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[Lumikki]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

Well, then I'm glad to be able to say, that I am among those 20%.

Me too. I want to buy ME3, but I will never sacrifice my computer security and privacy because some game.
yeah, only weak minded persons aren't able to do what they say they will do.

[Killjoy Cutter]

If it were up to me, selling people's information without their expressed, written consent would be a criminal felony.

[GMagnum]

i am da 99 percent

[Feanor_II]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

MartinDN wrote...

Even after all this i bet 80% of us from this thread will still buy, no one is going to miss mass effect 3 after investing hundreds of hours into different characters, thats the problem people will still buy.

Looking forward to the faq from priestly though i hope in my heart alot of the devolopers are trying to push how much it sucks.

Well, then I'm glad to be able to say, that I am among those 20%. 

Why on earth should a game, A GAME, which is meant to make fun in my leisure time mess with my principles and that I DO care for my privacy. Seriously -> LMAO    

It's a game, nothing more! It may be a very good one - granted - but I rather leave the soap on the floor.

Well said!!!! our social and civil rights are more important than a videogmae, the mere comparisson is ridiculous.

Sanunes wrote...

I think I finally figured out a solution
for my personal dilema for Origin, if its required I am going to get
Mass Effect 3 for the xbox. I think that sends the message I want, I am
interested in BioWare games, but I am not interested in Origin, but I
don't punish myself for a game that I been looking forward to.

edit: spelling.

I could buy ME3 for PS3.... but I've spent quite a time building my Sheppards to lose them for the final chapters, yes I could use that "profile creator" comic but it'll only cover major decssions, those small things like woman and her brother-in-law quests will be gone.
Also I think that EA must be punished for it. For me the only accpetable way of getting ME3 (if Origin is required) is 2nd hand.

[Johnsen1972]

German mainsteam TV channels started reporting about Origin. There is NO way EA gets out of this the easy way. Just changing the EULA and Origin isnt enough anymore. They will be punished.

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Phaedon]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

German mainsteam TV channels started reporting about Origin. There is NO way EA gets out of this the easy way. Just changing the EULA and Origin isnt enough anymore. They will be punished.

lol. It's not as if they'll be smacked in the butt.

Authorities may, after a loooooot of time, decide to ban certain products temporarily, which might actually produce more revenue for EA, since all Germans will rush to buy them before the courts have even decided what they'll do.

And if you actually watched the "German mainstream TV channels" you'd have known that there is nothing wrong with the EULA. The whole sh*tstorm is about Origin scanning your files once you have started the installation process but before signing the EULA.

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[Johnsen1972]

OH our MIP is commenting on something I wrote.
 I suggest you start reading the posts in this thread first:P

[DownyTif]

It's really sad to see people giving up their privacy to play a video game. I mean, it's just a game. Even if ME3 is the greatest game of all time... it's just a damn game! It's not a job, not a life decision, not a child, it's entertainment in a world FULL of entertainments. There are A LOT of great games on the market, movies, books, everybody has friends to go out with or if you are young, well there is the local park where you hang out and get your first kiss.

ME1 is probably my favorite game of all time. I'm currently playing my 4th playthrough and still enjoying every bit of it. I loved ME2 too. And as much as I love my Shepards, as much as I want to see the conclusion of this magnificent story, I will not be forced to use Origin. It's a matter of principle. I do not fear Origin to discover something illegal or some password on my laptop, it's just a matter of principle.

- I'm against to be forced to use a online client for a single player game that I bought at my local store.
- I'm against the fact that EA scans my HDD.
- I'm against the fact that a big corporation defines the rules about MY privacy.

It's not about strong or weak mind, it's about me, my vision of this and my values. That's it.

[Shermos]

http://biowarefans.c...-if-you-please/

According to this, Origin will PROBABLY be required to activate the game, but not to launch and play it. I could deal with that.

[Metalrocks]

Mykel54 wrote...

I won´t buy a console only to play games. I own a PC that i use for everything, including gaming. I already refuse to buy steam games (because the program annoys me), so if this origin spyware is enforced on us PC gamers, then EA-BIOWARE won´t get any money from me.

im not fond of steam either but at least its not origin that scans your privat information.
lots of good games are only available over steam and most other games these days need steam. valve at least cares about its customers. not EA, they care about money, thats why they do the same game over and over again and make extra money with other companies like bioware.

[Phaedon]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

OH our MIP is commenting on something I wrote.
 I suggest you start reading the posts in this thread first:P

I suggest you learn to read and listen better in German in order to not be told off by a foreigner, since that's actually what EA as a company is going facing CURRENTLY. But as long as you sleep better at night, go right ahead.

Of course, german courts are likely to take months to reach a decision, not that it really matters either way. If people care about the product, they'll order it from Austria or Denmark, even if EA doesn't find a workaround.

If you care for your privacy, then don't buy any products that require Origin, or buy them on any other platform than the PC. Of course, if you don't actually have credit card info or something similar on your gaming PC, you don't exactly have anything to fear, other than having spam sent to your friends' e-mails.

[Phaedon]

^ Oh, and that's because the very same ToS states that they can collect your details, but can't legally reuse or distribute any information with identification attached to it, such as name (scanning your Skype) or IP, just in case anyone wants to know.

