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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

It's worth noting that I will also not accept Origin if it is set to automatic or required updates (including updates required for DLC), because that's how people sneak in new EULAs.

[Gatt9]

Wintermist wrote...

You really think they will scan your whole PC? Do you know how that would affect your system? Try running a full antivirus scan and you get the idea.

They will of course not do anything like this. It's just dumb to think so. They may be allowed whatever you accept in the EULA, but would they actually make use of it? No way, I'd say.

They will want Hardware information mostly, and perhaps a list what games you got apart from their games, to see what people who play this game also like to play for future projects.

Your local grocery store also does this, they collect data on what you buy and when you buy it, and what else you bought so that they can improve service and offers.

Do you have any idea how much the RIAA,  MPAA,  and ISDA would pay for irrefutable proof that someone pirated something?

This is not about hardware surveys.

lol. It's not as if they'll be smacked in the butt.

Authorities may, after a loooooot of time, decide to ban certain products temporarily, which might actually produce more revenue for EA, since all Germans will rush to buy them before the courts have even decided what they'll do.

And if you actually watched the "German mainstream TV channels" you'd have known that there is nothing wrong with the EULA. The whole sh*tstorm is about Origin scanning your files once you have started the installation process but before signing the EULA.

If you have signed the EULA and went ahead and installed the program, you don't have a legal basis for anything, so claiming that they will have to "change the EULA" or that "changing the EULA won't be enough" is silly.

You've got several problems in there.

1.  It won't take a lot of time if it's scanning the whole program files folder.  It's violating a number of laws regarding protected information ranging from Tax documents to potentially bank account numbers and protected patient data for people working in the medical industry.  The potential fines are in the billions of dollars,  potentially tens of billions,  and that's just America.  No,  there's no excuse,  people do not have any reason to expect a retail piece of software to be scanning their program files folder.

2.  The EULA is meaningless.  First,  the EULA cannot supersede Federal and State law.  It's an invalid contract.  Second,  the EULA  doesn't prevent you from filing suit.  The burden of proof is upon EA to prove that you signed the contract,  and not your roommate.  This is completely impossible.  Third,  many copies will be installed by minors.  Minors cannot sign contracts.  Since there is no reason for people to expect a video game to be scanning tax documents,  there's no "Reasonable" expectation for parents to be reading the EULA to see if it does it.

In short,  the EULA isn't going to help EA,  and the potential fallout from this is more than sufficient to bankrupt them.  Although,  TBH,  I'd imagine criminal prosecution is a distinct possibility if it's actually scanning everything in the Program Files directory.

[shep82]

I just can't wait for Chris to tell us what;s what on this so people can stop ****ing(i hope).

[billy the squid]

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I'm from the states and no I value my privacy very much. However while I may not like what Origin does it is essentially the same thing as steam which I use frequently. THe only difference is it gives you an opt out function. Hopefully EA will do the same but they are not taking sensitive data here only data on what you play that's it. Who cares if they find out what I play?

Oh, for heaven sake, please check the process monitor logs. They are not the same, they do not scan the same things.

Steam is intrusive and I don't advocate for it, but it has some vague notion of limits and has the opt out clause. Origin has no opt out clause and proceedes in what is the equivalent of a shotgun approach to scanning. The whole DataProgram file among other things, yet ignores game registry keys from EA, and will scan even miscellaneous items and Icon files.

Half the items the program scans have got to be pointless, it seems very sloppy in its approach unless it intends to send the data back on a rolling basis, which it could, the sheer volume of data is insane.

I have checked and so what if it scans my icons? What the hell could that tell them? I think it's a dumb idea but it's not like it's scanning my checking account info.

That's the point it is increadibly sloppy, it just scans the whole thing. Steam's tends to be limited to software and hardware which interacts with it. Origins simply scans the lot. With Steam at least I have some limited control in what I can opt out of, it also scans what software I have and interaction, but not its usage, I don't like Steam much either.

But my options with Origin are essentially nil, whilst it's ludicrous that EA feels the need to scan what I have and how I use it. If EA wanted to set up a rival download system then they're doing a hell of a job marketing it.

Modifié par billy the squid, 01 novembre 2011 - 11:52 .

[shep82]

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I'm from the states and no I value my privacy very much. However while I may not like what Origin does it is essentially the same thing as steam which I use frequently. THe only difference is it gives you an opt out function. Hopefully EA will do the same but they are not taking sensitive data here only data on what you play that's it. Who cares if they find out what I play?

