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I wonder if the Xbox user are not worried about the fact that these accounts were hacked recently. Imagine this: You buy the game incl. Origin for your box, Origin scans your box and perhaps it sends to EA your account datas but not only for the EA game, for the MS game too. And then some script kiddies will hack the EA server and then? They will get your EA data and your MS data or Steam or whatever.
I don't think that the Xbox or console player are really protected. I'm not sure, just asking.


What I use my xbox for pales in comparison to my PC. PSN has already had this problem without Origin. I don't think it has much to do with Origin as the downloads are done via the Xbox live service so Microsoft should hold any details you submit, rather than EA. Origin as a download service seems more exclusive to PC users rather than Xbox.

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anzolino wrote...

I wonder if the Xbox user are not worried about the fact that these accounts were hacked recently. Imagine this: You buy the game incl. Origin for your box, Origin scans your box and perhaps it sends to EA your account datas but not only for the EA game, for the MS game too. And then some script kiddies will hack the EA server and then? They will get your EA data and your MS data or Steam or whatever.
I don't think that the Xbox or console player are really protected. I'm not sure, just asking.


But most people don't keep personal (and by that I mean financial, medical etcetera) information on their xboxes.

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EA encourage piracy with their ****ty spyware program ''origin''. What EA is doing is illegal and i truely hope some countries will boycott their games so they lose more money then before.


Even a lot of people, who still buy the game to support Bioware etc, will opt to get a pirated version also to be rid of this mess and simply play the damn thing, if it turns out as dire as the predictions.


Those people are naive. Bioware is part of EA, and a big part of the money spent on ME3 is going to ea too. I also don't see why so many people see EA as the "bad guy" but have so much sympathy for bioware. They are one of the worst when it comes to cutting content and selling it as DLC later. Lair of the shadow broker and arrival are more important parts of the story than most missions were in me2, but aren't even included in the game! Mass effect is one of the best gaming-franchises and I even bought that dlc but that doesn't make bioware a fluffy-goody-goody company. 


I don't see how either of those were cut, paticularly as they were released over a year later. Cut content seems to be that ridiculous day 1 DLC, which requires a preorder before any reviews come out.

Funny as most of the special limited editions are still about after the game comes on sale anyway, making it a bit pointless really.

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billy the squid wrote...
What I use my xbox for pales in comparison to my PC. PSN has already had this problem without Origin. I don't think it has much to do with Origin as the downloads are done via the Xbox live service so Microsoft should hold any details you submit, rather than EA. Origin as a download service seems more exclusive to PC users rather than Xbox.

Yes, ok. But if you want to download DLC i.e. you will need the Origin client on your box too. It's the opposite to the EA download server. So you have to use it for the DLC on your box. That makes it more than exclusive for PC, I think. What about MP player? Goes the MP through Origin?

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billy the squid wrote...

BRND wrote...

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EA encourage piracy with their ****ty spyware program ''origin''. What EA is doing is illegal and i truely hope some countries will boycott their games so they lose more money then before.


Even a lot of people, who still buy the game to support Bioware etc, will opt to get a pirated version also to be rid of this mess and simply play the damn thing, if it turns out as dire as the predictions.


Those people are naive. Bioware is part of EA, and a big part of the money spent on ME3 is going to ea too. I also don't see why so many people see EA as the "bad guy" but have so much sympathy for bioware. They are one of the worst when it comes to cutting content and selling it as DLC later. Lair of the shadow broker and arrival are more important parts of the story than most missions were in me2, but aren't even included in the game! Mass effect is one of the best gaming-franchises and I even bought that dlc but that doesn't make bioware a fluffy-goody-goody company. 


I don't see how either of those were cut, paticularly as they were released over a year later. Cut content seems to be that ridiculous day 1 DLC, which requires a preorder before any reviews come out.

Funny as most of the special limited editions are still about after the game comes on sale anyway, making it a bit pointless really.

Yeah the examples I mentioned were not the best. But they should have been included from the beginning, they're storywise more important than the actual suicide mission from what we know about me3! Now it could be that bioware didn't know where they were going with me3's story, but in that case I fear the worst for all the "choices carry over" stuff.

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@BRND, that's right. But they have the other accounts and their credit card data on it?
Of course, there are no tax declarations or some other stuff and I'm aware of it. But the data which allows other (i.e. hacker) to buy software as you (name/account) are still there. This is what I meant.

