service that does not restrict our ability to connect directly with our consumers.

Well considering that Origin scans the ProgramData folder as well as other things, I'm not paticularly suprised, foremost, it's badly designed, akin to a shotgun approach to scan the entire folder, even icons. Half the files and folders it scans are likely to have absolutely no pertinent information at all, so I believe thereare a great number of people who are very confused in trying to work out what the hell the program is up to.

But, as EA has decided to clam up so far with the Origin, issue I don't know whether they are going to be simply stubborn and hope the issue disappears or hopefully back down and make some alterations, before it someone works out how to bypass Origin and it blows up in their face, ala Spore.

A pipe dream maybe, but we'll see.

[Robhuzz]

Illegal versions of Fifa '12 and Battlefield 3 already work completely without Origin so I'd say it's bypassed already...:pinched:Like it should really. No person should be forced to install junk like this on their systems.

[billy the squid]

Robhuzz wrote...

Illegal versions of Fifa '12 and Battlefield 3 already work completely without Origin so I'd say it's bypassed already...:pinched:Like it should really. No person should be forced to install junk like this on their systems.

I really meant the cracks, but yes, the illegal versions always seem to have the edge paticularly when they are leaked before release. It's Ubisoft all over again really, and that one worked out really well.

Edit:
Although there are apparantly ways to block the scan process, Sandibox, for instance, entirely and yet own the legitimate copy with the inherrent benefits.

NB: I'll have to look into this more see if it actually works.

Modifié par billy the squid, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[anzolino]

The data in the encrypted https stream would be interesting.

Modifié par anzolino, 29 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .

[Deathwurm]

The more I read Posts from those with more Tech and Legal knowledge than I have, the more it looks like I'll be watching YouTube vids to see how the Story wraps up rather than playing through it myself.

That really is not how I wanted to experience the end of the trilogy, but I want nothing to do with Origin.