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[crimzontearz]

here's what I don't get.

how in hell are still people using "origin is just EA's way to learn more about how you play their games in order to make better games in the futire" and then accusing folks of overreacting?

seriously that statement is conceptually and practically 100% BS...ok..maybe 99%

[Chloe_W1971]

Here's what I don't get:

How in the name of all that is unholy can people take the "we only spy on you to make our games better" spiel seriously? EA wants to make money, not spend money. If they spend money on technology that scans your harddrive, you can bet it's not to "make better games."

I'd bet good money that it's either an advertising tool or that they plan to sell the data to advertisers.

[crimzontearz]

and even if it was JUST learning about how people play the game the cencept itself is unsound

[Pkxm]

All they need to "make better games" is our hardware specs, or in-game related stats like ME1/2 did. They don't need to be scanning entire directories. It's purely harvesting our PC's for information to sell/trade. If we allow this to continue it will only get even more intrusive.

Why should they even be scanning entire directories or collecting non-game related information? Just sell us the game. If you want system specs that is reasonable, same with in-game related stats. Stay out of the rest of our PC. I don't care how you justify what Origin is doing now..it doesn't need to be doing it.

Modifié par Jsxdf, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:30 .

[Chloe_W1971]

crimzontearz wrote...

and even if it was JUST learning about how people play the game the cencept itself is unsound

Yeah, what happened to the idea of just, you know, asking people if they'd like to participate in a feedback programme? Or at least give them the opportunity of saying "No, thanks!"

Oh, and if you absolutely, desperately need an Origin-only game, you can just sandbox the sucker.

Modifié par Chloe_W1971, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:32 .

[crimzontearz]

it's not just about asking permission.

ok let me give you an example. Let's say Portal never existed.....I know, blasphemy. It's now early 2012, softwares like Origin tell EA and other companies just how people play their games BUT... they can only tell them what people are doing with current features and whatnot. So a random developer pitches an idea to an EA big wig

Developer: so....I have this idea for a game. An FPS based on puzzle rooms which are solved by using a gun that created orange and blue portals for you to bend time and use physics to your advantage.

EA guy: ok...where isyour collected data that tells me this model will work?

Dev: well...I have none, no game attempted this before

EA: well then sorry...too risky to attempt something like that with no insurance on people reactions to it

see where I'm going?

Modifié par crimzontearz, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:45 .

[Chloe_W1971]

crimzontearz wrote...

it's not just about asking permission.

ok let me give you an example. Let's say Portal never existed.....I know, blasphemy. It's now early 2012, softwares like Origin tell EA and other companies just how people play their games BUT... they can only tell them what people are doing with current features and whatnot. So a random developer pitches an idea to an EA big wig

Developer: so....I have this idea for a game. An FPS based on puzzle rooms which are solved by using a gun that created orange and blue portals for you to bend time and use physics to your advantage.

EA guy: ok...where isyour collected data that tells me this model will work?

Dev: well...I have none, no game attempted this before

EA: well then sorry...too risky to attempt something like that with no insurance on people reactions to it

see where I'm going?

What, you mean this isn't how EA operates most of the time already? But yes, I see where you're going.

All I'm saying is that if EA wants my data they might want to consider asking me for them first. And should I say no, then they'd better respect my privacy. If EA decides to never do any innovative game again, then that's not too different from what they're famous for anyway, is it? 

Modifié par Chloe_W1971, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:56 .

[Pkxm]

crimzontearz wrote...

it's not just about asking permission.

ok let me give you an example. Let's say Portal never existed.....I know, blasphemy. It's now early 2012, softwares like Origin tell EA and other companies just how people play their games BUT... they can only tell them what people are doing with current features and whatnot. So a random developer pitches an idea to an EA big wig

Developer: so....I have this idea for a game. An FPS based on puzzle rooms which are solved by using a gun that created orange and blue portals for you to bend time and use physics to your advantage.

EA guy: ok...where isyour collected data that tells me this model will work?

Dev: well...I have none, no game attempted this before

EA: well then sorry...too risky to attempt something like that with no insurance on people reactions to it

see where I'm going?

Good point.

[ironman001]

Little warning people this topic is about about Mass Effect 3 required Origin to play if you talk to much about Origin and not include something about ME 3 some overattentive moderator can say that this discussion is off topic and locked out so high five and let's moving:)
Maybe i'm paranoid but this is only topic about ME 3 and Origin that left and prefer that at least one be there:)

[Chloe_W1971]

ironman001 wrote...

Little warning people this topic is about about Mass Effect 3 required Origin to play if you talk to much about Origin and not include something about ME 3 some overattentive moderator can say that this discussion is off topic and locked out so high five and let's moving:)
Maybe i'm paranoid but this is only topic about ME 3 and Origin that left and prefer that at least one be there:)

Oh, right. Forgot about that. So, to bring this back on topic: What advantages in terms of user statistics does Origin offer that wasn't pretty much covered by the system(s) that DA:O, ME2 and DA2 had? And what part does any part of my harddrive that isn't ME3 play in it?

Better now? 

[Lumikki]

Yeah, we know that this is about Origin client in ME3. This is like discussion why Origin client should not be forced in ME3.

1. Having Origin client as optional software in ME3 would be fine by me as long I don't have to install or use Origin client. This means that game client it self has to be able to do games DRM verification too.

2. Also player should have option refuse the data collection in Origin client by EA, for those people who want use Origin client, but want to keep they privacy.

3. How forcefull will be the data snooping in players computer. Some people think it should be just game related, not other softwares and data. Some others don't mind what ever it does.