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anzolino wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
What I use my xbox for pales in comparison to my PC. PSN has already had this problem without Origin. I don't think it has much to do with Origin as the downloads are done via the Xbox live service so Microsoft should hold any details you submit, rather than EA. Origin as a download service seems more exclusive to PC users rather than Xbox.

Yes, ok. But if you want to download DLC i.e. you will need the Origin client on your box too. It's the opposite to the EA download server. So you have to use it for the DLC on your box. That makes it more than exclusive for PC, I think. What about MP player? Goes the MP through Origin?

Xbox-life (microsoft) handles all multiplayer on xbox 360, no exceptions.

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anzolino wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
What I use my xbox for pales in comparison to my PC. PSN has already had this problem without Origin. I don't think it has much to do with Origin as the downloads are done via the Xbox live service so Microsoft should hold any details you submit, rather than EA. Origin as a download service seems more exclusive to PC users rather than Xbox.

Yes, ok. But if you want to download DLC i.e. you will need the Origin client on your box too. It's the opposite to the EA download server. So you have to use it for the DLC on your box. That makes it more than exclusive for PC, I think. What about MP player? Goes the MP through Origin?


Origin is the download client, MP, that would be the servers for EA, I don't think Origin has anything to do with that. The point is that the PSN network got hacked way before Origin became an issue. Xbox I don't think has been yet, but Xbox live holds the financial details, all transactions are made through it, any billings are made by Microsoft, not EA, which is why the PSN got a lot of flack and several law suits filed againt it, rather than the publishers or developers.

I don't believe EA possesses any financial data like credit card numbers etc. that would be Microsoft I believe. Origin on Xbox, is generally a waste of time as what's it going to scan on my xbox? Save game data?

Modifié par billy the squid, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:54 .


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anzolino wrote...

@BRND, that's right. But they have the other accounts and their credit card data on it?
Of course, there are no tax declarations or some other stuff and I'm aware of it. But the data which allows other (i.e. hacker) to buy software as you (name/account) are still there. This is what I meant.

That's true. But one of the reasons why console users don't have to worry about origins is because microsoft and sony already handle all dlc and multiplayer. They wouldn't allow ea to just take that away from them. EA needs microsof and sony (and nintendo) more than they need ea...

Modifié par BRND, 30 octobre 2011 - 08:54 .


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BRND wrote...

anzolino wrote...

@BRND, that's right. But they have the other accounts and their credit card data on it?
Of course, there are no tax declarations or some other stuff and I'm aware of it. But the data which allows other (i.e. hacker) to buy software as you (name/account) are still there. This is what I meant.

That's true. But one of the reasons why console users don't have to worry about origins is because microsoft and sony already handle all dlc and multiplayer. They wouldn't allow ea to just take that away from them. EA needs microsof and sony (and nintendo) more than they need ea...


Which is exactly why xbox players are "safe" for the time-being. Just wait until the next-gen consoles come out. I'm calling it now... Image IPB

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Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. :whistle:

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Ahja, ok. Thanks for clarification.

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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. Image IPB


Origin ruins games. Steam has it down by not taking you to a freakin browser to play a game. Oh, and not stealing personal information and selling it to the highest bidder.

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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. Image IPB


Origin ruins games. Steam has it down by not taking you to a freakin browser to play a game. Oh, and not stealing personal information and selling it to the highest bidder.


I hope EA sees that too. But just like my bosses, they just see the $$ in their eyes.

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Ghost-621 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. Image IPB


Origin ruins games. Steam has it down by not taking you to a freakin browser to play a game. Oh, and not stealing personal information and selling it to the highest bidder.


I hope EA sees that too. But just like my bosses, they just see the $$ in their eyes.


Oh, gaming, I remember when you were a labor of love and not just another seedy business run by greedy suits.

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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. Image IPB


Origin ruins games. Steam has it down by not taking you to a freakin browser to play a game. Oh, and not stealing personal information and selling it to the highest bidder.


I hope EA sees that too. But just like my bosses, they just see the $$ in their eyes.


Oh, gaming, I remember when you were a labor of love and not just another seedy business run by greedy suits.

