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[Bogsnot1]

Aliens Crew wrote...

If the EULA of Origin is the same as the EULA of ME 2 & DA2, when why asked me DA2 to accept the new EULA since a couple of weeks?

It doesn't makes any sense if you are right, Bogsnot1, does it?

Firstly, I never said it was the same as DA2. Secondly, do you see a DA2 icon under my avatar?
What doesnt make sense is why you expect me to know anything about a game I dont have.

[Gabey5]

still waiting to hear back, Origin is way too creepy

[charmingcharlie]

Bogsnot1 I appreciate what you are doing but you are doing it in the wrong topic.  This is not a topic for people to discuss Origin generally (which most of your posts in here seem to be) this is a topic as to whether Mass Effect 3 will use Origin and to what extent it will use Origin.  If you want to waste your time trying to convince people that Origin isn't that "bad" or "doesn't do anything different to anything else" then there is an Origin topic in off topic chat you can use.

However let me save you a bit of time, you will not convince those opposed to Origin to change their mind.  Just like I will not be able to convince you that Origin is a step too far and not worth supporting.  So really your energy would be better spent elsewhere.  Now for the record the privacy issue is just ONE of the issues I have with Origin, I have a shedload more issues with it that I won't discuss in this topic because it is not the place for it.

At the moment I am waiting to see what Jesse Houston has to say in his FAQ.  I remain highly skeptical that anything in the FAQ will persuade me to carry on with my pre-order.

[Bogsnot1]

charmingcharlie wrote...
Bogsnot1 I appreciate what you are doing but you are doing it in the wrong topic.  This is not a topic for people to discuss Origin generally (which most of your posts in here seem to be) this is a topic as to whether Mass Effect 3 will use Origin and to what extent it will use Origin. 

As I, and others, have pointed out, it will use Origin. Link here to the ME3 EULA available at Amazon. (PDF)
Seeing as it has been answered, this thread should now come to a close. Now its moved on to exactly what Origin entails, how it might work, and legal ways to get around it.

If you want to waste your time trying to convince people that Origin isn't that "bad" or "doesn't do anything different to anything else" then there is an Origin topic in off topic chat you can use.

I'm not trying to convince people its bad, or doesnt do anything that something else doesnt, or to change their minds. What I am simply doing, is highlighting the fact that they have already agreed to many of the T&C's they are objecting to. 


Put simply, if you're going to object to and hate something, do it for the right reasons, not for the wrong reasons.

However let me save you a bit of time, you will not convince those opposed to Origin to change their mind.  Just like I will not be able to convince you that Origin is a step too far and not worth supporting.

You dont have to convince me thats its a step too far, but as I have previously mentioned, I already know of many legal ways around this issue, so its no longer a problem, or even a concern. It will be going on a dedicated partition, formatted to FAT32, while all other partitions are formatted in NTFS. There is no way that it will be able to read any drives, log my behaviour, or otherwise spy on me in ways I dont agree to.

[Hyperion II]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Btw is it true that Origin is basically EA's spyware?

Thats kinda scary...

It is, and that is why so many people are against it.

[charmingcharlie]

Bogsnot1 wrote...
As I, and others, have pointed out, it will use Origin. Link here to the ME3 EULA available at Amazon. (PDF)
Seeing as it has been answered, this thread should now come to a close. Now its moved on to exactly what Origin entails, how it might work, and legal ways to get around it.

Yes you have made your post and I saw it and right now we are waiting to see what Jesse Houston has to say with regard to HOW Origin will be used in Mass Effect 3.  The EULA you posted is a catch all covering every aspect of Mass Effect 3 including multiplayer.  So until we see Jesse Houstons FAQ on exactly how Mass Effect 3 will use Origin it is still up for discussion.

Bogsnot1 wrote...I'm not trying to convince people its bad, or doesnt do anything that something else doesnt, or to change their minds. What I am simply doing, is highlighting the fact that they have already agreed to many of the T&C's they are objecting to.

This isn't the topic for that though, this is a topic for discussing whether and to what extent Mass Effect 3 will use Origin.  If you want to "highlight how we have all agreed to many T&C's of a similar nature" then use the Origin topic in the off topic forum.

Bogsnot1 wrote... Put simply, if you're going to object to and hate something, do it for the right reasons, not for the wrong reasons.

I am doing it for the right reasons, but this is not the topic for that kind of discussion.

Bogsnot1 wrote...  You dont have to convince me thats its a step too far, but as I have previously mentioned, I already know of many legal ways around this issue, so its no longer a problem, or even a concern. It will be going on a dedicated partition, formatted to FAT32, while all other partitions are formatted in NTFS. There is no way that it will be able to read any drives, log my behaviour, or otherwise spy on me in ways I dont agree to.