Modifié par Lumikki, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:11 .

[Michel1986]

Edit: Post removed. 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[RocShemp]

So Origin being required for the demo aside, is there any conclusive information wether or not it will be required to play the retail physical release of ME3? I hope not.

[CroGamer002]

DownyTif wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Then uninstall Steam then.

It doesn't matter you can turn off the option to scan your PC, they can still do it!

Actually, I can scan your PC too, eventually! The thing is, Steam doesn't do it, I don't do it, etc. There is a big difference between what Steam does and what Origin does. If you don't believe me, I suggest you read the last 5 pages of this thread.

What do you mean by you can scan my PC eventually?

[Pkxm]

RocShemp wrote...

So Origin being required for the demo aside, is there any conclusive information wether or not it will be required to play the retail physical release of ME3? I hope not.

Not conclusive but BF3 requires origin no matter where you buy it, and it has a very similar EULA as ME3. You can read the ME3 EULA here 
http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas 

Also the few comments on this from Bioware seem to hint that they ARE using it

[Akon]

I have no problem that EA want its own digital platform.

My problem is that Origin behave like spyware and that the EULA is a piece of s***

And I know ways to stop programms on spying me (that is not the real problem for me).

My point is:
I just want to install a game and dont have to think about it.
They cutting more and more user rights. You dont own a game now you only rent it.
There are companys that dont use DRM at all. And they make money!
So why do I have to endure more and more extra programms scans and stuff on my pc ?

If you buy a game you get more restrictions.
People who get them ileagle have no restrictions at all.
They only anger the honest people!

[Nero Narmeril]

Also the few comments on this from Bioware seem to hint that they ARE using it

Quote something.

[Akon]

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

...INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY,...

Modifié par Akon, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[RocShemp]

Lumikki wrote...

How forcefull will be the data snooping in players computer. Some people think it should be just game related, not other softwares and data. Some others don't mind what ever it does.

I can live with it looking up game data directly related to games I got from Origin or games like ME3 that might include the client in its install package. I can also live with it looking up hardware data (to help make updates and patches easier). But scanning my whole PC? No way!

Jsxdf wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

So Origin being required for the demo aside, is there any conclusive information wether or not it will be required to play the retail physical release of ME3? I hope not.

Not conclusive but BF3 requires origin no matter where you buy it, and it has a very similar EULA as ME3. You can read the ME3 EULA here 
http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas 

Also the few comments on this from Bioware seem to hint that they ARE using it

Well that's certainly disheartening.  I hope I can have them scan my system once, when I install the game and just delete Origin afterward.  Then just play the game offline as I please.

Modifié par RocShemp, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[DownyTif]

Mesina2 wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Then uninstall Steam then.

It doesn't matter you can turn off the option to scan your PC, they can still do it!

Actually, I can scan your PC too, eventually! The thing is, Steam doesn't do it, I don't do it, etc. There is a big difference between what Steam does and what Origin does. If you don't believe me, I suggest you read the last 5 pages of this thread.

What do you mean by you can scan my PC eventually?

It was a bad example. What I meant is that every software you install on your PC could scan it and actually being on the internet, even with the best protections in the world, you are not safe from intrusion. The difference between Steam and Origin is that Origin can and scan it, where Steam can but don't scan it (outside of /Steam and /NVIDIA). Windows OS is not design to have protected parts except security priviliges, but then normally you must be Admin to install/run/play games.

Modifié par DownyTif, 01 novembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[TheSteltek]

I do not mind Steam surveying me about my hardware etc, but I do mind software that rummages through my files, Internet bookmarks, browser cookies etc and am well prepared to miss out on the ME finale if that's the only way.

To anybody who does not want Origin: I suggest setting an ultimatum for a response from BioWare. I've just asked them on Twitter whether Origin will be required or not and left them 5 business days to reply. If they don't, I will simply assume the answer is 'yes', and cancel my pre-order with Amazon accordingly. Loss of sales, and therefore revenue, is the only language that EA speaks.

[RocShemp]

I saw this pic of the EULA online and it freaked me out:



Now I think it's either or all BS or EA changed their EULA. Because here's the EULA directly from EA/Origin themselves: http://eacom.s3.amaz...gin_9.16.11.pdf

Modifié par RocShemp, 01 novembre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Trayno]

Chris Priestly wrote...

trayno wrote...

Any reasonable estimates as to when said clarification can be given? 

Hopefully in time to cancel the preorder should it turn out that Origin will be required.

Greetings,
Trayno

No estimate yet, but  it is in progress. Since you can cancel up to day of launch, this does give a little buffer.

It's good to finally hear from you, and, please excuse the rather impolite poke-with-the-stick.
It's just that I, and I bet alot of other people around here, are somewhat on edge as, on the one hand I really really look forward to Mass Effect 3, and on the other hand having Origin and it's current Regulations as an absolute Dealbreaker.  I just hope you can forward our concerns to those who decide what is comming out of all this debating.

Greetings,
Trayno

[Wintermist]

You really think they will scan your whole PC? Do you know how that would affect your system? Try running a full antivirus scan and you get the idea.

They will of course not do anything like this. It's just dumb to think so. They may be allowed whatever you accept in the EULA, but would they actually make use of it? No way, I'd say.

They will want Hardware information mostly, and perhaps a list what games you got apart from their games, to see what people who play this game also like to play for future projects.

Your local grocery store also does this, they collect data on what you buy and when you buy it, and what else you bought so that they can improve service and offers.

Modifié par Wintermist, 01 novembre 2011 - 07:07 .