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[Oppopji]

I've cancelled my ME3 CE pre-order as I'm quite certain that Origin will be required. If EA changes their mind however and decides that Origin won't be required then I'll pre-order again, assuming they don't use another kind of objectionable DRM.

Also, Crackers Cut Origin From Battlefield 3:

...that allows the game to operate and even play online without having to connect to EA's service...

Assuming this is true then once again pirates have the "superior" version of a game. *slow clap* Well done, EA :/

Modifié par Oppopji, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:58 .

[MarauderESP]

Oppopji wrote...

I've cancelled my ME3 CE pre-order as I'm quite certain that Origin will be required. If EA changes their mind however and decides that Origin won't be required then I'll pre-order again, assuming they don't use another kind of objectionable DRM.

Also, editing to prevent lockdonws .

...that allows the game to operate and even play online without having to connect to EA's service...

Assuming this is true then once again pirates have the "superior" version of a game. *slow clap* Well done, EA :/

and what where u specting ? to let a spyware run free , it took them what less than a week? the same will happend if this cra.... spy..... i mean origin is needed to run me3
no spyware on my pc thanks

Modifié par MarauderESP, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:58 .

[Michel1986]

I posted that yesterday twice but chris removed it and said we are not allowed to post things about cracks or to bypass origin.

Modifié par Michel1986, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:27 .

[DownyTif]

@Oppopji: yeah, you should probably edit your post and maybe only refer to The Escapist. Chris will remove it anyway and we don't want that thread to be locked. Thanks for the link though!

[CptData]

Oppopji wrote...

I've cancelled my ME3 CE pre-order as I'm quite certain that Origin will be required. If EA changes their mind however and decides that Origin won't be required then I'll pre-order again, assuming they don't use another kind of objectionable DRM.

*** link removed ***

...that allows the game to operate and even play online without having to connect to EA's service...

Assuming this is true then once again pirates have the "superior" version of a game. *slow clap* Well done, EA :/

It's always the same sh!t. Some Publisher comes with a new annoyance of so called "copy protection" and a week or two later some crackers (from russia, any eastern europe country) remove it and play the game for free.

Mission accomplished! Crackers are still playing pirated!games, normal customers have to fight dozens of issues - Starforce protection that's basically a rootkit, DRM that makes your game unuseable after x-times of installation, copy protection that's so heavy that you can't even PLAY that game / music anymore ...

*sigh*

Always the same. I don't wanna crack my ME3 just to get rid of a "legal" spyware I bought with that game.

Modifié par CptData, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:40 .

[Oppopji]

MarauderESP wrote...
and what where u specting ? to let a spyware run free , it took them what less than a week? the same will happend if this cra.... spy..... i mean origin is needed to run me3
no spyware on my pc thanks

I never said or implied that I was expecting anything different to happen? It doesn't matter what DRM is used, it'll always be broken within a week unless it's something new & very different (e.g. the first time Ubi's always on DRM was used).

There's no way I'm letting Origin near any of my PCs either; EA could offer me their entire catalogue of games (including all future releases) free on Origin & I'd still refuse to accept it.

[MarauderESP]

one of these days ur going to be sleeping and ur pc will start and instead of windows logo (mac,linux,or so ur using) ull see spy.... err.. origin logo and speakers start saying "assuming control" .......... oh damn im gonna have a nightmare tonight

[SalsaDMA]

MarauderESP wrote...

one of these days ur going to be sleeping and ur pc will start and instead of windows logo (mac,linux,or so ur using) ull see spy.... err.. origin logo and speakers start saying "assuming control" .......... oh damn im gonna have a nightmare tonight

Origin is Reaper tech. Installing it will slowly indoctrinate you in order to prep you for their return.

Fight the reapers! Don't install it!

[Chris Priestly]

There is no problem with linking to an article on the Escapist. If you want to link to it, please go ahead.

[Tarisch]

No Way Origins finds its way on my PC. ME3 is a Singelplayer game, there is no need for Origins. I have nothing against it if a Gamer can decide if he wants to play MP over Origns or use it to chat with his friends, wathever. But forcing me to install Origins wont work.

Modifié par Tarisch, 02 novembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

MarauderESP wrote...

one of these days ur going to be sleeping and ur pc will start and instead of windows logo (mac,linux,or so ur using) ull see spy.... err.. origin logo and speakers start saying "assuming control" .......... oh damn im gonna have a nightmare tonight

Dammnit. I wanted to give you a comic strip that exactly showed what you described, but I couldn't find it.

Maybe someone else knows which one I'm talking about?

[SalsaDMA]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

one of these days ur going to be sleeping and ur pc will start and instead of windows logo (mac,linux,or so ur using) ull see spy.... err.. origin logo and speakers start saying "assuming control" .......... oh damn im gonna have a nightmare tonight

Dammnit. I wanted to give you a comic strip that exactly showed what you described, but I couldn't find it.