Sadly (?) I'm quite new to gaming (two years), therefore I can not recall these times, however, whenever I buy older games I'm always suprised that some don't even have a registry key. I was like "Woot? Wheres the key? What the game starts? COOOL!!!" :happy:

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:14 .


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ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Just a little something:

Amazon.de has over 2000 1-star reviews. I have never in my life seen something like this. Image IPB


Origin ruins games. Steam has it down by not taking you to a freakin browser to play a game. Oh, and not stealing personal information and selling it to the highest bidder.


I hope EA sees that too. But just like my bosses, they just see the $$ in their eyes.


Oh, gaming, I remember when you were a labor of love and not just another seedy business run by greedy suits.

Sadly (?) I'm quite new to gaming (two years), therefore I can not recall these times, however, whenever I buy older games I'm always suprised that some don't even have a registry key. I was like "Woot? Wheres the key? What the game starts? COOOL!!!" :happy:


Ow you missed alot, over 10 years ago there was a program called ''clone cd'' that could clone disc with protection and all other stuff and it worked even without a crack.

After that they didn't update it anymore for newer protections or where not allowed anymore. But that really was great stuff.

A year or 2 later companies protected their games with serial keys. :devil:

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I ask a very simple question.  What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?  


IF  they stop selling games on discs, then I will stop buying games.  Simple as that.

So should everyone else.

I think the problem lies more with the methods publishers use to distribute their games. If you link the game to applications like Steam and Origin, people might get pissed. But if I hear correctly, retailers like GoG.com for example don't do stuff like that.


I still want the physical media. 

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BRND wrote...

Nauks wrote...

Michel1986 wrote...

EA encourage piracy with their ****ty spyware program ''origin''. What EA is doing is illegal and i truely hope some countries will boycott their games so they lose more money then before.


Even a lot of people, who still buy the game to support Bioware etc, will opt to get a pirated version also to be rid of this mess and simply play the damn thing, if it turns out as dire as the predictions.


Those people are naive. Bioware is part of EA, and a big part of the money spent on ME3 is going to ea too. I also don't see why so many people see EA as the "bad guy" but have so much sympathy for bioware. They are one of the worst when it comes to cutting content and selling it as DLC later. Lair of the shadow broker and arrival are more important parts of the story than most missions were in me2, but aren't even included in the game! Mass effect is one of the best gaming-franchises and I even bought that dlc but that doesn't make bioware a fluffy-goody-goody company. 


Maybe I'm mistaken, but it seems as if Bioware's behavior changed after being wh*red to EA.

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ColorMeSuprised wrote...
I hope EA sees that too.

I hope BW sees it at least.

I remember times when you had to look in the print manual and find the third word on site 27. This word was used for activating the game. The good old days :D

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New picture:

PIC


What's up with the buffer overflows?

Buffer overflows always make me uneasy...


Ask every single process on your system.  No, seriously: set a custom filter for "BUFFER OVERFLOW" in Process Monitor.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I ask a very simple question.  What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?  



IF  they stop selling games on discs, then I will stop buying games.  Simple as that.

So should everyone else.


Just wanted to clarify that this quote is not from me, it's from ladyvader. I just quoted her myself two pages ago. For the record: I agree 100% with you on this.

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^So wait, only private stuff Origin doesn't look at?


Then WTF is with privacy invasion drama?!


People assuming the worst because of the terms of the EULA, which suck. I played around with it and watched what it did in Process Monitor.  It's definitely getting directory listings, mostly from the ProgramData folder, but that's pretty much it.  It's not actually opening any files other than its own. Not on my system anyway.  Nor is it transmitting much data (I ran a packet sniffer on it for awhile).  After startup, its network traffic is just some keep-alive requests to Amazon Web Services every few seconds, unless you actually do something like browse the store. 

During startup, most of it appears to be the login routine, exchanges of a couple Versign certificates, and downloading a few small xml and html files. In terms of bytes, the bulk of traffic is stuff received, not sent.  I didn't try to add up all the sent packets (because a lot of them are just protocol overhead like handshakes and such), but the largest one sent upstream that I saw was all of 453 bytes, and it's not like a constant stream of packets that large. Most are much smaller, and often just stuff like HTTP GET requests. 

So what's it sending?  Don't know. Very well could be stuff like what apps of interest to them you've got installed (or had installed.  A lot of programs leave crap sitting in ProgramData after you've uninstalled them). Whatever it is, though, it's not much.


