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[MarauderESP]

Shermos wrote...

Why has this thread gone on for 59 pages? As I posted earlier, ME3 isn't even likely to require Origin to play, only activate, which I think most of can deal with.

It's either going to require Origin or it won't. There's no sense ****ing about it until we see what actually happens. If you want to do something slightly constructive about it, Why not write a letter to EA or Bioware voicing your concerns and dissatisfaction.

ok i see u dont read the post, first origin WIL NEVER be installed in my pc in is actual form still scans what its none of it bussiness, second why i need to install a spyware in order to play(activate) a retail copy of the game, the ME2 system works fine.....

and this thread still goes becouse people is concerned about the issue, and are waiting for BW to make things clear ( Mr Chris said they are working on it..... i see this going on without a response till march.... sorry Chris no hard feelings but ur now part of €A)...

[BeastMTL]

Thread goes on because Bio/EA aren't telling (either because it's not decided or they know and don't want to create a bigger ****-storm)

[Killjoy Cutter]

In general, software publishers have come to treat people who go out and buy their products as if they were criminals.

[Soul Cool]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In general, software publishers have come to treat people who go out and buy their products as if they were criminals.

This is pretty much true. It is almost like the developers hate the people who support them more than they hate people who pirate their software.

[shepskisaac]

All these 'always-online'/Securom checks and whatnot are so pointless. The copies that actually do get verified/checked are the legitimate copies. Pirated copies already have cracks installed long time before that. I mean, what's. the. point?

[CptData]

Today I read on a german gaming site Origin is -not- allowed to search other folders than the Origin folder. Origin is restricted to a "Origin folder" - maybe similar to the "Steam folder".

Since older games are not installed in this "Origin folder" Windows has some issues with folder access management and therefore, ANY folder is searched. I just wonder how's that possible - what older Origin games?

Shouldn't it be possible to just search the folder a game is installed in? Whatever the reason is, EA, do something. And please, don't do the same sh!t like Steam - it still does NOT support multiple harddisks and/or partitions.

[Mister Mida]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In general, software publishers have come to treat people who go out and buy their products as if they were criminals.

Which is one of the reasons why I might consider giving up on the PC platform. The crappy DRM, like shoving Steam or some other client down my throat as one of the worst, is really starting to ****** me off. Fortunately, not all developers/publishers are doing that... yet.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 04 novembre 2011 - 01:27 .

[Aeowyn]

Shermos wrote...

Why has this thread gone on for 59 pages? As I posted earlier, ME3 isn't even likely to require Origin to play, only activate, which I think most of can deal with.

It's either going to require Origin or it won't. There's no sense ****ing about it until we see what actually happens. If you want to do something slightly constructive about it, Why not write a letter to EA or Bioware voicing your concerns and dissatisfaction.

Because people don't want to install Origin on their PCs period., and if you bothered reading the thread, you would see the Chris Priestly said that we can voice our concerns here because the letter we would write would go to him anyway.

Modifié par Aeowyn, 04 novembre 2011 - 01:51 .

[DownyTif]

CptData wrote...

Today I read on a german gaming site Origin is -not- allowed to search other folders than the Origin folder. Origin is restricted to a "Origin folder" - maybe similar to the "Steam folder".

Since older games are not installed in this "Origin folder" Windows has some issues with folder access management and therefore, ANY folder is searched. I just wonder how's that possible - what older Origin games?

Shouldn't it be possible to just search the folder a game is installed in? Whatever the reason is, EA, do something. And please, don't do the same sh!t like Steam - it still does NOT support multiple harddisks and/or partitions.

If this is true, then the worst programers of the world are behind Origin. And if this is an official statement from EA, they are really evil.

[Bcuz]

 If the single player campaign requires origin, I think I might just resort to piracy.I never thought I'd do such a thing, usually when I see a game I want, this is me.


Of course if only the multiplayer segment requires origin, I won't give a damn. I have L4D for that purpose thanks.

Modifié par Bcuz, 04 novembre 2011 - 02:09 .

[SalsaDMA]

DownyTif wrote...

CptData wrote...

Today I read on a german gaming site Origin is -not- allowed to search other folders than the Origin folder. Origin is restricted to a "Origin folder" - maybe similar to the "Steam folder".

Since older games are not installed in this "Origin folder" Windows has some issues with folder access management and therefore, ANY folder is searched. I just wonder how's that possible - what older Origin games?

Shouldn't it be possible to just search the folder a game is installed in? Whatever the reason is, EA, do something. And please, don't do the same sh!t like Steam - it still does NOT support multiple harddisks and/or partitions.

If this is true, then the worst programers of the world are behind Origin. And if this is an official statement from EA, they are really evil.