That is your choice, I personally refuse to go through such bull to play my purchased game and as I said the invasion of privacy is just ONE of the reasons why I object to Origin.

[Bogsnot1]

charmingcharlie wrote...
That is your choice, I personally refuse to go through such bull to play my purchased game and as I said the invasion of privacy is just ONE of the reasons why I object to Origin.

There are simpler ways, but they are of the sort we are not allowed to discuss on the forums.

...use the Origin topic in the off topic forum.

I kept meaning to go there, after all I suggested to plenty of other the off topic section was more appropriate, I just sorta got caught up with it in this thread. Heading there now.

[billy the squid]

The problem is not that Origin can look at internet history, identify hardware set up or software installed on the machine, I certainly don't like it as a privacy issue, but as far as things go it's not awful, a friend has taken a look at Origin, he's far more tech savy than I am, but it was unclear what the program was actually up to, which is the main point, it hasn't been explained particularly well by EA.

I won't go into huge detail a clutter everything up, but appart from accessing EA and sytem related items, it also accessed all folders and I think a lot of files from the Program Datafolder

Origin also opened Xfire.ini as well as xfire_games.ini

File and registry logs showed that Origin did not access any values containing the word "browser", "Internet Explorer", "Steam", "Valve" or "Firefox" (my default browser) except for a couple of registry entries that indicated the default browser for the system. It also queried the registry entries Internet ExplorerSecuritySafety Warning Level and Internet ExplorerSecurity which seem to indicate what security level IE is running on.

There was also apparant communication with the EA servers with encrypted information sent to EA, but I don't know what it was. In addition the memory utilized increased to 2GB, which he was shocked by.

From a legal stand point the terms are very broad and largely undefined, which makes me apprehensive, my issues with Origin have always been the privacy and the vague way things have been presented. But, from a tech stand point it appears to be less excessive, than initally thought.

But I still have lingering questions and suspicions as to, why it attempts to scan all programdata folders, the huge memory utilisation, encrypted data sent to EA etc. I don't mind EA setting up their own digital distribution system, I rather it wasn't an artificially created market, but explaining what the Origin's system actually does has been badly handled, and they could have done themselves a favour by explaining clearly what Origins actually does.

Modifié par billy the squid, 13 octobre 2011 - 02:50 .

[Hyperion II]

Thank you, Bioware, for great games and pure, epic storytelling along the years.
I shed a tear for you and feel sorry for the fact that you've accepted EA's Origin in your games.
Thanks again for the good times you've given me with your games.

ME3 is the last game I'll buy (& crack) from you.
Goodbye.

[GMagnum]

Hyperion II wrote...

Thank you, Bioware, for great games and pure, epic storytelling along the years.
I shed a tear for you and feel sorry for the fact that you've accepted EA's Origin in your games.
Thanks again for the good times you've given me with your games.

ME3 is the last game I'll buy (& crack) from you.
Goodbye.

GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

[AgamenonAtreides]

Why ALL don´t CANCEL your pre-orders and w8t until the release day and watch yourself in the box of the game on a gamestop or other places if the games requires the Origin sh*t?

Then you decide to buy it or no.

I´m doing that, i wan´t buy a Collectors edition of ME3, but as i read here.. until i dont see with my own eyes than the game dont needs that cr*p i dont buy it!

[GMagnum]

AgamenonAtreides wrote...

Why ALL don´t CANCEL your pre-orders and w8t until the release day and watch yourself in the box of the game on a gamestop or other places if the games requires the Origin sh*t?

Then you decide to buy it or no.

I´m doing that, i wan´t buy a Collectors edition of ME3, but as i read here.. until i dont see with my own eyes than the game dont needs that cr*p i dont buy it!

o_O u type worse den me LOOOOOOOOOL

[Bogsnot1]

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

[GMagnum]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

dam bro u sound mad as fk LOL

[AgamenonAtreides]

GMagnum wrote...

AgamenonAtreides wrote...

Why ALL don´t CANCEL your pre-orders and w8t until the release day and watch yourself in the box of the game on a gamestop or other places if the games requires the Origin sh*t?

Then you decide to buy it or no.

I´m doing that, i wan´t buy a Collectors edition of ME3, but as i read here.. until i dont see with my own eyes than the game dont needs that cr*p i dont buy it!

o_O u type worse den me LOOOOOOOOOL

Im spanish bro, and my english sucks, but i talk a lot of time on english with friends of other countrys and never told me that xD:lol:

[GMagnum]

AgamenonAtreides wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

AgamenonAtreides wrote...

Why ALL don´t CANCEL your pre-orders and w8t until the release day and watch yourself in the box of the game on a gamestop or other places if the games requires the Origin sh*t?

