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[ColorMeSuprised]

Even the Swiss and Austria newspapers started writing articles about Origin. This is just great!

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:20 .

[Gabey5]

D.Kain wrote...

I don't get WHY companies want users to register, or play online, or have some kind of spyware.

to combat piracy but pirates will find a way around it and this will just inconvience players who buy the game legitimately.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

ladyvader wrote...
You can do everything possible to keep your PC safe, but in truth it isn't. 

True, but if that is the only place yhou can download the game, do you not stop gaming?  Disc versions of games will go away in the future.

I know this is grave-digging a little bit, but I wanted to say something. Yes, if some world-renowned hacker tries to break into your PC remotely, the only thing you can do to stop it is unplug your ethernet cable (but you wouldn't notice the hack in the first place). But from average data-mining, you absolutely CAN protect yourself.

Your knowledge of the scope of gaming is so limited. There are games I could play for the rest of my life and still have fun, there are ameteur games, there are mods, there are physical games (Nintendo will probably always make them). My gaming collection is such that if I stopped buying games now, I'd still be perfectly happy. I play new games because I want to. If BioWare and EA are going to take a dump on me for trying out their new games, I simply won't play them.

[Kroepoek]

The EU has a hairy trigger when it comes to privacy matters. Once they get wind of Origin spying on your computer for more then what it should, they can expect a few polite calls from the EU.
They did the same with Facebook until they changed it.

Who's not to say EA sells your scanned data to 3rd parties.

[D.Kain]

Gabey5 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I don't get WHY companies want users to register, or play online, or have some kind of spyware.

to combat piracy but pirates will find a way around it and this will just inconvience players who buy the game legitimately.

Well yes, you can't battle piracy with more official stuff. lol 

I don't think there are ways to battle piracy at all. 

Is batteling piracy the only reason?

Modifié par D.Kain, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:42 .

[DNRB]

D.Kain wrote...

I don't get WHY companies want users to register, or play online, or have some kind of spyware.

Information is power. Also, monyzzz.

[D.Kain]

BRND wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I don't get WHY companies want users to register, or play online, or have some kind of spyware.

Information is power. Also, monyzzz.

Are bioware working for iluminati? 

[Alpha Zen]

Well..... they are working for/are a part of EA, who knows who's behind them.

[Kekkis]

Alpha Zen wrote...

Well..... they are working for/are a part of EA, who knows who's behind them.

Army of bureaucrats, who have lost their touch to reality years ago. Same as any large company or government.

[DNRB]

D.Kain wrote...

BRND wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I don't get WHY companies want users to register, or play online, or have some kind of spyware.

Information is power. Also, monyzzz.

Are bioware working for iluminati? 

You know it:wizard:

Nah, but the more a company knows abouts it's consumers, the easier it is to sell stuff. Not that ea would do something that really crosses the ethical line with all the information themselves, but don't forget that they can sell it to anyone. Or can be hacked by any government (yes, US and European governments too).

Modifié par BRND, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Ieldra]

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
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*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:27 .

[MartinDN]

Its not about combatting piracy at all, even ea knows they cant do much about piracy, but it wont stop them trying, the sole and single reason is profits - and market share but they will use the excuse of piracy to push this service, think of it as internet censorship to combat child abuse with ulterior motives.

At this current moment the way bioware as handled this and the way EA has been pushing this client, i am disinclined to giving them my money and very close to breaking my strict moral code on piracy, very close indeed.

Modifié par MartinDN, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:14 .

[Reever]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
----
*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

I wholeheartedly agree with your whole post!!!
And the bolded part is something I thought about and discussed about as well! "No, we don´t want any health care insurance, but EA, you surely are welcome to look at our private info - you´re not our state, so why should we be suspicious?!" <_<

[Aeowyn]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
----
*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

Good post, and apart from the bolded part, I agree completely. Should Origin be required for the retail version of ME3, my Shepard's story will end with ME2.

[Feanor_II]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

Nailed.

[Gabey5]

[DownyTif]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Even the Swiss and Austria newspapers started writing articles about Origin. This is just great!

Any links? I want to see!!

[D.Kain]

 Gabey :lol:

[ironman001]

There are 22 moderators this topic has 37 pages and more then 900 replies and more then 9600 views and even once any of them say anything to as great job guys there are bravo for me to you that is best example of how you show treat your fans( for those that not notice i'm sarcastic).
If you can't answer are question i even say it one more time because maybe your forgotten:
Will Mass Effect 3 will required Origin to play single player?
If you can't answer this then say to as ho can if even Senior Vice President, EA(Ray Muzyka ) can't answer that then ho can i don't have mail to EA President:)
PS. Gabey5  this is great i can't stop laughing:)

Modifié par ironman001, 31 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[Fredvdp]

Ieldra2 wrote...

*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)

You can play Origin games offline. I downloaded Dragon Age Origins from Origin. Just double-click the executable.

[ColorMeSuprised]

DownyTif wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Even the Swiss and Austria newspapers started writing articles about Origin. This is just great!

Any links? I want to see!!

NZZ - Zurich
derStandard.at - Austria
kurier.at - Austria
n-TV - Germany

There are a few more. I will post them late. Don't have much time right now.

[D.Kain]

Fredvdp wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)

You can play Origin games offline. I downloaded Dragon Age Origins from Origin. Just double-click the executable.

Or you can download a properly patched executable and not install origin. 

[Ieldra]

Feanor_II wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

Nailed.

If I may post a pertinent quote by the so-called "father of modern economy and capitalism", Adam Smith:

"To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers…The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it."
-- The Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI, Conclusion

Apparently Mr.Smith was a little more aware of where to place your suspicion than his modern epigones.

[Metalunatic]

Neurotics wrote...

The joys of the console. No need for intrusive software such as Origin.

Amen.