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[Homey C-Dawg]

I really hope retail doesn't use origin (even though I think it will). I don't want to see ME3 get 1-starred into oblivion.

[ColorMeSuprised]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I really hope retail doesn't use origin (even though I think it will). I don't want to see ME3 get 1-starred into oblivion.

My heart will bleed but if this is the only option, I will accept it.

[anzolino]

@Feanor_II, thats right, especially there is now some funny sentence like this:
"The application doesn't retrieve any data or collects data like images, documents or other personally data at all, which are not in connection with the performance of the application on your system." (Translated freely from German)

And then I look at the screenshots and I think: What are they thinking about me?
They have to stop this scan through all folders! The Origin path is known in the registry, there is no reason to scan all folders to find the configuration files or whatever.

[MDT1]

Origin made it even into ZDF heute, one of the main news broadcasts here, just saw it on TV. ^^

Modifié par MDT1, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:33 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

MDT1 wrote...

Origin made it even into ZDF heute, one of the main news broadcasts here. ^^

Yeah. I just watched it. Wasn't even half bad, same as RTL2. I'm surprised but really glad.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I have to wonder if the amount of money they make from sharing (selling) customer information is really enough to validate the amount of bad publicity and lost sales. Trying to peep into peoples computers must be lucrative if they are still trying to re-word things so they can continue, as opposed to just stopping with the intrusion altogether.

[MDT1]

I guess they didn't expect this amount of outrage and if you compare it with steam it doesn't look that absurd to hope nobody will notice.
True, while steam doesn't go that far the discusson ist still minimal.
Most people like Valve while they expect only the worst from EA, but honestly, EA did anything they could to earn this reputation.

Modifié par MDT1, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:46 .

[PaulSX]

Although I do prefer Steam, but Origin is not that bad. I tried Origin yesterday, as far as I concern they only scan register entries and program data folder. so it's really not that a big deal as most criticizers said.

[Homey C-Dawg]

MDT1 wrote...

I guess they didn't expect this amount of outrage and if you compare it with steam it doesn't look that absurd to hope nobody will notice.
True, while steam doesn't go that far the discusson ist still minimal.
Most people like Valve while they expect only the worst from EA, but honestly, EA did anything they could to earn this reputation.

It does seem like every time EA copies designs for a new gun they shoot themselves in the foot with it.

Some of Priestly's comments recently in this and other threads makes me wonder if the Bioware team might actually be arguing with EA against Origin, since they can obviously see what kind of response it's getting and I can't imagine they want people judging ME3 purely off of Origin like people are doing with BF3. That or I'm just reading what I want out of his comments.

[ColorMeSuprised]

MDT1 wrote...

Most people like Valve while they expect only the worst from EA, but honestly, EA did anything they could to earn this reputation.

Which is admittedly a very difficult job and takes years to establish.

At least for this reputation you have to applaud EA: I trust them less than my own government.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 31 octobre 2011 - 11:56 .

[TheRealJayDee]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Origin made it even into ZDF heute, one of the main news broadcasts here. ^^

Yeah. I just watched it. Wasn't even half bad, same as RTL2. I'm surprised but really glad.

Saw about half of it. EA must be extremly happy with this media coverage, from here on they'll have a hard time getting an even more well-known and reputable news broadcast to call their precious Origin spyware.

[Homey C-Dawg]

suntzuxi wrote...

Although I do prefer Steam, but Origin is not that bad. I tried Origin yesterday, as far as I concern they only scan register entries and program data folder. so it's really not that a big deal as most criticizers said.

Thats what people are complaining about.

[ColorMeSuprised]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Origin made it even into ZDF heute, one of the main news broadcasts here. ^^

Yeah. I just watched it. Wasn't even half bad, same as RTL2. I'm surprised but really glad.

Saw about half of it. EA must be extremly happy with this media coverage, from here on they'll have a hard time getting an even more well-known and reputable news broadcast to call their precious Origin spyware.

Even bad advertisement is advertisment - maybe that's their new slogan?


EDIT: I finally had time to look at the coverage in China. Sad to see that they are even worse with comments like "I don't care"... I think I saw only ONE comment that was against Origin, however my Chinese is very, very bad.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:08 .

[PaulSX]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Although I do prefer Steam, but Origin is not that bad. I tried Origin yesterday, as far as I concern they only scan register entries and program data folder. so it's really not that a big deal as most criticizers said.

Thats what people are complaining about.

program data can be deleted easily  which I do regularly. About register entries, there are no sensitive information in it as my gaming computer is just for games and entertainment.

[ColorMeSuprised]

suntzuxi wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Although I do prefer Steam, but Origin is not that bad. I tried Origin yesterday, as far as I concern they only scan register entries and program data folder. so it's really not that a big deal as most criticizers said.

Thats what people are complaining about.

program data can be deleted easily  which I do regularly. About register entries, there are no sensitive information in it as my gaming computer is just for games and entertainment.

And here we go again. =)

To clarify: it's about that Origin has NO right WHATSOEVER to even LOOK at files it has NOTHING to do with. Oh wait, let me find that one posting:

Ieldra2 wrote...

Just to clarify against all the "I don't have a problem with Origin" people:

*I do not mind having to hook up to an account for installation of the game and buying DLC.
*I do not mind some software looking what hardware components my computer has.
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*I mind not being able to play when my net connection is down (FYI, you can play Steam games offline)
*I mind any software snooping around where it has no business - i.e. in anything not having to do with the game(s) linked to that software.
*I mind people like EA's giving away my data to third parties.
*I mind not knowing *exactly* what kind of data they have of me, and I mind being unable to force them to delete personal data they have no business knowing.
*I mind not being able to mod my game (though that's not an unavoidable result of such software - I modded my Steam version of Deus Ex without any problems).

