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[D.Kain]

Metalunatic wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

The joys of the console. No need for intrusive software such as Origin.

Amen.

The only problem is, that I can't play a console in the park, or college, or at the beach, etc. But that's just me. 

[ColorMeSuprised]

Aeowyn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
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*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

Good post, and apart from the bolded part, I agree completely. Should Origin be required for the retail version of ME3, my Shepard's story will end with ME2.

Agree.

[Illiandri]

Laws in the US seem to be a bit antiquetated. They don't seem to follow the flow of modern technological progress as we do in Europe. The US lawmakers need to stop worrying about any possible infrigements the state might place and start looking at infrigements performed by the private sector. Regulation is required in that sector and no it will not stop them creating jobs. For a country that seems to be proud of its freedom you do seem to enjoy being dictated by the coorporations.

Btw Origin can be played offline. I do it all the time.

[Illiandri]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
----
*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

Good post, and apart from the bolded part, I agree completely. Should Origin be required for the retail version of ME3, my Shepard's story will end with ME2.

Agree.

So for you I assume Gordon Freeman's story ended with Half Life and Half Life 2 never happened?

[DownyTif]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Even the Swiss and Austria newspapers started writing articles about Origin. This is just great!

Any links? I want to see!!

NZZ - Zurich
derStandard.at - Austria
kurier.at - Austria
n-TV - Germany

There are a few more. I will post them late. Don't have much time right now.

Thanks! I have no idea what they are saying though. Does it support our cause?

[Osiris273]

^What if Origin is required to be logged in, like BF3?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

Nailed.

If I may post a pertinent quote by the so-called "father of modern economy and capitalism", Adam Smith:

"To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers…The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it."
-- The Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI, Conclusion

Apparently Mr.Smith was a little more aware of where to place your suspicion than his modern epigones.

Excellent quote.  Thank you for posting that. 

[Illiandri]

I always start the games from the Origin launcher so I technically log in to my account offline just like with steam. I hate having too many shortcuts and fences.

[WolfForce99]

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

Modifié par WolfForce99, 31 octobre 2011 - 03:41 .

[Deathwurm]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

As unbeilevable as it seems, there are still some of us that don't own a Console, don't have the money to get one, and wouldn't buy one just to get around EA's terrible Origin EULA even if we did.

[Aeowyn]

Illiandri wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
----
*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

I will buy ME3. I am too much invested in the story. But should Origin be required for retail versions and should it be more intrusive than Steam, then this will be the last EA game I buy.

Good post, and apart from the bolded part, I agree completely. Should Origin be required for the retail version of ME3, my Shepard's story will end with ME2.

Agree.

So for you I assume Gordon Freeman's story ended with Half Life and Half Life 2 never happened?

Never played either of those games so I don't really see the point you're trying to make.

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

If I've already spent a good amount of money on a good gaming PC, why should I have to spend more money to buy a console because EA decided that they don't give a damn about the privacy laws in the EU?

[ebevan91]

I honestly don't have a problem with Origin, because I've bought plenty of cheap games from there.

I also play BF3 on PC.

Another thing, Origin isn't the only "intrusive" program on your PC.

Microsoft/Windows tracks things you do, so does your ISP. even Steam does it. I think people are just biased when it comes to that sort of thing.

[Aeowyn]

ebevan91 wrote...

I honestly don't have a problem with Origin, because I've bought plenty of cheap games from there.

I also play BF3 on PC.

Another thing, Origin isn't the only "intrusive" program on your PC.

Microsoft/Windows tracks things you do, so does your ISP. even Steam does it. I think people are just biased when it comes to that sort of thing.

Feel free to read the posts in this thread. This subject has been discussed many times, esp. Origin and Steam and it has been proven many times that Steam's "intrustion" is nothing compared to what Origin does.  

[Michel1986]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

Why not pirate the game ??? Origin is not required if you use a crack

If EA want's to **** users we can **** them too.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I kinda have to install Windows for some of what I need to do with my PC.

I don't need anything that will require Origin.

And I do have a firewall, and a couple layers of other protection, and a router, and so on, use the InPrivate Filter in IE, etc, etc, etc, to keep things as controlled as possible.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Illiandri wrote...
So for you I assume Gordon Freeman's story ended with Half Life and Half Life 2 never happened?

