3140 réponses à ce sujet

[DownyTif]

 The important thing to do now as consumers/gamers: we stick together. And we will succeed.

[ironman001]

DownyTif wrote...

 The important thing to do now as consumers/gamers: we stick together. And we will succeed.

United we will win and we can enjoy Mass Effect 3 as we should without Origin( or at least it's spyware part).
Bravo for ColorMeSuprised for keeping us updated on mater of Origin in Germany and mine presonal thanks you for German law.
PS. Sorry for my English.
PS2. Where are people that where saying that we(people that don't want Origin) are paranoid or we trolling and other thing's:) It so sad to be right sometimes:(

[packardbell]

Doesn't bother me if Origin is a requirement. As long as there is no constant connection required while playing the game, then it makes no difference to me.

[TheRealJayDee]

"Attention: Origin mandatory!
Everyone should think twice about wether he wants to do this to himself. Rather avoid this otherwise good game and keep one's safety."

That's the whole of a BF3 review on amazon.de - one of the in comparison really few 5/5 stars review, that is.

I really really really don't want to see a similar backlash on ME3. It's just absurd that people cannot judge a game for what it's worth because of junk like Origin.

[ColorMeSuprised]

EA has changed the EULA (at least for Germany). They completely deleted parts of sending personal information and added at lot of gibberish such as "We know you value your personal information" blabla. However, there was no Origin update as of now but one might follow in 1-2 days.

Meaning: Right now, Origin still works the same.

Does someone know if they have changed the original English version? At least I will not be happy with just changing the German one and keeping the original the same.

However I won't stop there. I won't install Origin. If they don't make it optional for people who want to play Co-Op or have bought it via Origin I will not buy ME3. I will not be forced to have that thing on my harddrive and I will not go through all the hardships other people had to just to play a game - if they change the EULA or not.

ironman001 wrote...
Bravo for ColorMeSuprised for keeping us updated on mater of Origin in Germany and mine presonal thanks you for German law.
PS. Sorry for my English.
PS2.
Where are people that where saying that we(people that don't want
Origin) are paranoid or we trolling and other thing's:) It so sad to be
right sometimes:(

It's important to stay close to that, imo. So for people who do not speak German I try to keep it updated. Maybe the can use Germany as an example if EA won't give other countries the same rights as we are currently trying to establish.

@PS2: There are still trolls out there. Amazon is full of them, but there are only four or five which spam into every thread.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 01:47 .

[Hartford688]

I just cancelled my order for BF3 at Amazon, citing Origin as the reason. I sent a mail explaining fully why I was cancelling. And I am delighted that German customers in particular are making their feelings known. Looks pretty bad on UK site as well.

It would really, really pain me to miss ME3 because Origin is mandatory. ME1 and ME2 are without doubt my most loved games, and i have sunk waay too much time in both of them and DLCs.

But if Origin is a requirement at release day, then I'm going to have to do without and not buy it.

[Shepard the Leper]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

EA has changed the EULA (at least for Germany). They completely deleted parts of sending personal information and added at lot of gibberish such as "We know you value your personal information" blabla. However, there was no Origin update as of now but one might follow in 1-2 days.

Meaning: Right now, Origin still works the same.

Does someone know if they have changed the original English version? At least I will not be happy with just changing the German one and keeping the original the same.

Everything that's in the EULA doesn't have any meaning anyways. It's what the program is doing that matters.

But it's a start. Apparently EA is a little worried about what might happen to their precious Origin (debacle - I just hope this sh-t will be over somewhere around March 2012.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

EA has changed the EULA (at least for Germany). They completely deleted parts of sending personal information and added at lot of gibberish such as "We know you value your personal information" blabla. However, there was no Origin update as of now but one might follow in 1-2 days.

Meaning: Right now, Origin still works the same.

Does someone know if they have changed the original English version? At least I will not be happy with just changing the German one and keeping the original the same.

Everything that's in the EULA doesn't have any meaning anyways. It's what the program is doing that matters.

But it's a start. Apparently EA is a little worried about what might happen to their precious Origin (debacle - I just hope this sh-t will be over somewhere around March 2012.

Yeah, but if they write they won't do that (sending data to partners and such), but they do, everyone has something they can refer to if trouble arises, not only the Germans who can rely on the German laws.

And yeah, it's a start.

Still, Origin will never touch my harddrive.

