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[cactusberry]

Robhuzz wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

BioWare said earlier that EA doesn't tell them what to do. If that's true then they should be able to say 'No EA, we will not not make Origin use mandatory to install and play ME3". Period. And honestly I don't even see the point to having this program. It won't stop piracy and I doubt it'll ever really compete with Steam, not if EA sticks to the current terms of use.

EA doesn't tell them how to make the game. Bioware has no say in how said game is distributed.

I admit my knowledge of making games is extremely limited, but I imagine it's BioWare who builds the installer for ME3's pc version. To the best of my knowledge BioWare can decide to make sure this installer works without needing Origin.

EA is Bioware's publisher. EA is allowed to publish Bioware's games however they wish, iirc.

[Lumikki]

ladyvader wrote...

If you honestly think your PC is safe from anyone or anything, you are sorely mistaken.  There is no privacy on the internet.  NONE. 

It's true that many "privacy" stuff leaks in internet by many softwares person is using. Then there is also security holes and so on, but that's not same that giving FREELY full access to your computer.

If you are careless with your security and privacy, then of course you have issues, but you don't have to be so careless.

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

Just because I download a game, doesn't mean I have to agree full spyware computer access with game company.

Modifié par Lumikki, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:34 .

[anzolino]

Cenk777 wrote...
Sry BiowEAre, but THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!!!! Choose now between "Paragon" or "Renegade" action, it´s up to you!!

I like that analogy.
Yeah, I remember the scene. Picard was really pissed off. "...This far. No further!"

Lumikki, do you think this "EA doesn't tell us what to do" is just a PR joke of the BW (and EA!)manager? I'd hope they can at least decide not to use this Origin crap.

[DashRunner92]

Blah, it's only a matter of time before Origin crashes and fails. There's no way it can compete with Steam. Eventually it will just start costing EA more money than it's worth. Personally I hate Origin, especially with all the horror screenshots I've seen of it.

Modifié par DashRunner92, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Lumikki]

anzolino wrote...

Lumikki, do you think this "EA doesn't tell us what to do" is just a PR joke of the BW (and EA!)manager? I'd hope they can at least decide not to use this Origin crap.

No, I think sometimes EA does tell Bioware what they should do, but I also think Bioware has some freedom, but they action are still countable to EA bosses.

DashRunner92 wrote...

Blah, it's only a matter of time before Origin crashes and fails. There's no way it can compete with Steam. Eventually it will just start costing EA more money than it's worth. Personally I hate Origin, especially with all the horror screenshots I've seen of it.

I'm not so sure. Depense what they gonne do. If they continue this fasist attitude, then origin gonna fall one day. If they start respect they customers and give them full choise to use the software or not, and give people also choise to be part of data collection or not, then they have change.

Modifié par Lumikki, 30 octobre 2011 - 03:53 .

[Xeranx]

DownyTif wrote...

 Man, people are so drones...

Look at a reply on Gamespot:

"I am going to file this under I DONT CARE.Really, BF3/Origin could have come with HIV or the HerpaDerps and I still would have bought it."

I think I'm gonna ignore forums on that topic and just stick with my opinion on the matter (not buying). It makes me really sad that some people are that inconscious. Some people don't even have arguments other than: I just want to play the game, I don't care how. You can't argue with those and not convince them of anything even if EA would admit the worst of things (an example).

Sad generation.

Honestly, I think this is how people begin to lose their freedoms more and more because it's impossible for a handful of people to fight against the ignorance and apathetic attitudes displayed by others.  Even if it were a small camp it would still have a profound effect on the resisting majority (if one exists) for the pure fact that you're asked if there's something you need to hide.  Evidence of that is here on these forums:
"You didn't register your game.  That leads us to believe you pirated the game."

Actually it doesn't.  You take the opportunity to brow beat an individual into being just like you and adopting your views when you have no proof of what they've done or haven't done.  It's a self-righteous attitude and a slippery slope since it's used so often to cow people and make them feel like criminals when they aren't in the least.  Then they do it to others because they were made to feel like they should be like everyone else.

The fourth amendment guards against unreasonable search and seizure of your house, your car, and your person in the States.  And that's supposed to keep you safe from government officials (police and the like) abusing their powers.  This is just like ACTA.  It's a method of circumventing that 4th amendment to do whatever it is they want.  The sooner people wake up, the better off we'll all be.

[CroGamer002]

I really love how people hate Origin, while still using Steam that does same thing.

Only difference is that EA isn't trying to hide that.

[casadechrisso]

Steam does not scan your whole hard drive. Sometimes Steam asks you to participate in a survey, and only if you agree to take part it first shows you a list of WHAT is collected, at which point you can still cancel the whole thing. Origin just scans without your knowledge, more than Steam does, and does whatever it wants - that's the big difference. And yes, it's a HUGE difference.

[TheRealJayDee]

ladyvader wrote...

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

I will get to read more books.