No offense,  but I really have to start questioning your motives here.

You admit you've witnessed it mapping your directories,  but you claim we're over-reacting because it didn't send anything.

But you betray a high level of understanding and skill.  So you would be aware that it's going to await a "Report" command from the server before returning data,  because constantly transmitting that information would waste terrific amounts of bandwidth to receive duplicate data.

Origin doesn't need to continuously transmit the map,  it'll be waiting for the report command to be issued,  highly likely on a rolling basis so the server doesn't suddenly get barraged by a massive amount of systems suddenly all transmitting directory maps.

The most efficient method of accumulating the data would be to query 1/30th of the total number of accounts each day,  as they come on,  such that they all update once a month.  Keep a list of all systems that haven't updated in the last 30 days,  as systems come on,  pick them off until you've queried 1/30th,  then wait until the next day,  repeating with an ever shrinking list.  Run a job at 4am on Saturdays or Sundays to repopulate the list with any system that hasn't reported in the last 30 days.

So what's going to happen when "Report" is issued?  Nothing in any of EA's games need a map of your program files directory to function.  What's it going to do with that data?

There's only one use for that data,  to transmit back to EA at some specified time of their choice.

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

I ask a very simple question.  What will you when they stop making discs and have to download everything?  


IF  they stop selling games on discs, then I will stop buying games.  Simple as that.

So should everyone else.


Just wanted to clarify that this quote is not from me, it's from ladyvader. I just quoted her myself two pages ago. For the record: I agree 100% with you on this.


You are correct.  I screwed up the quote tags trying to post a reply to her post without finding it (since these forums don't have a "traceback" capacity on quoted posts).  I will edit my post to fix the attribution.

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Gatt9 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^So wait, only private stuff Origin doesn't look at?


Then WTF is with privacy invasion drama?!


People assuming the worst because of the terms of the EULA, which suck. I played around with it and watched what it did in Process Monitor.  It's definitely getting directory listings, mostly from the ProgramData folder, but that's pretty much it.  It's not actually opening any files other than its own. Not on my system anyway.  Nor is it transmitting much data (I ran a packet sniffer on it for awhile).  After startup, its network traffic is just some keep-alive requests to Amazon Web Services every few seconds, unless you actually do something like browse the store. 

During startup, most of it appears to be the login routine, exchanges of a couple Versign certificates, and downloading a few small xml and html files. In terms of bytes, the bulk of traffic is stuff received, not sent.  I didn't try to add up all the sent packets (because a lot of them are just protocol overhead like handshakes and such), but the largest one sent upstream that I saw was all of 453 bytes, and it's not like a constant stream of packets that large. Most are much smaller, and often just stuff like HTTP GET requests. 

So what's it sending?  Don't know. Very well could be stuff like what apps of interest to them you've got installed (or had installed.  A lot of programs leave crap sitting in ProgramData after you've uninstalled them). Whatever it is, though, it's not much.


No offense,  but I really have to start questioning your motives here.

You admit you've witnessed it mapping your directories,  but you claim we're over-reacting because it didn't send anything.

But you betray a high level of understanding and skill.  So you would be aware that it's going to await a "Report" command from the server before returning data,  because constantly transmitting that information would waste terrific amounts of bandwidth to receive duplicate data.

Origin doesn't need to continuously transmit the map,  it'll be waiting for the report command to be issued,  highly likely on a rolling basis so the server doesn't suddenly get barraged by a massive amount of systems suddenly all transmitting directory maps.

The most efficient method of accumulating the data would be to query 1/30th of the total number of accounts each day,  as they come on,  such that they all update once a month.  Keep a list of all systems that haven't updated in the last 30 days,  as systems come on,  pick them off until you've queried 1/30th,  then wait until the next day,  repeating with an ever shrinking list.  Run a job at 4am on Saturdays or Sundays to repopulate the list with any system that hasn't reported in the last 30 days.

So what's going to happen when "Report" is issued?  Nothing in any of EA's games need a map of your program files directory to function.  What's it going to do with that data?

There's only one use for that data,  to transmit back to EA at some specified time of their choice.


Hell, they don't even need to send all the data at the same time from each user, but can fragment it up in lesser parts to make it less likely that sending will get interupted (and thereby corrupted) by the user turning off the program during transmissions.