Current German Amzon Update

1.572 Reviews

5 Stars: (94)
4 Stars: (22)
3 Stars: (23)
2 Stars: (23)
1 Stars: (1.410)

And another gaming magazine wrote an article about origin.


EDIT: Time for a class action lawsuit. This is going to be fun. Someone offered to take steps. I'm checking the email address but nothing comes up. Probably an account created just for the lawsuit.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 02:00 .

[Robhuzz]

I hope all this BF3 backlash gets noted by EA and causes them to rethink their strategy and stop making Origin mandatory to install and play games.

I mean what were they thinking? Those who buy retail games don't need Origin. I for one don't need some program to list the games I've installed, or which patches are available. I can easily handle this myself, thank you very much. With this out of the way, what was the true purpose of mandatory Origin install? Act as DRM? Everyone knows there's not a single DRM that doesn't get cracked in a few days, with those who legally buy the game being at a disadvantage to those who pirated the game. There goes yet more money down the drain.
Was it for legal purposes? Attempting to scan pc's for illegal content and sue these people? Whatever it is, it's got to stop, now, before every game publisher starts thinking it's normal to treat your customers this way.
Somehow I doubt any of this will matter though. Everything I've seen of EA so far suggests you have to hit EA in their wallets before they'll take action.

[anzolino]

@ColorMeSuprised, the EULA wasn't changed. It's the same EULA since 24.09.

But it doesn't matter anymore what the EULA said. If you read something like this:

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business,...

and at the same time the Origin client scans your phone calls and sms and tax declarations!
So, as long as Origin want to scan my data, I don't care what the EULA said - they lie in my face.

[ColorMeSuprised]

anzolino wrote...

@ColorMeSuprised, the EULA wasn't changed. It's the same EULA since 24.09.

But it doesn't matter anymore what the EULA said. If you read something like this:

EA knows that you care how information about you is collected, used and shared, and we appreciate your trust that we will do so carefully and sensibly. Information about our customers is an important part of our business,...

and at the same time the Origin client scans your phone calls and sms and tax declarations!
So, as long as Origin want to scan my data, I don't care what the EULA said - they lie in my face.

Are we talking about the original EULA or the German EULA? Which one wasn't changed? Both?

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 02:53 .

[ironman001]

The only language company's like EA understand is money so if people will not buy game because of Origin they have 2 choice lost a lot of money or use the brain and stop using Origin( trying to spy on they customer's ). The thing i fear most is that it will have negative effect on ME 3.
PS. Sorry for my English.

[anzolino]

@ColorMeSuprised, wait... http://eula.dm.origin.com/ there are all EULAs incl. modified date.
I meant the german one. The EULA you will find there ^^ is the same as now but the modified date is 24.09. I saved it on 20.10. when the first users came up with the Beta. A couple of hours ago I compared it to TheOrigin's one from today. <= This one is mentioned by Gamestar (?). They were both wrong. But: the official EULA is still the old one!

@ironman001, don't apologize, ours isn't better. We get used to it. )

[anzolino]

@ironman001, could you put these images in your first post that everybody knows what we're talking about?
The tax declarations data in the tax program folder: http://s1.directuplo...28/fglehhsj.jpg
The phone calls and sms in the phone program folder: http://s7.directuplo...28/enxmldba.jpg

[ColorMeSuprised]

anzolino wrote...

@ColorMeSuprised, wait... http://eula.dm.origin.com/ there are all EULAs incl. modified date.
I meant the german one. The EULA you will find there ^^ is the same as now but the modified date is 24.09. I saved it on 20.10. when the first users came up with the Beta. A couple of hours ago I compared it to TheOrigin's one from today. <= This one is mentioned by Gamestar (?). They were both wrong. But: the official EULA is still the old one!

@ironman001, don't apologize, ours isn't better. We get used to it. )

Hm, I though if you download Origin new you will get the new EULA. Is that wrong input from my sources?

@ironman001: As long as everybody understands what we are tryin to convey it's alright. My English isn't the best either.


Just found this: Video

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 29 octobre 2011 - 04:13 .

[RamirezWolfen]

Isn't this supposed to be some sort of countermeasure against piracy?

[slimgrin]

I have origin on my PC now cause I bought BF3. It was a hassle to get singed up with, as most clients are, and the battle log concept is plain retarded. I hope they don't do this with ME2. Other than that, it just stays in my tray and leaves me alone...aside from the personal info it's silently gathering. 