[Mister Mida]

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam does not scan your whole hard drive. Sometimes Steam asks you to participate in a survey, and only if you agree to take part it first shows you a list of WHAT is collected, at which point you can still cancel the whole thing. Origin just scans without your knowledge, more than Steam does, and does whatever it wants - that's the big difference. And yes, it's a HUGE difference.

Did you or anyone else actually check this for themselves?

[shepskisaac]

Mesina2 wrote...

I really love how people hate Origin, while still using Steam that does same thing.

Only difference is that EA isn't trying to hide that.

Really? Steam ASKS you if it can scan your computer. Data mining is optional and you don't have to agree to play any games on Steam while Origin gives you a "give me your data or you ain't playing the games" choice.

[ColorMeSuprised]

If you honestly think your PC is safe from anyone or anything, you are sorely mistaken.  There is no privacy on the internet.  NONE. 

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

Easy, I will stop buying games. Period. I don't like this policy of downloading games. If I can't get it via disc, I don't buy it. More time for somehing else.


Someone who told us the screenshots were all fake and we are lying had the monitoring system running for about three hours until it started searching on his harddrive. Now they are out for the kill as well. Talking about not tusting us. <_<

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:07 .

[SalsaDMA]

ladyvader wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

/facepalm

My thoughts exactly.

Agreed.  Anyone that doesn't care they are knowingly installing spyware onto their PC either already works for EA or is likely too young to understand the importance of privacy anyway.

Personally I find it more interesting there are folks surprised by all this.  This is EA we are talking about afterall, no game they make would ever have tempted me to install Origin my PC.  Even before all this.

If you honestly think your PC is safe from anyone or anything, you are sorely mistaken.  There is no privacy on the internet.  NONE. 

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

There's a vast difference between being on the web with firewalls, scriptblockers and anti-virus systems enabled and a cautious attitude

and then between WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY installing a backdoor into your system that is KNOWN to have the ability to scan any and all of your files, create/delete files WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT and communicating with an external server to get its triggers from.

One is issuing common sense, while the other is being plain stupid.

Origin falls under the 'being plain stupid' category.

According to your fatalistic point of view, doing anything to protect yourself is pointless, so you might as well give the neareast suspicious looking guy your wallet anyway, cause people get robbed on the street every day anyway... That's how dumb an argument it is.

[ladyvader]

Lumikki wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

If you honestly think your PC is safe from anyone or anything, you are sorely mistaken.  There is no privacy on the internet.  NONE. 

It's true that many "privacy" stuff leaks in internet by many softwares person is using. Then there is also security holes and so on, but that's not same that giving FREELY full access to your computer.

If you are careless with your security and privacy, then of course you have issues, but you don't have to be so careless.

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

Just because I download a game, doesn't mean I have to agree full spyware computer access with game company.

You can do everything possible to keep your PC safe, but in truth it isn't. 

True, but if that is the only place yhou can download the game, do you not stop gaming?  Disc versions of games will go away in the future.

[MDT1]

Lumikki wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

Blah, it's only a matter of time before Origin crashes and fails. There's no way it can compete with Steam. Eventually it will just start costing EA more money than it's worth. Personally I hate Origin, especially with all the horror screenshots I've seen of it.

I'm not so sure. Depense what they gonne do. If they continue this fasist attitude, then origin gonna fall one day. If they start respect they customers and give them full choise to use the software or not, and give people also choise to be part of data collection or not, then they have change.

I also think Origin will fail. But the reason is that its a step backwards.
The success of Steam wasn't that it invented online purchases, or that it's cheap (at least in germany it's extremly expansive compared to local stores or even amazon).
It's succesful because you could get almost all games from almost all publishers.

With Origin  EA won't participate from the online market, it cuts itself off.

The music publisher already failed with their seperate stores only I-Tunes is really succesful.

ladyvader wrote...


True, but if that is the only place
yhou can download the game, do you not stop gaming?  Disc versions of
games will go away in the future.

I see no problem with online distribution, nor do I have the illusion my files on my PC are completly safe.
But willingly installing Spyware is still stupid.

Modifié par MDT1, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:15 .

[AlexMBrennan]

The tax declarations data in the tax program folder

Well, that's what happens if you keep financial data on a Windows installation, duh.

Origin falls under the 'being plain stupid' category.

According to your fatalistic point of view, doing anything to protect yourself is pointless,

Well, no. Origin is a backdoor with the properties described above that is distributed by EA. EA can't afford to randomly destroy people's computers, so Origin is a lot better than a random backdoor with the aforementioned properties.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Wow, they are even on Steam now. And even the VDVC is currently pressuring EA. I'm happy.

(No, I do not and will not ever use Steam, but it's still nice to see.)

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[casadechrisso]

Mister Mida wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam does not scan your whole hard drive. Sometimes Steam asks you to participate in a survey, and only if you agree to take part it first shows you a list of WHAT is collected, at which point you can still cancel the whole thing. Origin just scans without your knowledge, more than Steam does, and does whatever it wants - that's the big difference. And yes, it's a HUGE difference.

Did you or anyone else actually check this for themselves?