Oh, for heaven sake, please check the process monitor logs. They are not the same, they do not scan the same things.

Steam is intrusive and I don't advocate for it, but it has some vague notion of limits and has the opt out clause. Origin has no opt out clause and proceedes in what is the equivalent of a shotgun approach to scanning. The whole DataProgram file among other things, yet ignores game registry keys from EA, and will scan even miscellaneous items and Icon files.

Half the items the program scans have got to be pointless, it seems very sloppy in its approach unless it intends to send the data back on a rolling basis, which it could, the sheer volume of data is insane.

I have checked and so what if it scans my icons? What the hell could that tell them? I think it's a dumb idea but it's not like it's scanning my checking account info.

That's the point it is increadibly sloppy, it just scans the whole thing. Steam's tends to be limited to software and hardware which interacts with it. Origins simply scans the lot. With Steam at least I have some limited control in what I can opt out of, it also scans what software I have and interaction, but not its usage, I don't like Steam much either.

But my options with Origin are essentially nil, whilst it's ludicrous that EA feels the need to scan what I have and how I use it. If EA wanted to set up a rival download system then they're doing a hell of a job marketing it.

True but I'm not about to boycott a game because of it.

[billy the squid]

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I'm from the states and no I value my privacy very much. However while I may not like what Origin does it is essentially the same thing as steam which I use frequently. THe only difference is it gives you an opt out function. Hopefully EA will do the same but they are not taking sensitive data here only data on what you play that's it. Who cares if they find out what I play?

Oh, for heaven sake, please check the process monitor logs. They are not the same, they do not scan the same things.

Steam is intrusive and I don't advocate for it, but it has some vague notion of limits and has the opt out clause. Origin has no opt out clause and proceedes in what is the equivalent of a shotgun approach to scanning. The whole DataProgram file among other things, yet ignores game registry keys from EA, and will scan even miscellaneous items and Icon files.

Half the items the program scans have got to be pointless, it seems very sloppy in its approach unless it intends to send the data back on a rolling basis, which it could, the sheer volume of data is insane.

I have checked and so what if it scans my icons? What the hell could that tell them? I think it's a dumb idea but it's not like it's scanning my checking account info.

That's the point it is increadibly sloppy, it just scans the whole thing. Steam's tends to be limited to software and hardware which interacts with it. Origins simply scans the lot. With Steam at least I have some limited control in what I can opt out of, it also scans what software I have and interaction, but not its usage, I don't like Steam much either.

But my options with Origin are essentially nil, whilst it's ludicrous that EA feels the need to scan what I have and how I use it. If EA wanted to set up a rival download system then they're doing a hell of a job marketing it.

True but I'm not about to boycott a game because of it.

So you prioritise a game over details and privacy issues?

[shep82]

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I'm from the states and no I value my privacy very much. However while I may not like what Origin does it is essentially the same thing as steam which I use frequently. THe only difference is it gives you an opt out function. Hopefully EA will do the same but they are not taking sensitive data here only data on what you play that's it. Who cares if they find out what I play?

Oh, for heaven sake, please check the process monitor logs. They are not the same, they do not scan the same things.

Steam is intrusive and I don't advocate for it, but it has some vague notion of limits and has the opt out clause. Origin has no opt out clause and proceedes in what is the equivalent of a shotgun approach to scanning. The whole DataProgram file among other things, yet ignores game registry keys from EA, and will scan even miscellaneous items and Icon files.

Half the items the program scans have got to be pointless, it seems very sloppy in its approach unless it intends to send the data back on a rolling basis, which it could, the sheer volume of data is insane.

I have checked and so what if it scans my icons? What the hell could that tell them? I think it's a dumb idea but it's not like it's scanning my checking account info.

That's the point it is increadibly sloppy, it just scans the whole thing. Steam's tends to be limited to software and hardware which interacts with it. Origins simply scans the lot. With Steam at least I have some limited control in what I can opt out of, it also scans what software I have and interaction, but not its usage, I don't like Steam much either.

But my options with Origin are essentially nil, whilst it's ludicrous that EA feels the need to scan what I have and how I use it. If EA wanted to set up a rival download system then they're doing a hell of a job marketing it.

True but I'm not about to boycott a game because of it.

So you prioritise a game over details and privacy issues?

If the "privacy issues" were a great threat to my privacy no I wouldn't but nothing is on my computer other than games, legal downloads and mods, and maybe a few "adult" images.:innocent:

[billy the squid]

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

So you prioritise a game over details and privacy issues?