Have never played those games.

DownyTif wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Even the Swiss and Austria newspapers started writing articles about Origin. This is just great!

Any links? I want to see!!

NZZ - Zurich
derStandard.at - Austria
kurier.at - Austria
n-TV - Germany

There are a few more. I will post them late. Don't have much time right now.

Thanks! I have no idea what they are saying though. Does it support our cause?

Yes, it does.

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

1) Don't have the money for a console
2) Don't want to play on a console
3) All my ME1&2 saves are on the PC and I will not start all these saves AGAIN (should be 1) XD) 
4) PC games are already a ceasing race and this makes it even worse
5) This is bullying on part of EA - this is anacceptable. Period.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:02 .

[Aaleel]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

I have a console I could play it on, but why would I buy ME3 on console to finish the game with the default story.  If I can't finish the story I started back in ME1 and carried through until now, what's the point?

I'm at the point of if Origin is required to activate only, fine.  But if it's an always on thing it's a no sale. 

Edit: And also I built this PC to play any PC relesed game I'm interested in.

Modifié par Aaleel, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:02 .

[billy the squid]

ebevan91 wrote...

I honestly don't have a problem with Origin, because I've bought plenty of cheap games from there.

I also play BF3 on PC.

Another thing, Origin isn't the only "intrusive" program on your PC.

Microsoft/Windows tracks things you do, so does your ISP. even Steam does it. I think people are just biased when it comes to that sort of thing.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Aaleel wrote...

I have a console I could play it on, but why would I buy ME3 on console to finish the game with the default story.  If I can't finish the story I started back in ME1 and carried through until now, what's the point?

I'm at the point of if Origin is required to activate only, fine.  But if it's an always on thing it's a no sale. 

Edit: And also I built this PC to play any PC relesed game I'm interested in.

/sign

A little bit random, but: It that your Shep? She looks really good! Do you have the face code? 

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .

[Feanor_II]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I'm beginning to wonder - EA is an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

Nailed.

If I may post a pertinent quote by the so-called "father of modern economy and capitalism", Adam Smith:

"To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers…The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it."
-- The Wealth Of Nations, Book I, Chapter XI, Conclusion

Apparently Mr.Smith was a little more aware of where to place your suspicion than his modern epigones.

Oh yes, Mr. Smith's words have been so manipulated and twisted, his "modern epigones" aonly take the part that interest them from him works and try to hide that that they don't like

Modifié par Feanor_II, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:07 .

[TheRealJayDee]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

I own a PS3, many great exclusives. I also played ME and ME2 on the PC, and want to continue my Shepards' stories on the PC. If I can't, because it requires Origin, I won't. Simple as that. I'm not going to give EA money for chasing me away from a certain gaming platform.

Seriously, everyone suggesting we should just buy a console, or have both a pure gaming and a working/private PC really don't seem to see what the problem is. We, the gamers, the consumers, should not need to take actions like that to protect our privacy, when all we want to do is to play a game (!!) we legally purchased (!!). That is just beyond absurd.

[Fredvdp]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

Different standards. I personally want to play ME3 at 1080p and 60fps. Consoles are limited to 720p and 30fps. Other than that there's the load times and all other things PC gamers use as fuel against console gaming.

Modifié par Fredvdp, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:11 .

[SalsaDMA]

WolfForce99 wrote...

If so many of you are so concerned about Origin. Why not just buy a console and play ME3 on a console, like the Xbox 360 or PS3?

I got a gaming rig that far exceeds what the consoles can do, and you're asking me to downgrade my entertainement system because the publisher of some entertainement products is trying illegal stuff on the PC platform?

sorry, I'd rather not support the copmany AT ALL under those circumstances, and get my entertainement products elsewhere. It's not like there is a shortage of of games being produced for the PC platform that DOESN'T mean supporting such illegal activities.

[Illiandri]

Never played Half Life? Never experienced the great ****storm of 04? LOL amateurs. That was glorious, epic, awesome! "VALVE MAKING US INSTALL THEIR CRAPPY PRODUCT!!!! GABE NEEDS MORE MONEY FOR HIS PIES THE FAT ****" Those were the days......