Actually yes, I've read the comparison yesterday. If I can find the link again I'll update. 

[CroGamer002]

IsaacShep wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I really love how people hate Origin, while still using Steam that does same thing.

Only difference is that EA isn't trying to hide that.

Really? Steam ASKS you if it can scan your computer. Data mining is optional and you don't have to agree to play any games on Steam while Origin gives you a "give me your data or you ain't playing the games" choice.

Then why does every game I have with Steam needs Steam to be on then?

[ladyvader]

SalsaDMA wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

/facepalm

My thoughts exactly.

Agreed.  Anyone that doesn't care they are knowingly installing spyware onto their PC either already works for EA or is likely too young to understand the importance of privacy anyway.

Personally I find it more interesting there are folks surprised by all this.  This is EA we are talking about afterall, no game they make would ever have tempted me to install Origin my PC.  Even before all this.

If you honestly think your PC is safe from anyone or anything, you are sorely mistaken.  There is no privacy on the internet.  NONE. 

What are you people going to do when they stop making discs and you can only download a game?  It's coming in the near future whether you like it or not.

There's a vast difference between being on the web with firewalls, scriptblockers and anti-virus systems enabled and a cautious attitude

and then between WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY installing a backdoor into your system that is KNOWN to have the ability to scan any and all of your files, create/delete files WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT and communicating with an external server to get its triggers from.

One is issuing common sense, while the other is being plain stupid.

Origin falls under the 'being plain stupid' category.

According to your fatalistic point of view, doing anything to protect yourself is pointless, so you might as well give the neareast suspicious looking guy your wallet anyway, cause people get robbed on the street every day anyway... That's how dumb an argument it is.

You are putting words in my mouth.  I never said not to be safe. I said if you truely think your PC is safe on the internet, it is not.  Just ask Sony.  They've been hacked more than once.  I'm sure they have better firewalls than most people at home have for their PC.

I ask a very simple question.  What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?  This will also be true for concoles players as well and HDD for consoles are no where as big as a PC HD is.

[Mister Mida]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Wow, they are even on Steam now. And even the VDVC is currently pressuring EA. I'm happy.

(No, I do not and will not ever use Steam, but it's still nice to see.)

What's the VDVC?

[ColorMeSuprised]

ladyvader wrote...
You are putting words in my mouth.  I never said not to be safe. I said if you truely think your PC is safe on the internet, it is not.  Just ask Sony.  They've been hacked more than once.  I'm sure they have better firewalls than most people at home have for their PC.

I ask a very simple question.  What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?  This will also be true for concoles players as well and HDD for consoles are no where as big as a PC HD is.

You are right. The PC is never truely save if its on the internet. That's why I like to play games WITHOUT using the internet. HOWEVER Origin does not give me a chance to do so. EVENTHOUGH I have bought the game on a disc in my local store.

IF someone wants to buy the game via Origin/Steam, fine, do it, but I do NOT want to do that, BUT even if I don't buy it via Origin I still NEED it.

Mister Mida wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Wow, they are even on Steam now. And even the VDVC is currently pressuring EA. I'm happy. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

(No, I do not and will not ever use Steam, but it's still nice to see.)

What's the VDVC?

VDVC = Verband für Deutschlands Video- und Computerspieler, translated into: Association for Germany's Video- and Computergamers

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:24 .

[casadechrisso]

Mister Mida wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

Steam does not scan your whole hard drive. Sometimes Steam asks you to participate in a survey, and only if you agree to take part it first shows you a list of WHAT is collected, at which point you can still cancel the whole thing. Origin just scans without your knowledge, more than Steam does, and does whatever it wants - that's the big difference. And yes, it's a HUGE difference.

Did you or anyone else actually check this for themselves?

http://www.gamefaqs....ield-3/60145714

Addendum: Out of curiosity's sake I've also done a quick test of Steam. Aside from accessing some system stuff Steam did not access anything else like the ProgramData folder (except for checking some bin files in Nvidia) or other game's folders.

It also mostly stayed out of other program's folders although it did access a dll in the FileZilla FTP Client folder and a couple of bin files in Nvidia's folder in the ProgramData folder. Keep in mind that I didn't check every little thing Steam did, only the (IMO) obvious stuff.

It also accessed the Start Menu\\Programs folder and the Desktop folder but only to perform a basic query which provides the following info: CreationTime, LastAccessTime, LastWriteTime, ChangeTime, FileAttributes (just had RHDNCI for mine)

Within the registry it accessed quite a bit of system and steam/valve stuff. It did not access the keys mentioned in my first post that are commonly used by the system to list the programs installed on the computer.

Now that we've also laid to rest that Steam and Origin are NOT the same thing I think I might actually play a game now  

Modifié par casadechrisso, 30 octobre 2011 - 04:25 .

[anzolino]

ladyvader wrote...
What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?

Stop playing. That simple is that.

[Michel1986]

EA encourage piracy with their ****ty spyware program ''origin''. What EA is doing is illegal and i truely hope some countries will boycott their games so they lose more money then before.