Oh, and one more thing. At least with BF3, you have to periodically refresh your liscence, similar to SC2. If you can't do that, you can't play the game.

Modifié par slimgrin, 29 octobre 2011 - 04:32 .

[sissysouthpaw]

Is it true that once you install it, you can't get rid of it completely unless you wipe the entire PC? Any experiences? Someone on Amazon claimed so.

[Ostagar2011]

All this falls apart if we don't know what Origin is sending home. I doubt that just scanning non-game folders would be the end of EA. Remember the outcry when Steam was launched and people found it collected data on their hardware and gameplay? Now everyone loves Steam.

That Origin EULA is bad, so what will probably happen is EA will dilute it down a bit to Steam+ levels, and then the idiots who argue that you shouldn't need privacy if you have nothing to hide will take over, and end the whole debate. As usual.

Sad part is, I really want to pay for and play BF3. But I will not have my money going to a DRM mechanism that goes beyond protecting the game, and extends to doing things with my data that have not been clearly spelled out to me, and does not give me an option to opt out. Same will go for ME3.

[ironman001]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Isn't this supposed to be some sort of countermeasure against piracy?

I can't stop laughing from want you write no offence but what have scannig all your hdd's and gathering info form them with figth against piracy if someone want to figth pirates the they should make games cost less not spent money on thing like Origin. Going with EA way of thinking every PC gamer is pirate if we think like that then every person is potential thief and so on and we all should be on constant lookout.
Now me favorite question once again EA or Bioware will Origin will be required to play Mass Effect 3 you supost to answer this question 15 october that was 2 weeks ago are you respection your customers or not if yes then stop pretending that many people don't ask this question and at least have some respect for as and say yes, no or it not your busines or EA don't let as talk about it yet.
PS. Sorry for long post
PS. First post change @anzolino and now it done good:).

Modifié par ironman001, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:13 .

[billy the squid]

Well chaps, I think we can resign ourselves for the moment that Origin will be a necessary prerequisite for ME3, both digital download and retail, unless the movement in Germany gains more weight.

4 options present themselves to me.

1)Buy ME3 with Origin and be stuck with it rooting around my system.
2)Don't buy ME3
3)Buy ME3 and then use a Sandbox system to run the program in isolation (furthur test required)
4)Other

EDIT:
(just to clarify, there is another recourse which allows one to play the game, without the need to use Origin or enter into a contractual obligation with EA, I'd prefer not to spell it out, and get myself banned or this thread locked.)

Modifié par billy the squid, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:29 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

billy the squid wrote...

Well chaps, I think we can resign ourselves for the moment that Origin will be a necessary prerequisite for ME3, both digital download and retail, unless the movement in Germany gains more weight.

4 options present themselves to me.

1)Buy ME3 with Origin and be stuck with it rooting around my system.
2)Don't buy ME3
3)Buy ME3 and then use a Sandbox system to run the program in isolation (furthur test required)
4)Other

I disagree, it is not necessary to the running of ME3, ME2/ME1 worked fine from retail/steam without the need for spyware (aka Origin). It quite literally has the worst TOS ever, so **** Origin. If they don't remove Origin being required (it was confirmed on Amazon EULA for the game), I'm not buying it, simple as that. I love the series but I'm no mindless zombie.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I opt for not buying it at all. Circumventing Origin doesn't do much in letting EA know you don't like it. Not buying it is a better message to them.

[anzolino]

@ColorMeSuprised, it is the new EULA (at first it was delivered with the Beta version, I think). But it wasn't changed since 25.09. and it is online since then - but nobody knews. I got the link to the new one from some Beta players. They told me about it and we compared it with the old one. I don't have it here in any game. Maybe your source got it through the game and thought it was new. Ok? )

[psiasterisk]

How did it even get as far as this, that a company like EA can draw up a contract that can run contrary to established law and make people waive their right to sue?

I´m not an american, but seeing that EA is an american company and even people inside the US seem to be pretty pissed off about this, I have to say: You should reign in the rights of your corporations, my american friends. The US are one of the great countries of the world, don´t let your corporations destroy it.

In the meantime I will, as an additional way of protest to not buying ME3, try to get every game, released with Origin in its current form, banned in my country.

Modifié par psiasterisk, 29 octobre 2011 - 06:16 .