If the "privacy issues" were a great threat to my privacy no I wouldn't but nothing is on my computer other than games, legal downloads and mods, and maybe a few "adult" images.:innocent:

Ah, well there is a fair bit of fiscal and legal data on mine, spread sheets, notes, accounts, budgets and, tax forms. I obviously have back up copies on an external HDD as well as hard copies, but I don't take kindly to items poking around without my permission.

[shep82]

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

So you prioritise a game over details and privacy issues?

If the "privacy issues" were a great threat to my privacy no I wouldn't but nothing is on my computer other than games, legal downloads and mods, and maybe a few "adult" images.:innocent:

Ah, well there is a fair bit of fiscal and legal data on mine, spread sheets, notes, accounts, budgets and, tax forms. I obviously have back up copies on an external HDD as well as hard copies, but I don't take kindly to items poking around without my permission.

Well I will conceede that point. I support you and others fighting for them to change things but I will enjoy BF3 and ME 3 while you guys wait for change.

[billy the squid]

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

shep82 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

So you prioritise a game over details and privacy issues?

If the "privacy issues" were a great threat to my privacy no I wouldn't but nothing is on my computer other than games, legal downloads and mods, and maybe a few "adult" images.:innocent:

Ah, well there is a fair bit of fiscal and legal data on mine, spread sheets, notes, accounts, budgets and, tax forms. I obviously have back up copies on an external HDD as well as hard copies, but I don't take kindly to items poking around without my permission.

Well I will conceede that point. I support you and others fighting for them to change things but I will enjoy BF3 and ME 3 while you guys wait for change.

Oh, I have no illusions about the probability of EA changing unless the data it wants is simply not worth the bashing Origin's reputation takes and the problems it has exceed the benefits.

I might be cynical, but I think I'm being pragmatic in thinking so, as there are other ways I can get ME3 without having Origin poke around uninvited, so I don't miss anything.

In principle I don't mind EA setting up Origin as an alternative to Steam, I suppose it's competition, but I don't see it as such, considering EA games are restricted to it, they created their own little market. The news that other publishers are considering use of Origin is interesting, it might very well provide competition to Steam, which is fine.

Now if EA backtracked on the level of system scans,options on data collection, actually got the Origin system working properly not what has happened in some cases of Bf3 then maybe I would accept it. But in the current form I have serious reservations, so we'll see how it EA responds with ME3,

[anzolino]

German lawyer and data protector speaks about the old and the new EULA. He seems not really convinced.

[Travie]

anzolino wrote...

German lawyer and data protector speaks about the old and the new EULA. He seems not really convinced.

Thanks for the link.

Also, a google search for razor 1911 and battlefield 3 will make some of you smile.

Just remember, we can't discuss that here <_<

[Rieverre]

I've been really interested in the Assassin's Creed series. I've also been a longtime fan of Splinter Cell. I have not touched any AC games nor Conviction because of the DRM, which was merely extremely inconvenient rather than outright intrusive.

If ME3 requires Origin to install and play it? Even the hardcopy version? I simply won't purchase it or play it. Sure, I'll probably be a little broken up about missing the finale of the trilogy, and I doubt the €50 or so loss will actually matter to the company in the long run, but ... meh.

To me, gaming it mostly about convenience - things like the Ubi-DRM, the news coming in about Origin ... it's probably just my opinion, but isn't it really rather counter-productive to punish someone for giving you their money? It certainly seems like nobody thought very hard about it, or the concept of returning customers.

Ironically enough, it seems as though even EA knows it's taking a chance on this. I mean, look at TOR. That's the most expensive piece of gaming they've ever created and it's been confirmed to _not_ require Origin unless you actually want to purchase the digital version. And even then, it apparently isn't required to DL, install or play the actual product. Make of that what you will.

[TheRealJayDee]

Raygereio wrote...

BioWare; I know you have no real say in this matter, but take a message to your EA overlords. We want to buy your games. We really do. Would you kindly stop doing everything in your power to make us stop buying your games

/signed

[MACharlie1]

Origins can scan all they want. What are they going to get [from me]? A bunch of family photos, random school papers and a lot of porn? Maybe they'll see something they like. *cough*

But that is kidding aside: on a law level, this is a massive invasion if it's searching someone's stored contacts. On a personal level - EA, knock yourself out on my hard drive. You might come out a little less sane then before you decided to have a peek into my life but that ain't my problem.