Maybe someone else knows which one I'm talking about?

This one, I asume:



It's from an online comic hosted at the escapist.

[DownyTif]

Chris Priestly wrote...

There is no problem with linking to an article on the Escapist. If you want to link to it, please go ahead.

Thanks! I just though that because of the post contained piracy talking, you may edit it.

[shep82]

vader da slayer wrote...

you guys do realise that when it is scaning other folders it doesn't transmit back anything unless it finds modded files right? its looking for modded game files (for those that don't know you can setup a directory in a directory not even connected to the game but the mods inside said directory can be setup to affect the game) on your PC so that it can send back info on them, and then you so you get banned. it isn't transmitting back your damn telephone calls or what ever.

also to anyone who plays League of Legends (very fun free to play) this is part of its EULA

"VI Consent to Monitoring

When you are using the Software, the Software may monitor your random access memory (RAM) for unauthorized third party programs prohibitted by SectionIII.E that interact with the Software and/or Game."

so to those saying "they" can't do what you guys are yelling about wake up. its been done for years now. EA does it, Blizzard does it, Valve does it (whether you want to belive so or not) MS does it through their G4WL client. its something that has been happening for quite a while and the fact that all of you are just now realizing it tells me it never affect you adversly to begin with so why are you yelling about it now? if you played DA:O or DA2 pre origin on PC I can almost garauntee you that the EULA you said yes to when you installed that game had the same lines it it.

and if it were illegal something would have been done about it by now. fact is is the EULA is a contract in a sense as it's something you, the End User, Agree to abide by in order to use the product.

while Im not saying you should like it and take or w/e (you do have complete control over whether you buy the game or not) its something you will have to live with if you do indeed buy the game, which is again up to you.

AFAIK it's mainly looking for "cheaters." Moddifying the armor/skins or whatnot is not likely to get you banned.

[Bogsnot1]

vader da slayer wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

vader da slayer wrote...
fact is is the EULA is a contract in a sense as it's something you, the End User, Agree to abide by in order to use the product.

The fact that this "contract" is not presented to the purchaser PRIOR to the purchaser completing the sale makes it null and void under many countries consumer protection laws.

In regards to League of Legends monitoring your RAM, thats fine. Its not like you are going to access online banking, tax details etc while you are playing the game. They also make it very clear why they are doing it.
This is different to what Origin is doing, which is scanning your entire hard drive, plus registry, and taking notes on what you have installed, and give no reason why they are harvesting this level of data. Why should Origin need to access a tax program, or phone synch/connectivity program? Either its extremely poorly written, and thus susceptible to being hijacked teh way that Sony's CD rootkit was, or EA is trying to build up a profile of every single one of its customers, in order to turn them into a product to sell off to third parties.

on theh point of the laws in other countries (believe Australia has that law or something similar) the EULA isn't attached to the game but to Origin and Origin itself is free and if you have to accept/reject before install. so this wont be a way for anyone to get back to EA since the EULA can easily be viewed before installation. the Origin EULA isn't specfic to the game but to Origin, the game itself might have a slightly different EULA (or that might be all inclusive in Origin, dont really know) and thats what would need to be present, not Origins.

and like I said with the client scanning seemingly random things it shouldn't be, where as LoL scans ram Origin is scaning files to see if anything is linking back to the game. if it finds something in that directory with telephone numbers thats linked back to the game that isn't part of the files then it knows its probably a mod or some form of hack software. it is most likely looking but not touching if that makes sense. or thats what it should be donig.

It still amounts to the same thing. The game's EULA (which dictates that Origin is required) is still not presented to the customer prior to the point of sale. It doesnt matter that Origin is free, its still a requirement ofthe paid product, and thus fall under the same laws as the actual product EULA.
Origin is doing more than scanning your hard drive trying to find smoething that links to the game. As has been shown already, it is actually scanning data contained within a tax program. That has nothing to do with any game, and is highly intrusive and downright creepy.

To those who are threatening to cancel your pre-order if you find out that Origin is actually required, I suggest going the opposite route. Cancel your pre-order now, and only place it once they have confirmed that Origin will not be a requirement. While your pre-order exists and is on the books, your words wont get through to EA, as they will see it as an empty threat. Follow through on it, and then they might start to pay attention. I cancelled my pre-order almost 2 months ago.

Origin will do nothing, and has done nothing, to prevent piracy. BF3 is available without the intrusive spyware if you know where to look. Sure, you probably cant play it online yet, but it probably wont be long until unofficial servers crop up to cater for the unofficial copies.

[LilyasAvalon]

What's this you say? Origins will most likely be required to run ME3?

