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[Femlob]

Hmph.

Due to the nature of consoles it stands to reason that the console version of Origin will be far less intrusive - assuming there will be a console version at all. To clarify, there's nothing on my 360/PS3 that Microsoft/Sony, game developers and/or game publishers didn't install or update themselves (with the exception of a couple of saved games I'm sure nobody cares about) - effectively rendering a tool like Origin all but useless.

Draconian measures like these give me pause to think that EA doesn't want to publish PC games at all anymore. Origin is useless as an anti-piracy tool (but then again, that holds true for every anti-piracy tool ever), but it might do an admirable job of curb-stomping the modding scene and the second-hand games market once it kicks into higher gear.

Food for thought, really.

Modifié par Femlob, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:26 .

[psiasterisk]

Gatt9 wrote...

Here's a fun one,  by german report...

Start the installation,  get to the EULA,  don't accept it...but Origin already has started scanning and cataloging your program files folder before you even accept the EULA?

Can't read German,  can someone confirm that's what happens in this vid?



That's going to end very,  very,  badly if true.

In short: Yes, that´s what´s happening.
More detailled:
In the first part of the vid, before the window with the origin-logo comes up (that´s where you need to agree to the EULA), as far as I can tell, the process monitor only shows origin installing itself (looking up the registry folder etc.). After the user cancels the installation without agreeing to the EULA, he searches the log for the word "steam" and it looks like origin had already been going through at least the Steam folder in the program files folder.

The description reads (First sentence omitted. The poster just asks "fanboys not to flame".) "EA´s download platform, Origin, scans which programs are installed on your computer even before you agreed to the EULA. It´s clearly evident from the video that the Origin install routine checks for the existence of the Steam folder. Who knows what else it looks for and sends to EA."

(Paraphrased it a bit before translating. the grammar in the description is, frankly, a bit weird.)

@ Sgt Stryker:

AGB is short for "Allgemeine Geschäftsbedingungen". It doesn´t translate directly to "EULA", but it´s the same.

~edit~ ninja´d on the last sentence

Modifié par psiasterisk, 30 octobre 2011 - 02:27 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Femlob wrote...

Hmph.

Due to the nature of consoles it stands to reason that the console version of Origin will be far less intrusive - assuming there will be a console version at all. To clarify, there's nothing on my 360/PS3 that Microsoft/Sony, game developers and/or game publishers didn't install or update themselves (with the exception of a couple of saved games I'm sure nobody cares about) - effectively rendering a tool like Origin all but useless.

Draconian measures like these give me pause to think that EA doesn't want to publish PC games at all anymore. Origin is useless as an anti-piracy tool (but then again, that holds true for every anti-piracy tool ever), but it might do an admirable job of curb-stomping the modding scene and the second-hand games market once it kicks into higher gear.

Food for thought, really.

Too my knowledge, console gamers will be 100% uneffected by Origin.

This is due to internal controls and the fact Origin is predominately a digital distributor/client. It is really just EA's way of taking a piece of the market, and what better way to do so than forcing everyone on it, personally I'm passing if I can't circumvent Origin, either that or I'll rent it for console and play a marathon (pretty sure my saves will be SOL, but I'll get to see how it ends at least)

[DownyTif]

hey just to prepare myself mentally, what program should I use for "sandboxing" ? Any preference in the gaming world?

[Shermos]

Jsxdf wrote...

Shermos wrote...

I pre-ordered ME3 on Origin but have since cancelled the order and got a refund. I'll use Steam or go to a shop.

BF3 requires Origin to be installed no matter where you purchase it from, and it is not available on Steam. ME3 will most likely be the same way. 

Edit: there is a link to a ME3 EULA somewhere in this thread that seems to say that Origin is required

I may have to use to Origin to play the game, but I sure as hell won't pay any money to EA through it. Also, I doubt it'll take long for someone to figure out a way around the Origin requirement.

[Lumikki]

I think bigger problem isn't us, who are aware the situation. Bigger problem is the majority who are totally unaware what the origin client really is. They just install the software, as long it doesn't seem to do any harm for playing, they are fine by it. That's what companies are counting for, peoples ignorance and stupidity. If you don't know or understand or care what's happening behind you back, you don't complain about it.

BF3 caused issues for many, because it did hurt the players ability play. How ever, these same people did not really understand what they where doing before they installed the software. It shows how ignorange people really are about the issues. How careless people are about they security and privacy.