I guess it's my view on the death penalty: on a law level, it is wrong due to the 8th Amendment. On a personal level, rapists, murderers and George Lucas should have a bullet put through their skull. But what is deserved and what is just are two totally different things and beside the point.

Thread killed. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 02 novembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[Gatt9]

Rieverre wrote...
To me, gaming it mostly about convenience - things like the Ubi-DRM, the news coming in about Origin ... it's probably just my opinion, but isn't it really rather counter-productive to punish someone for giving you their money? It certainly seems like nobody thought very hard about it, or the concept of returning customers.

The issue isn't so much piracy,  as it is an excuse to force people into paying them more.  There's significant anti-piracy legislation coming down,  and ISP's have already agreed to monitor P2P traffic and turn over offenders.  Piracy's about to be brought under control.

The goal is to force used game buyers to pay them,  and to prevent people from sharing a game in the same house.  There's a reason for Online Pass,  Single-playthrough,  and stuff like Ubisoft's DRM that prevents people from playing the same copy without significant penalty.  It's to force people to buy more copies through invasive means.

Publisher's are desperate.  The digital-revolution is making them irrelevant,  their constant cookie-cutter games and lack of diversity is killing their sales.  Now they're trying to gouge the customers.

In a few years,  we'll be talking about the collapse of the publishers and the ridiculous tactics they tried to use to gouge people,  and I'm guessing EA's going to be the highlight of that story,  I really don't see this ending well for them. 

[Eradyn]

Looks like I may have gotten my answer. Scroll down to Mass Effect 3.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

source

Well, BW, I think we can consider my ME3 preorder cancelled if this is how you and EA are gonna roll. Don't pretend you didn't know what you were going to do with requiring the Origin client; it's been right there for people to see if they only knew where to look. Pretty disappointed in you. <_<

Modifié par Eradyn, 02 novembre 2011 - 04:33 .

[shep82]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Origins can scan all they want. What are they going to get [from me]? A bunch of family photos, random school papers and a lot of porn? Maybe they'll see something they like. *cough*

But that is kidding aside: on a law level, this is a massive invasion if it's searching someone's stored contacts. On a personal level - EA, knock yourself out on my hard drive. You might come out a little less sane then before you decided to have a peek into my life but that ain't my problem.

I guess it's my view on the death penalty: on a law level, it is wrong due to the 8th Amendment. On a personal level, rapists, murderers and George Lucas should have a bullet put through their skull. But what is deserved and what is just are two totally different things and beside the point.

Thread killed. 

LOL yeah same here except the Lucas part.

[shep82]

Eradyn wrote...

Looks like I may have gotten my answer. Scroll down to Mass Effect 3.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

source

Well, BW, I think we can consider my ME3 preorder cancelled if this is how you and EA are gonna roll. Don't pretend you didn't know what you were going to do with requiring the Origin client; it's been right there for people to see if they only knew where to look. Pretty disappointed in you. <_<

Yup still not cancelling.

[Eradyn]

shep82 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Looks like I may have gotten my answer. Scroll down to Mass Effect 3.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

source

Well, BW, I think we can consider my ME3 preorder cancelled if this is how you and EA are gonna roll. Don't pretend you didn't know what you were going to do with requiring the Origin client; it's been right there for people to see if they only knew where to look. Pretty disappointed in you. <_<

Yup still not cancelling.

Good for you.  If this is how they're going to do things, however, I am.

[Metalrocks]

Eradyn wrote...

shep82 wrote...

Eradyn wrote...

Looks like I may have gotten my answer. Scroll down to Mass Effect 3.

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

source

Well, BW, I think we can consider my ME3 preorder cancelled if this is how you and EA are gonna roll. Don't pretend you didn't know what you were going to do with requiring the Origin client; it's been right there for people to see if they only knew where to look. Pretty disappointed in you. <_<

Yup still not cancelling.

Good for you.  If this is how they're going to do things, however, I am.

you are not alone with this. seriously, i might as well post my resume on the net and other perosnal stuff since origin does it for you. <_<
why bioware? why oh why you treat your fans like this and listen to a company who always makes the same game over and over again??

[SouzaNZ]

Wow! Am I glad I decided to keep my Mass Effect trilogy exclusively on the 360! This is exactly the reason I didn't pick up Battlefield 3, origin bull**** and no availability on steam. No Steam, no sale.