Then you decide to buy it or no.

I´m doing that, i wan´t buy a Collectors edition of ME3, but as i read here.. until i dont see with my own eyes than the game dont needs that cr*p i dont buy it!

o_O u type worse den me LOOOOOOOOOL

Im spanish bro, and my english sucks, but i talk a lot of time on english with friends of other countrys and never told me that xD:lol:

if thats the case den its all good bro 

[AgamenonAtreides]

BTW why don't decide to make a group of players and denounce Origin for intrusive software?

[Bogsnot1]

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

dam bro u sound mad as fk LOL

I may be mad (I'm not actually), but at least being a PC player has let me become familiar with all of the letters on the keyboard, whereas your addiction to ABXY has caused you to forget that some letters even exist. 

[Hathur]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I may be mad (I'm not actually), but at least being a PC player has let me become familiar with all of the letters on the keyboard, whereas your addiction to ABXY has caused you to forget that some letters even exist. 

Modifié par Hathur, 13 octobre 2011 - 04:02 .

[GMagnum]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

dam bro u sound mad as fk LOL

I may be mad (I'm not actually), but at least being a PC player has let me become familiar with all of the letters on the keyboard, whereas your addiction to ABXY has caused you to forget that some letters even exist. 

no need 2 be so hostile bro, we can all be friends hurr <33333 u dude

[Bogsnot1]

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

dam bro u sound mad as fk LOL

I may be mad (I'm not actually), but at least being a PC player has let me become familiar with all of the letters on the keyboard, whereas your addiction to ABXY has caused you to forget that some letters even exist. 

no need 2 be so hostile bro, we can all be friends hurr <33333 u dude

I'm actually having a laugh. Judging by your reaction to this, you'd probably require a change of shorts should I be hostile in your general direction. 

[GMagnum]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...
GOT EM

rubbin nips rite now cuz i got a console 

So you're excited about having your privacy invaded by MS before we have ours invaded by EA?

dam bro u sound mad as fk LOL

I may be mad (I'm not actually), but at least being a PC player has let me become familiar with all of the letters on the keyboard, whereas your addiction to ABXY has caused you to forget that some letters even exist. 

no need 2 be so hostile bro, we can all be friends hurr <33333 u dude

I'm actually having a laugh. Judging by your reaction to this, you'd probably require a change of shorts should I be hostile in your general direction. 

:crying::crying: *hugs*

[ironman001]

I see this topic going in to great direction Plain and simple EAware(Bioware) you say that we will know if Origin will be requested to play ME 3 yesterday and you don't give a damn so i cancel my preorder so we clear it not me fault it yours for losing customers have somewhere where sunshine never comes.
Bogsnot1 you say a lot in defense of Bioware i don't have anything against Bioware because is dead from the moment the EA buy them o and when you have friend that are lawyer as i you will know that EULA of Origin break rights more then China is spying on me will never happen i'm not a American in Europe we fight governments and corporations that f**k with as:)

[NPH11]

ironman001 wrote...

I see this topic going in to great direction Plain and simple EAware(Bioware) you say that we will know if Origin will be requested to play ME 3 yesterday and you don't give a damn so i cancel my preorder so we clear it not me fault it yours for losing customers have somewhere where sunshine never comes.
Bogsnot1 you say a lot in defense of Bioware i don't have anything against Bioware because is dead from the moment the EA buy them o and when you have friend that are lawyer as i you will know that EULA of Origin break rights more then China is spying on me will never happen i'm not a American in Europe we fight governments and corporations that f**k with as:)

... Did you just randomly bring up China so you could take a swing at Americans?

In fact, did you really just compare Origin to human rights abuses in China?


That's just terrible.

[Bogsnot1]

ironman001 wrote...

I see this topic going in to great direction Plain and simple EAware(Bioware) you say that we will know if Origin will be requested to play ME 3 yesterday and you don't give a damn so i cancel my preorder so we clear it not me fault it yours for losing customers have somewhere where sunshine never comes.
Bogsnot1 you say a lot in defense of Bioware i don't have anything against Bioware because is dead from the moment the EA buy them o and when you have friend that are lawyer as i you will know that EULA of Origin break rights more then China is spying on me will never happen i'm not a American in Europe we fight governments and corporations that f**k with as:)

I dont actually say anythign in defence of Bioware, I simply point out some facts and realities about the EULA as compared to many products and services that people already use.
I have personally cancelled my pre-order for ME3 because of Origin's terms and conditions, and will be waiting to see how EA responds to the outcry over it before purchasing it.

This is now very much off topic, as the question if it willbe required for now has been answered, and all further discussion on Origin should take place in the Off Topic forum, where a thread already exists.
http://social.biowar...3/index/8498876