Therefore, legally you are safe. Your information can be reused by EA (which Hint: They'll Do, just like Facebook or GMail does), but anonymously. 

Anyway, I am off.

Modifié par Phaedon, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:43 .

[Metalrocks]

Shermos wrote...

http://biowarefans.c...-if-you-please/

According to this, Origin will PROBABLY be required to activate the game, but not to launch and play it. I could deal with that.

lets hope this will be true. as long i dont have to install it or let it run in the beackground just to play it. i wish bioware could clarify us about it.

[Johnsen1972]

Im so sorry Phaedon, you are right. Im stupid because I never read and listen.
I forgot the first rule.
Phaedon doesn't lie. Whatever he says simply becomes the truth.

I will never forget it again.

Thank you for your wise advice. I will never buy anything with Origin.

Im so glad I met you. 

All hail greek god phaedon!

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[SalsaDMA]

Phaedon wrote...

Of course, if you don't actually have credit card info or something similar on your gaming PC, you don't exactly have anything to fear, other than having spam sent to your friends' e-mails.

Don't... Just don't...

Arguments like that are what supporters of fascist regimes use to condone giving up the rights of privacy.

I cannot stand a display of that kind of mentality which have been a curse on humanity throughout history.

[Shepard the Leper]

Phaedon wrote...

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

You clearly have no clue whatsoever about legislation.

To be clear. The EULA is worth nothing, I repeat - NOTHING. The only thing that matters is the law of the country you live in. Any contract you sign that contradicts the law is (legally) worthless. For example, in most countries product have a fixed warranty period. Any company that designs an EULA (or whatever contract), stating that someone who buys one of their product gives up their warranty rights, breaks the law. Regardless whether consumers signed the contract or not, they can always FORCE the company to fix their product based on the law.

In case you missed it, the law applies to everybody. You, me, EA and the government themselves.

[CroGamer002]

^Then uninstall Steam then.

It doesn't matter you can turn off the option to scan your PC, they can still do it!

[TheDaaave]

That's it. I will not get Mass Effect 3. I am sick and tired of this ****. Goodbye Bioware, this will be my last post on this board.

[Chloe_W1971]

Phaedon wrote...

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

Wrong. Under German law, you cannot waive privacy rights by signing a contract. If any part of a contract that you sign violates German law, that part of the contract becomes void.

[DownyTif]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Then uninstall Steam then.

It doesn't matter you can turn off the option to scan your PC, they can still do it!

Actually, I can scan your PC too, eventually! The thing is, Steam doesn't do it, I don't do it, etc. There is a big difference between what Steam does and what Origin does. If you don't believe me, I suggest you read the last 5 pages of this thread.

[Lumikki]

Phaedon wrote...

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

Actually I don't fully agree with this.

Problem is that EULA is about rules of they product, but EULA can not go over the laws of countries. Meaning inside the EULA, if there is anything that conflict laws, then that part of EULA has no legal base.

My point is, there is a lot of laws in many countries what affects consumers. EULA is not some magic paper what can do everyting, it's still bound by real life laws in all countries where game is sold.

Examples: Bundling producs, forced install of spyware, break of privacy, product been something else than it should be and so on, there could be laws related these stuff in some countries. Example bundling products is very new law in my country, it was illegal few years ago.

Modifié par Lumikki, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Phaedon wrote...

^ Oh, and that's because the very same ToS states that they can collect your details, but can't legally reuse or distribute any information with identification attached to it, such as name (scanning your Skype) or IP, just in case anyone wants to know.

Therefore, legally you are safe. Your information can be reused by EA (which Hint: They'll Do, just like Facebook or GMail does), but anonymously. 

Anyway, I am off.

Legally, shegally.  EULAs aren't binding on either party, they're for show.  And they won't protect against hackers gaining access to EA's databases or Origin itself. 

It's all about what the software is capable of.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Chloe_W1971 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

Wrong. Under German law, you cannot waive privacy rights by signing a contract. If any part of a contract that you sign violates German law, that part of the contract becomes void.

In general, in most western countries, a contract provision in violation of the law is void. 

[elitecom]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Of course, if you don't actually have credit card info or something similar on your gaming PC, you don't exactly have anything to fear, other than having spam sent to your friends' e-mails.

Don't... Just don't...

Arguments like that are what supporters of fascist regimes use to condone giving up the rights of privacy.

I cannot stand a display of that kind of mentality which have been a curse on humanity throughout history.

True indeed. Not to become melodramatic or anything, but is this what things have come down to? Some kind of borderline Soviet society where someone is always watching you?

To put it bluntly: It doesn't matter whether you've something to be afraid of or not. EA has absolutely no business into people's private lives. That cannot be stressed enough.

[Chloe_W1971]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In general, in most western countries, a contract provision in violation of the law is void. 

You're right, of course. I specified German law because the discussion seemed to be about Germany. If rights could be waived by contract, we might just as well not have laws at all, no? 

Edited to add: I work freelance, so I tend to take Terms and Conditions seriously and for a time, I used to check in with my lawyer if stipulations in my contracts seemed fishy. These days, my approach is a bit more relaxed because of the whole "void if against the law" thing.

Modifié par Chloe_W1971, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:17 .