It's like if you give me candy, I'm fine you to ass **** me as long I don't know about it. Because I don't want to know about it. Little tastless comparison, but same thing. It's about, where is the limit? How much bad stuff you allow others to do to you, untill it's not anymore fine by you. Just you to get your candy.  Been ingnorace is one thing, but been stupid is other. Both are problems.

Modifié par Lumikki, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:02 .

[Mister Mida]

I wonder what Capcom, THQ and WB think of this since they made a deal with EA to release some of their games through Origin...

[Sgt Stryker]

Meh, I'll just keep my pr0n on an external hard drive, in that case.

[Gabey5]

yeah well it seems sandboxing will get around the issue

[didymos1120]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Meh, I'll just keep my pr0n on an external hard drive, in that case.

Well, since it doesn't look at any directories such as the user's documents, images, or videos folders, you don't have to worry about it.

[CroGamer002]

^So wait, only private stuff Origin doesn't look at?


Then WTF is with privacy invasion drama?!

[Candidate 88766]

Mesina2 wrote...

^So wait, only private stuff Origin doesn't look at?


Then WTF is with privacy invasion drama?!

People overreacted. Essentially, from what I can gather, Origin scans your computer to find out what other progams are on it - things like Steam, which I imagine EA is eager to know the consumer base for, or possibly torrent programs. Its pretty shady, but they don't actually go looking through your files.

[Candidate 88766]

Shermos wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

Shermos wrote...

I pre-ordered ME3 on Origin but have since cancelled the order and got a refund. I'll use Steam or go to a shop.

BF3 requires Origin to be installed no matter where you purchase it from, and it is not available on Steam. ME3 will most likely be the same way. 

Edit: there is a link to a ME3 EULA somewhere in this thread that seems to say that Origin is required

I may have to use to Origin to play the game, but I sure as hell won't pay any money to EA through it. Also, I doubt it'll take long for someone to figure out a way around the Origin requirement.

Once installed couldn't you tell your firewall to block Origin's internet connection? As far as I know ME3 requires a one time activation - after that you shouldn't need Origin.

[didymos1120]

Mesina2 wrote...

^So wait, only private stuff Origin doesn't look at?


Then WTF is with privacy invasion drama?!

People assuming the worst because of the terms of the EULA, which suck. I played around with it and watched what it did in Process Monitor.  It's definitely getting directory listings, mostly from the ProgramData folder, but that's pretty much it.  It's not actually opening any files other than its own. Not on my system anyway.  Nor is it transmitting much data (I ran a packet sniffer on it for awhile).  After startup, its network traffic is just some keep-alive requests to Amazon Web Services every few seconds, unless you actually do something like browse the store. 

During startup, most of it appears to be the login routine, exchanges of a couple Versign certificates, and downloading a few small xml and html files. In terms of bytes, the bulk of traffic is stuff received, not sent.  I didn't try to add up all the sent packets (because a lot of them are just protocol overhead like handshakes and such), but the largest one sent upstream that I saw was all of 453 bytes, and it's not like a constant stream of packets that large. Most are much smaller, and often just stuff like HTTP GET requests. 

So what's it sending?  Don't know. Very well could be stuff like what apps of interest to them you've got installed (or had installed.  A lot of programs leave crap sitting in ProgramData after you've uninstalled them). Whatever it is, though, it's not much.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:58 .

[Robhuzz]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

Shermos wrote...

I pre-ordered ME3 on Origin but have since cancelled the order and got a refund. I'll use Steam or go to a shop.

BF3 requires Origin to be installed no matter where you purchase it from, and it is not available on Steam. ME3 will most likely be the same way. 

Edit: there is a link to a ME3 EULA somewhere in this thread that seems to say that Origin is required

I may have to use to Origin to play the game, but I sure as hell won't pay any money to EA through it. Also, I doubt it'll take long for someone to figure out a way around the Origin requirement.

Once installed couldn't you tell your firewall to block Origin's internet connection? As far as I know ME3 requires a one time activation - after that you shouldn't need Origin.

In that case I'd rather completely remove origin after ME3 is installed or install origin on an external hard disk in the first place so it's not actually on my pc.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Robhuzz wrote...

In that case I'd rather completely remove origin after ME3 is installed or install origin on an external hard disk in the first place so it's not actually on my pc.

Which is not possible. As soon as you remove origin you cannot play the game anymore.