Steam is a fantastic, trustworthy and most importantly dependable service. I trust that all of my games will still be available to me in ten years time on steam whereas I have absolutely no faith in the competence or longevity of any EA distribution service. I would've picked up both ME1 and ME2 (additional to my console purchases) on Steam if I hadn't been worried about future BS coming from EA (it looks like my insticts were correct in that regard). Plus I would've eventually picked up a copy of ME3 on steam to complete my collection.

Take note of this Bioware. EA's antics have cost you three additional sales from me as a direct result of their busniess models. They are chasing away your customers, isn't this the exact opposite of what a publisher is supposed to do?

[vader da slayer]

you guys do realise that when it is scaning other folders it doesn't transmit back anything unless it finds modded files right? its looking for modded game files (for those that don't know you can setup a directory in a directory not even connected to the game but the mods inside said directory can be setup to affect the game) on your PC so that it can send back info on them, and then you so you get banned. it isn't transmitting back your damn telephone calls or what ever.

also to anyone who plays League of Legends (very fun free to play) this is part of its EULA

"VI Consent to Monitoring

When you are using the Software, the Software may monitor your random access memory (RAM) for unauthorized third party programs prohibitted by SectionIII.E that interact with the Software and/or Game."

so to those saying "they" can't do what you guys are yelling about wake up. its been done for years now. EA does it, Blizzard does it, Valve does it (whether you want to belive so or not) MS does it through their G4WL client. its something that has been happening for quite a while and the fact that all of you are just now realizing it tells me it never affect you adversly to begin with so why are you yelling about it now? if you played DA:O or DA2 pre origin on PC I can almost garauntee you that the EULA you said yes to when you installed that game had the same lines it it.

and if it were illegal something would have been done about it by now. fact is is the EULA is a contract in a sense as it's something you, the End User, Agree to abide by in order to use the product.

while Im not saying you should like it and take or w/e (you do have complete control over whether you buy the game or not) its something you will have to live with if you do indeed buy the game, which is again up to you.

Modifié par vader da slayer, 02 novembre 2011 - 06:05 .

[Bogsnot1]

vader da slayer wrote...
fact is is the EULA is a contract in a sense as it's something you, the End User, Agree to abide by in order to use the product.

The fact that this "contract" is not presented to the purchaser PRIOR to the purchaser completing the sale makes it null and void under many countries consumer protection laws.

In regards to League of Legends monitoring your RAM, thats fine. Its not like you are going to access online banking, tax details etc while you are playing the game. They also make it very clear why they are doing it.
This is different to what Origin is doing, which is scanning your entire hard drive, plus registry, and taking notes on what you have installed, and give no reason why they are harvesting this level of data. Why should Origin need to access a tax program, or phone synch/connectivity program? Either its extremely poorly written, and thus susceptible to being hijacked teh way that Sony's CD rootkit was, or EA is trying to build up a profile of every single one of its customers, in order to turn them into a product to sell off to third parties.

[Lumikki]

shep82 wrote...


Yup still not cancelling.

Everyone can deside they own what they do, because freedom of choise is important. We all wanna make our own choises.

Ask you self, is playing game more important than peoples right to make they own choise. Should people have freedom of choise to say no to Orgin client, while still play the game. Do you really think that everyone should be forced to use Origin client, because that is the message what you give?

Now the real questions is, what you lose if you join to fight agaist Origin client, what's in the Origin client so important that you fight it's behave?

Because our goal here is make so that anyone who wanna use Origin client can, but anyone who doesn't, can still play the game. Why we fight agaist Origin client, because everyone should have a choise about they own  computer privacy. It's not about has someone something to hide. This is about that we should be allowed to choose our self anything related our own computer privacy and not be force give up the freedom of choise by some game company.

So, are you saying that we are wrong to fight for freedom of choise?

Freedom of choise is never free and granted for everyone like gift. Most the time people have and allways will have to fight for it, to keep it and have it.. Been passive and say "I don't care, I just want my fun" is same as saying, you can take my freedom away. Because that's what this is all about, company using us for they benefit by introdusion of everyones own computers privacy. If you don't fight for now, it may be too late for later, when we players have become just puppets for companies to use us any way they like. I my self would like to keep my freedom of choise related my own computer into me and not give it up.

Point been if we get bigger enough public message togather, we all can play the ME3 the way we like. With or without Origin client. Isn't that what we all want?

Modifié par Lumikki, 02 novembre 2011 - 06:58 .