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[MarauderESP]

well u see that eula, if they say they would take data of their products that is fine, they don´t need to know what i have installed or uninstalled in my pc or what i purchase or where do i surf on the net or how many times do i opend WORD for a example, the mentioned earlier is what a spyware do, so no thanks, ill wait a bit till a NO ORIGIN crack shows up then ill get the game, unfortunatly i cant do that with BF3 its a shame... 

and i dont have steam or facebook or whatever other programs that need other info than the progam itself

edit : 1 more thing, i dont like the way they are handleing this , its something like "do it like i say or get the hell out of here" , they could always put the option of asking if u want to share the data, but u know why the dont ask and force it that is becouse the 90% of the peole will say NO.

Modifié par MarauderESP, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[LuciferSam_86]

I wish to pre-order Mass Effect 3 on Origin. When the game it's out, i'll have even a Online Pass or should buy it?

[Dariuszp]

You can always do the same thing that people done with Facebook.

On your request they need to SEND YOU ANY DATA THEY HAVE ABOUT YOU. Everything. ON CD/DVD :-D

So you can know exacly what they know about you. Some rapports about facebook profiles have more than 100 pages !.

[MarauderESP]

Dariuszp wrote...

You can always do the same thing that people done with Facebook.

On your request they need to SEND YOU ANY DATA THEY HAVE ABOUT YOU. Everything. ON CD/DVD :-D

So you can know exacly what they know about you. Some rapports about facebook profiles have more than 100 pages !.

that is why im not interested in those, im an old fashioned "go drink with friends in the bar"

[Bogsnot1]

Aliens Crew wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

@billy: Did you not read ME2's EULA, or the posts on this page? It contains the same thing, as I already pointed out.

As I posted above: The ME 2 EULA doesn't contains the terminus "software".

Are you really that blind? Here it is again.

ME2 EULA
To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates, any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliates may also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Anything can fall under the term "application software" the same way thaht it can fall under the term "software".

But please tell me, why you are fighting here BioWares battle, when you do not working for them?

Because someone has to fight against the wave of bulls**t and ignorance that you seem to be intent on spreading.

I'm assuming from your sig that you are german, yes? I happen to know that both the German government, and EU, are quite concerned about any T&C's in any software that might infringe upon the rights of its citizens. I also happen to know that thus far, there has not been a word from them in regards to this EULA.
Given EA's position within the software publishing industry and being one of the biggest around, you would think that there would have been some rumblings of discontent from thoise directions. They remain remarkably quite about it.

If you are that concerned about it, I suggest you take it up with the relevant Privacy Commisioner within your own goverment, or with the EU themselves. Remember, it wasnt user grumbling that forced places like Facebook to change its T&C's, but government intervention.

[Bogsnot1]

MarauderESP wrote...

well u see that eula, if they say they would take data of their products that is fine, they don´t need to know what i have installed or uninstalled in my pc or what i purchase or where do i surf on the net or how many times do i opend WORD for a example, the mentioned earlier is what a spyware do, so no thanks, ill wait a bit till a NO ORIGIN crack shows up then ill get the game, unfortunatly i cant do that with BF3 its a shame... 

and i dont have steam or facebook or whatever other programs that need other info than the progam itself

You do have ME2 though. The clause you are concerned about in Origin, is present in the ME2 EULA, as I have pointed out a few times now.

[Bogsnot1]

LuciferSam_86 wrote...

I wish to pre-order Mass Effect 3 on Origin. When the game it's out, i'll have even a Online Pass or should buy it?

The "Online Pass" is simply ME3's version of the Cerberus Network that was present in ME2. It will cmoe free with all new copies of the game.

[MarauderESP]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

well u see that eula, if they say they would take data of their products that is fine, they don´t need to know what i have installed or uninstalled in my pc or what i purchase or where do i surf on the net or how many times do i opend WORD for a example, the mentioned earlier is what a spyware do, so no thanks, ill wait a bit till a NO ORIGIN crack shows up then ill get the game, unfortunatly i cant do that with BF3 its a shame... 

and i dont have steam or facebook or whatever other programs that need other info than the progam itself

You do have ME2 though. The clause you are concerned about in Origin, is present in the ME2 EULA, as I have pointed out a few times now.

i know, that is why i have it C****** , and blocked by the antivirus so no harm

edit: thanks forgot that rule, my fault

Modifié par MarauderESP, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:18 .

[Bogsnot1]

^ I wouldnt admit to that on the forums, as it tends to get your entire post editted by one of the mods (violation of rule 7), even though you are legit game owner.

Trust me, I know from experience.  