DownyTif wrote...

hey just to prepare myself mentally, what program should I use for "sandboxing" ? Any preference in the gaming world?

Be careful, EA might ban you for using it:

www.chip.de/downloads/Sandboxie_21760394.html

Unfortunately it's German, don't know any english language sandboxes.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 30 octobre 2011 - 10:53 .

[Lumikki]

didymos1120 wrote...

People assuming the worst because of the terms of the EULA, which suck.

Yes and No. Some people seem to overreact, but some people don't even understand what's going on.

What I assume is that company have NO BUSINESS to do ANYTING on MY computer. My own computer is my business and only mine. Does they harm or cause anything by they action in future, isn't the issue. Issue is that they do something what is not legal and they have no rights to do anything on my computer. Player accepting games EULA, doesn't make illegal actions legal. To make it legal player has to have option to refuse the bundle (spyware) and still play the game.

Been curios of they customers behaviors is not reason to break laws.

Modifié par Lumikki, 30 octobre 2011 - 11:13 .

[Robhuzz]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

In that case I'd rather completely remove origin after ME3 is installed or install origin on an external hard disk in the first place so it's not actually on my pc.

Which is not possible. As soon as you remove origin you cannot play the game anymore.

That means that POS software still runs every time I want to play ME3. Unacceptable terms for me. I want to keep that junk software I don't use away from my system at any cost. Seriously it's like you're buying a new tv, but you're also required to buy an additional 50 meters of power cable if you purchase that tv. Then to top it all off, you are required to actually use that 50 meter cable to power your tv or else it won't work. 
You ask anyone and they'll tell you it's retarded, and yet Origin does the same for those who buy physical games<_<

[ColorMeSuprised]

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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

didymos1120 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Meh, I'll just keep my pr0n on an external hard drive, in that case.

Well, since it doesn't look at any directories such as the user's documents, images, or videos folders, you don't have to worry about it.

You're right. Only geniuses keep their porn in their My Documents folders where anyone else can see it!

Anyway the line between programs and files is pretty much nonexistent. Maybe it's not curious about .bmp, .jpg, .gif, or .png files. Ooo but what's this .psp file?! ZOMG must be emulatorz!! And that .tga file?! What if it sees a game installation file somewhere "it shouldn't be" on the hard drive? It could automatically assume you're up to no good, when you might just have it as a backup or for modding.

Personally, I like to make images of my games when I first buy them because all discs eventually get scratches no matter how careful you are. The fact that I had the tools on my computer to do that kept Crysis from running after updating to 1.2 or higher. In fact, they weren't even installed on that operating system. Crysis' DRM checked either 1) Checked the registry information of other OSes, or 2) Was checking for files, not registry information. You wanna know what you have to do to run the game then? You have to E-mail SecuROM and send them a report, wait for their reply, then manually edit a file and insert something they send you into it. And even after all that, it still didn't work for me. And you better believe that Origin is more intrusive than Crysis' SecuROM was.

The best-written programs are ones that don't need to edit your registry or be installed. Are you going to say that EA is going to overlook programs like these? Where's the line? What's the limit? Do you know? No. Can EA change the line/limit any time they want with a required update that will break all games you have purchased until you accept their new EULA? Yeah. Basically, Origin and programs like it are designed to make you their... "butt-friend."

Besides that, EA has no right to shuffle around my computer and pull out whatever they like.

[SalsaDMA]

DownyTif wrote...

hey just to prepare myself mentally, what program should I use for "sandboxing" ? Any preference in the gaming world?

The one called :"Don't buy any product requiring Origin".

If sales plummet they have to re-release the origin products without origin in order to survive as a company.

Besides, do you REALLY want to set up seperate virtual systems just in order to be able to play a game?

When you start having to protect your privacy through such means just to experience an entertainement product, chances are you would be far better off just experiencing entertainement products that didn't require such setups. It's not like the world is short of entertainement products to waste our time with, there's no need to put ourselves at risk in any way for it.

[ColorMeSuprised]

This is how liberty dies

[SalsaDMA]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

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What's up with the buffer overflows?

Buffer overflows always make me uneasy...

[Fixers0]

Personally i can't be bothered less on what's origin doing on my PC, let them search for private info, or whatever they are gathering from my harddrive.

[ColorMeSuprised]

SalsaDMA wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

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What's up with the buffer overflows?

Buffer overflows always make me uneasy...

Not just you.