We are not amused!

Seriously though, kinda iffy on that. Certainly not enough to cancel my Collector's Edition. I have Steam, have had Steam, for a while now, only ever had problems with customer service, but I've ALWAYS noticed my Security Software just FREAKS out whenever I try to access the Origins website, let alone install the program.

That's enough to send warning bells off in my head to be perfectly honest.

[OperativeX]

Yup, so NOT buying ME3 if i can't have it on Steam. My ME1 and 2 are Steam-based. I want to carry my saves over. Already boycotted BF3 and i won't buy that either until i can have it where i don't have to use Origin.

[DownyTif]

I would cancel mine... but I don't have one hehe. After my experience of Dragon Age 2, which I pre-ordered, I decided that I would not pre-order anything else from Bioware.

[shep82]

OperativeX wrote...

Yup, so NOT buying ME3 if i can't have it on Steam. My ME1 and 2 are Steam-based. I want to carry my saves over. Already boycotted BF3 and i won't buy that either until i can have it where i don't have to use Origin.

Um you can still carry over your saves even if thats the case. But I guess it won't natter since you refuse to get it.

[Eradyn]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

It still amounts to the same thing. The game's EULA (which dictates that Origin is required) is still not presented to the customer prior to the point of sale. It doesnt matter that Origin is free, its still a requirement ofthe paid product, and thus fall under the same laws as the actual product EULA.
Origin is doing more than scanning your hard drive trying to find smoething that links to the game. As has been shown already, it is actually scanning data contained within a tax program. That has nothing to do with any game, and is highly intrusive and downright creepy.

To those who are threatening to cancel your pre-order if you find out that Origin is actually required, I suggest going the opposite route. Cancel your pre-order now, and only place it once they have confirmed that Origin will not be a requirement. While your pre-order exists and is on the books, your words wont get through to EA, as they will see it as an empty threat. Follow through on it, and then they might start to pay attention. I cancelled my pre-order almost 2 months ago.

Origin will do nothing, and has done nothing, to prevent piracy. BF3 is available without the intrusive spyware if you know where to look. Sure, you probably cant play it online yet, but it probably wont be long until unofficial servers crop up to cater for the unofficial copies.

True, though I'm sure it will only make a marginal dent in the game's preorder numbers.  Most people are still ignorant as to Origin's activities, much less the distinct possibility that it will be required...and they likely won't find out until it's too late.  I preordered the CE, and I am loathe to cancel it hastily...however, it does seem very likely that EA won't change its mind on Origin between now and ME3's release.  I guess there is no reason to hang onto it in the vain hope that BW and EA will do right by customers who want to do things legally.

They have too many resources poured into that horror to let it go quietly into the night.  I suppose I'll have at least saved $80 (forgot it wasn't $70)...which is probably a good thing since I'm focusing more on Nvidia Surround-supporting games and the ME series is notorious for not having such support.  Still...Garrus.  Please don't fail me, Youtubers...you will be my only hope to see my fave turian in all his badassery.

Modifié par Eradyn, 03 novembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I strongly second the suggestion that anyone who is concerned about Origin should cancel their pre-order, if they have one, now, and not later. If asked why, explain that it's because of Origin's security and privacy violations.

Email BIoware and EA that you have cancelled your pre-order.

Post here that you have cancelled your pre-order.

Tell anyone you know who is considering ordering or has ordered why you cancelled, and encourage them to take the same steps.

[yslee]

Just adding a vote of no Origins on ME3. IF that happens, I won't be buying.

[Wintermist]

After a long while of monitoring I didn't come up with anything weird about Origin scanning my system. *shrugs*

[anzolino]

I'm a little upset now.

I've running XP in a Vbox on Linux, downloaded the latest Origin (Version 8.3.1.9) and installed it without changes in the default path C:\\Programs. Now I can confirm that Origin.exe scans all files in all folders under:
C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\Cookies
C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\History
C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files\\Content.IE5
C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users.WINDOWS\\Application Data\\

I've added a new folder in there ^^ and restarted Origin and the new folder was also scanned.
The files located in these folders are not EA business. There is my phone software (yes, for the mobile phone), GNU, SciTE, whatever you want!

There is a XML file in my user folder (documents and settings...). This file contains the complete path to C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users.WINDOWS\\Application Data\\Orign
Why do they scan through all other folders??? The Origin folder is defined in the XML file!
Nobody can tell me that scanning is required for finding Origin config or files because it searches the Registry keys too!

So, EA can tell me what they want and change the EULA as often as they want, as long as they don't change this software I won't buy anything what Origin requires!

[Jade Elf]

Wonderful. Apparently sandboxing Origin to a virtual partition takes care of that(there's even a tutorial for installing and setting up the programme "Sandboxie" for that - it's in German though).