[Aliens Crew]

It is funny, that you call me ignorant, Bogsnot1. You, the guy, who throw me out of "his" thread! If someone here is ignorant when it is BioWare who ignores us since this discussion started.

And you fight for the rigths of an enterprise like EA, because they are not able to do it by themselves? That is funny too.

And it seems that you not see that the applications are also listed in the Origin EULA beside this not specify "software".

[Rabenkopf]

Dariuszp wrote...

You can always do the same thing that people done with Facebook.

On your request they need to SEND YOU ANY DATA THEY HAVE ABOUT YOU. Everything. ON CD/DVD :-D

So you can know exacly what they know about you. Some rapports about facebook profiles have more than 100 pages !.

it is intersting that you point out this topic. Actually there is a huge scandal about facebook. A jura student of Austria
had used this right. The result of this: 1200 ISO A4 sites of data, after 3 years of using facebook. There were things which he deleted earlier, too. And the most interesting thing of this: Facebook don´t want to give all the data, because of some minor firm policy. The irish juristic ministry must handle this now..

Modifié par Not_Zero, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:18 .

[Bogsnot1]

Aliens Crew wrote...
It is funny, that you call me ignorant, Bogsnot1. You, the guy, who throw me out of "his" thread! If someone here is ignorant when it is BioWare who ignores us since this discussion started.

I "threw" you out of the Co-op FAQ for good reason, as you wanted to turn it into an general discussion about Origin, which was not the threads purpose. The fact that you cannot seem to understand this simple point of reasoning is truly amazing, and it explains why you cannot understand that while the exact workding betwen the ME2 and Origin EULA are different, the purpose and functionality remain identical.
Your question about whether Origin will be required for ME3 has been answered already in the various T&C's that have been posted in this thread. Thus it is not me who is ignorant, but you, for you have been ignoring what has been written time and again. 

And you fight for the rigths of an enterprise like EA, because they are not able to do it by themselves? That is funny too.

I am not fighting for their rights, they have an army of lawyers to do that for them.
I am fighting against ignorance, stupidity and FUD. If you cant tell the difference, then you are more ignorant than I first thought. The fact that you find it amusing, is truly sad.

And it seems that you not see that the applications are also listed in the Origin EULA beside this not specify "software".

It states "Application usage", not "software application". You have failed yet again in your efforts to comprehend the written language.

Edit: Updated with link to ME3's T&C's which indicate Origin will be required.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:35 .

[Dariuszp]

I'm pointing this out because this apply to ANY company that gather personal information. So you can know EXACLY what EA know about you.
Remember also that most companies like EA or Facebook NEVER delete your data. They just replace them and log info about changes.
So if you even once you write something down - it will be there forever

[MarauderESP]

Dariuszp wrote...

I'm pointing this out because this apply to ANY company that gather personal information. So you can know EXACLY what EA know about you.
Remember also that most companies like EA or Facebook NEVER delete your data. They just replace them and log info about changes.
So if you even once you write something down - it will be there forever

NO NO NO

i had to do it sorry

[billy the squid]

Origins differs in some respects.
ME2 EULA, (3) (ii)


To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates,any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you,including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliatesmay also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Which is different from
Origin EULA (2) (ii)

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

Identifying what I have in terms of software and hardware on my computer and how it interacts with EA software is fine, they can even moniter my internet activity if they really want. Origin moniters how and what I use the applications for and the associated data, not just identifying the software and the application.

As to Steam, I'm not an advocate of their terms either, but it restricts the identification to software and hardware that interacts with steam only. Origin doesn't, that is the exessive nature, beyond what was previously established.

Modifié par billy the squid, 13 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .

[MarauderESP]

billy the squid wrote...

Origins differs in some respects.
ME2 EULA, (3) (ii)


To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates,any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you,including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliatesmay also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Which is different from
Origin EULA (2) (ii)

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

Identifying what I have in terms of software and hardware on my computer and how it interacts with EA software is fine, they can even moniter my internet activity if they really want. Origin moniters how and what I use the applications for and the associated data, not just identifying the software and the application.

As to Steam, I'm not an advocate of their terms either, but it restricts the identification to software and hardware that interacts with steam only. Origin doesn't, that is the exessive nature, beyond what was previously established.

and this is why i dont want it , i goes far more than needed

[Zhijn]

Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple.
And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware by "legal" means.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

Modifié par Zhijn, 13 octobre 2011 - 12:26 .

[Maeshone]

Zhijn wrote...

Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple. And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

Except as Bogsnot has been pointing out, Mass Effect 2 came with pretty much exactly the same terms in their EULA, yet that was ok for you?