In the end what happened? We got a platform that offered an alternative to brick and mortar and that many here will defend to the death.

Also PC is not dying. Whoever says that is ridiculous. We keep getting exclusives and are many times the leading platform for games that value themselves such as Battlefield 3 and Skyrim.

Epipleon Steam is as intrusive as Origin but simply has a do not want button and for that it has earned my respect.

In addition where does it say that what Valve and EA has done is illegal in the US law? In the European law it is and that it why they can't do it but where does it say that in the US law. All this whining makes you sound like the vocal minorities in Greece. Why don't you burn something to show your displeasure insteas of actively ensuring this "violation" is challenged? Armchair complainers

Modifié par Illiandri, 31 octobre 2011 - 04:27 .

[Aeowyn]

Illiandri wrote...

Epipleon Steam is as intrusive as Origin but simply has a do not want button and for that it has earned my respect.

From a few pages back:

DownyTif wrote...

casadechrisso wrote...

http://www.gamefaqs....ield-3/60145714

Addendum: Out of curiosity's sake I've also done a quick test of Steam. Aside from accessing some system stuff Steam did not access anything else like the ProgramData folder (except for checking some bin files in Nvidia) or other game's folders.

It also mostly stayed out of other program's folders although it did access a dll in the FileZilla FTP Client folder and a couple of bin files in Nvidia's folder in the ProgramData folder. Keep in mind that I didn't check every little thing Steam did, only the (IMO) obvious stuff.

It also accessed the Start MenuPrograms folder and the Desktop folder but only to perform a basic query which provides the following info: CreationTime, LastAccessTime, LastWriteTime, ChangeTime, FileAttributes (just had RHDNCI for mine)

Within the registry it accessed quite a bit of system and steam/valve stuff. It did not access the keys mentioned in my first post that are commonly used by the system to list the programs installed on the computer.

Now that we've also laid to rest that Steam and Origin are NOT the same thing I think I might actually play a game now  

On the second page, another nice post:

A person on the EA forums had a concern about Steam scanning your software and hardware when accessing help and system info in Steam so I performed another test and posted the results in this forum for those interested (wish I could rename the topic title to include Steam now) and in EA's forums.

I opened up Steam once more with Process Monitor running and found that it did not really access other program's folders and registry settings outside of what I mentioned in my first post. The only other thing I noticed was that it did a basic query on the Program Files (x86)Common Files folder but remember that that only reveals the following info: CreationTime, LastAccessTime, LastWriteTime, ChangeTime, FileAttributes (just had DNCI for mine).

Registry access was the same as my first post, however I did also notice that steam accessed various AppCompatFlagsLayers keys which show compatibility modes to be used for certain executables which is rather odd I must admit. Looks like if you have a program running in compatibility mode then Steam will find out about it although I don't see what use that info would be to them as Steam did not look into the executable files or info related to them any further.

After clearing the results I went into help and system info within Steam and saw that it accessed another bunch of files and registry entries. It didn't access other software's folder's except for Nvidia and it accessed its own folder as well as some system stuff.

Its registry access showed Steam accessing system stuff but it didn't access registry keys for other software except for the following collection of keys to find out what other software was installed on the system:
HKLMSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionUninstall

When the System Information dialogue was opened and then closed I didn't see an increase in Internet utilization from Steam.

There you go, I can't say with 100% certainty but from what I've seen the following seems apparent:

-Steam will access registry keys which show what compatibility modes have been set for executables (if the exes don't have compatibility info then the program isn't listed in AppCompatFlagsLayers it seems)

-Steam will only learn about other installed programs when accessing the aforementioned collection of registry keys when you open the system info dialog, but since it doesn't appear to exchange more info with the servers it looks like it doesn't relay the info to them but I can't be certain

-Steam will not delve further into details about the other software that has been installed after checking the aforementioned registry keys

In short if you don't want Steam to learn about other installed programs then don't open its system info dialog


So no, Steam is not like Origin.

Afaik, Steam conducts surveys twice or more every year to see what kind of hardware their users have. They choose the user PCs they want to scan at random, and before that scan happens the user is notified, in which they can choose to opt out of it.
Someone mentioned a few pages back that Origin starts scanning your PC before you've even accepted the EULA.