In practice, I do not expect Origin to send my personal secrets - if I'd allow any of them to reside on my PC - to EA or anyone else, but the knowledge that they could if they wanted is enough to cry foul. I'm beginning to wonder - EAis an American corporation, and hasn't the US always held privacy in high regard? Why the hell are corporations allowed such behaviour while the country's own executive organs would never be? It appears to me people are not nearly paranoid enough about the so-called private sector.

I am reminded of Illium: Do not sign anything. Like Omega with expensive shoes. The lines between crime lords and corporations becomes increasingly blurry.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:12 .

[Feanor_II]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You are welcome to continue to discuss this topic until we can give you clarification on the issue.

HOWEVER, discussion of piracy, cracking games, ways to get around copy protection and similar comments will result in people being banned and the discussion closed. We do not allow such discussion here.

Excuse me Mr. Priestly, OK, you have decissions to make yet, but could you tell us what about the demo and Origin? Will it be required to download and/or to play?

[mcneil_1]

Feanor_II wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
Statement from EA Germany regarding Origin

Well, this does indeed look quite a bit different. They explicitly say they'll collect no data which have no connection to the application (meaning Origin). There is no agreement any more to collect data from anywhere on your computer. No mention of giving data to third parties as well. I haven't analyzed every detail, and it still has one or two things possibly null and void under German law, but not in the part about data collection. Mostly it looks acceptable. Not too different from Steam if I recall things correctly.

Now they need to correct the license agreement for the other countries as well.

Yeah, they changed the EULA, but..... ¿what about the software? they can change the EULA as many times as they but, while the software isn't changed and contnues behaving the same way......

I was wondering that myself.
I hope the EU security folks will still monitor what Origin does (so even if the EULA has changed to make Origin sound a bit nicer) to see if it is still doing what it is doing right now.

Modifié par mcneil_1, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

mcneil_1 wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Wittand25 wrote...
Statement from EA Germany regarding Origin

Well, this does indeed look quite a bit different. They explicitly say they'll collect no data which have no connection to the application (meaning Origin). There is no agreement any more to collect data from anywhere on your computer. No mention of giving data to third parties as well. I haven't analyzed every detail, and it still has one or two things possibly null and void under German law, but not in the part about data collection. Mostly it looks acceptable. Not too different from Steam if I recall things correctly.

Now they need to correct the license agreement for the other countries as well.

Yeah, they changed the EULA, but..... ¿what about the software? they can change the EULA as many times as they but, while the software isn't changed and contnues behaving the same way......

I was wondering that myself.
I hope the EU security folks will still monitor what [color=rgb(255, 102, 0)">Origin does (so even if the EULA has changed to make ] Origin[/color] sound nice) to see if it is still doing what it does.

Do not worry, the EULA was mostly just a cosmetic surgery and many pointed that out. And it was mentionend that changing the EULA does not change how the programm works. I believe that even after Origin was "supposedly" changed, people will still distrust EA and monitor Origin.

At least I won't trust EA ever again (not that I did before). As long as something I don't need is mandatory they can go to hell - nicely put.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[Johnsen1972]

mcneil_1 wrote...
I was wondering that myself.
I hope the EU security folks will still monitor what Origin does (so even if the EULA has changed to make Origin sound a bit nicer) to see if it is still doing what it is doing right now.

Many gamers lost their trust in EA already. They should patch Origin very fast to fit the EULA and work hard to earn the trust again. They need to repair the damage Origin did. There are still a few passages in the EULA that needs to be fixed, but the new EULA was quite a big step in the right direction.
Lots of people will keep monitoring Origin, even in the next months.

I still dont understand why EA started the spying on paying customers at all. Smart pirates wont use Orign, and the concerned paying customers wont buy EA games either. Did they do that because they wanted to sell the private informations? Just because of greed? Just because Facebook is rich and successful? 

I don't get it.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:49 .

[DownyTif]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...


when I look now, there are 2400 1 star reviews, and one of the one star reviews have 2519 customers out of 2577 finding it as helpfull...

I would wager that is an indication that there are more people than the registered and displayed votes agreeing with there being a problem.

Why? Is it backlash over Origin or does the game suck? lol

Because of Origin.

This was one form of our protest. Now there are TV news and almost every important newspaper is writing articles about Origin.

Look here for further information. Though there is a lot more now than is posted in the opening post.

BTW: We encourage other countries to follow our example and fight for their rights.

Yeah people must step up here. Contact news network, there is always one tech guy doing reviews of games andsoftware. Start threads on other forums (I did 2 already). I contacted a lot of people (friends, relatives, etc.) to inform them of what was happening (without bashing Origin, I want them to make their own opinion).

Canada and US must step up now.

[Zanallen]

Reading this thread, I kind of hope that ME3 does require Origins.

[DownyTif]

Zanallen wrote...

Reading this thread, I kind of hope that ME3 does require Origins.

Care to explain?

[Zanallen]

DownyTif wrote...

Care to explain?

Nothing to explain really. I just think it would be incredibly entertaining.

[DownyTif]

Zanallen wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

Care to explain?

Nothing to explain really. I just think it would be incredibly entertaining.

haha, indeed !!

[shep82]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Shinian2 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...


when I look now, there are 2400 1 star reviews, and one of the one star reviews have 2519 customers out of 2577 finding it as helpfull...

I would wager that is an indication that there are more people than the registered and displayed votes agreeing with there being a problem.

Why? Is it backlash over Origin or does the game suck? lol

Most of the reviewers said that the game is 5 stars, but because of Origin they send it back and rated it with 1 star 

Which is why I fear for the ME franchise if Origin is required. No I'm not a fan of it however I will not boycott either ME 3 or Battlefield 3 because of it.