[Robhuzz]

MarauderESP wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Origins differs in some respects.
ME2 EULA, (3) (ii)


To facilitate Technical Protection Measures, the provision of software updates,any dynamically served content, product support and other services to you,including online play, you agree that EA and its affiliates may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including an Internet Protocol Address and hardware identification), operating system and application software and peripheral hardware. EA and its affiliatesmay also share anonymous aggregate data with our third party service providers.

Which is different from
Origin EULA (2) (ii)

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects nonpersonally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you. The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.

Identifying what I have in terms of software and hardware on my computer and how it interacts with EA software is fine, they can even moniter my internet activity if they really want. Origin moniters how and what I use the applications for and the associated data, not just identifying the software and the application.

As to Steam, I'm not an advocate of their terms either, but it restricts the identification to software and hardware that interacts with steam only. Origin doesn't, that is the exessive nature, beyond what was previously established.

and this is why i dont want it , i goes far more than needed

Indeed. Guess what EA. Whatever software I use on my pc is none of your damn business. Also identifying my pc to be able to link all the information they gathered to a certain pc goes WAY too far in my book.<_<

[billy the squid]

Maeshone wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple. And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

Except as Bogsnot has been pointing out, Mass Effect 2 came with pretty much exactly the same terms in their EULA, yet that was ok for you?

A contradiction in terms is it not? It either is exactly that, or it isn't. Look at both, one deals with identification, the other with identification and usage of any and all software.

[Maeshone]

billy the squid wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple. And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

Except as Bogsnot has been pointing out, Mass Effect 2 came with pretty much exactly the same terms in their EULA, yet that was ok for you?

A contradiction in terms is it not? It either is exactly that, or it isn't. Look at both, one deals with identification, the other with identification and usage of any and all software.

Let me rephrase then, "pretty much the same". And I know the difference, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to Origins EULA being called and invasion of privacy while Mass Effect 2's EULA was not

[billy the squid]

Maeshone wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Maeshone wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple. And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

Except as Bogsnot has been pointing out, Mass Effect 2 came with pretty much exactly the same terms in their EULA, yet that was ok for you?

A contradiction in terms is it not? It either is exactly that, or it isn't. Look at both, one deals with identification, the other with identification and usage of any and all software.

Let me rephrase then, "pretty much the same". And I know the difference, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to Origins EULA being called and invasion of privacy while Mass Effect 2's EULA was not

So your point is that if one EULA is acceptable to a degree, then all are, no matter how excessive the terms contained can be. As the inital EULA was deemed acceptable, even if it pushed the boundaries? It is a competely arbitrary line of thinking, considering everything revolves around matters of degree, not a definitive it is and it isn't.

[Bogsnot1]

OK, So one identifies what you have, the other identifies what you have and how you use it. So I've decided to do some more investigation.

Just installed Origin (new user accuont, restore point created before I went ahead). During install, Origin asks if you want it to automatically load during startup.
No: No files are loaded during startup, either via system files or registry entries. This means Origin cannot track what you do, only what you have.
Yes: Origin's software is active, and any "spyware mode" it has is watching you.

Once you have finished gaming, close Origin and it stops "spying" on you.

Zhijn wrote...
Origin is an invasion of privacy, plain and simple. And as it dosnt offer an opt-out choice to the user it can there for easily be compared to spyware.

Just because its EA and they got a fancy EULA saying what the software will do dosnt make it OK to data mine your entire system. Especially since you got no choice but to use their software to play their games.

The big difference is that it does have an opt-out that separates it from spyware. You decide to install it. No, it doesnt make it OK, but lets face it, noone is forcing you to either install the software, or even purchase their products.

For the record, I'm not a fan of it either. The difference is, I'm not raging with severe butthurt because a company is doing something I dont like. There are several legal ways to get around the "creepy behaviour" of Origin, ranging from setting up a virtual machine on your PC, different user accounts, different partitions and the like.
If you dont like it, you either go without, or deal with it in your own manner.

Steams T&C's are, for intents and purposes, identical to Origins. The difference is;
Steam: Vague about what they are doing, very clear on the reasons why.
Origin: Clear on what they are doing, vague on the reasons why.

[Aliens Crew]

If the EULA of Origin is the same as the EULA of ME 2 & DA2, when why asked me DA2 to accept the new EULA since a couple of weeks?

It doesn't makes any sense if you are right, Bogsnot1, does it?

[Icinix]

Meh.

Steam, Origin, UbiSoft Online, Microsoft online.

They're all the same.

They're all ****.

Bring on the good old NO-CDesque ....er.....patch.