What I don't get is why they expect people to believe that a multi-BILLION dollar project is coded by monkeys that can't distinguish between simple matters like looking at a known specified registry keys, or making a full scan of everything that is connected to a system...

This is a high-profile project for them. The chance that the program is not doing exactly what it is supposed to do, or at the very least very close to it is rather small.

Sorry. We may not be rocket scientists all of us, but I find it really insulting that they have so little regard for their consumers that they think they can sweep it under the rug like that with crappy excuses.

[SalsaDMA]

Gatt9 wrote...

@the people saying "Look at everyone else doing it!",  please google the topic.  You'll find companies who've tried scanning things they didn't need to be scanning,  without stating their intent very clearly upfront,  have received fines every time.

EA's in that area now.  The word "Software" doesn't mean your tax return,  or your phone files to anyone but someone working in the field. 

The Sony incident springs to mind, where they tried installing rootkits on systems that legitimate buyers played their music cd's on. (http://en.wikipedia....rootkit_scandal)

[Metalrocks]

Lumikki wrote...
Actually steam transfer data what it should not, out side you computer too. Example many other not game related program names what's in you computer. There is not even single reason for game company do this.

i believe that steam scans my pc but i also remember that steam asked me if they can scan my pc what hard ware i have, so that they can figure out how to help. i think i had some problems with some games and steam fixed it with an update. after that, my games were running fine.
but as i siad, steam asked me first if they can scan my pc. 

some one in the german forum checked out what origin does and what steam does. origin scans far more files and folders then steam does.

but yes, no company has the right to scan your pc just like that.

[SalsaDMA]

To the ones saying: "What's the big deal", here's some things to consider:

We are talking about buying and using games. Games are merely entertainement products, yet EA wants to break our rights of privacy while they sell us these products.

Would you be comfortable with installing spyware just to listen to a song? Obviously you shouldn't as the Sony rootkit scandal should show from history. Yet this is exactly what EA wants to do, just with games instead of songs.

Just think of it. It's a product you don't really need and you are asked to give up basic human rights for it...

I can imagine it transfered to a more 'common' setting very easy, to give a comparison:
-"Can I get the donut from the middle shelf?"
-"Sure. Now if you just give me your wallet so we can complete the transaction."
-"My wallet? What do you mean, I have the money for the donut here..."
-"Sorry mate. I want to look through your wallet and take copies of anything I find interesting in -there."
-"You want to WHAT? I just want to buy a frigging donut fer chris sake..."
-"I know. But in order for me to sell the donut to you I need to look through your wallet."
-"Like hell you need. Here's the money for the donut, now hand it over."
-"I'm sorry, but I need to look through your wallet first before I can hand over the donut."
-"Go to hell..."

[MarauderESP]

SalsaDMA wrote...

To the ones saying: "What's the big deal", here's some things to consider:

We are talking about buying and using games. Games are merely entertainement products, yet EA wants to break our rights of privacy while they sell us these products.

Would you be comfortable with installing spyware just to listen to a song? Obviously you shouldn't as the Sony rootkit scandal should show from history. Yet this is exactly what EA wants to do, just with games instead of songs.

Just think of it. It's a product you don't really need and you are asked to give up basic human rights for it...

I can imagine it transfered to a more 'common' setting very easy, to give a comparison:
-"Can I get the donut from the middle shelf?"
-"Sure. Now if you just give me your wallet so we can complete the transaction."
-"My wallet? What do you mean, I have the money for the donut here..."
-"Sorry mate. I want to look through your wallet and take copies of anything I find interesting in -there."
-"You want to WHAT? I just want to buy a frigging donut fer chris sake..."
-"I know. But in order for me to sell the donut to you I need to look through your wallet."
-"Like hell you need. Here's the money for the donut, now hand it over."
-"I'm sorry, but I need to look through your wallet first before I can hand over the donut."
-"Go to hell..."

oh dear that was a good one :D:O:D:O:D

on topic ME3 sp campaing should be origin free in any form even for activation (the me2 system worked fine)

[lastpatriot]

What is somewhat of a surprise to me is that BioWare, as of this point, has not really said much as to clarify the concerns of the customers. Were they to address this directly, the thread would likely die off. It is the unknown and uncertainty that drives the continued questions/concerns.

[MarauderESP]

lastpatriot wrote...

What is somewhat of a surprise to me is that BioWare, as of this point, has not really said much as to clarify the concerns of the customers. Were they to address this directly, the thread would likely die off. It is the unknown and uncertainty that drives the continued questions/concerns.

like i said before this thread im afraid is going to live till march....

[TheRealJayDee]

Mister Mida wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In general, software publishers have come to treat people who go out and buy their products as if they were criminals.

Which is one of the reasons why I might consider giving up on the PC platform. The crappy DRM, like shoving Steam or some other client down my throat as one of the worst, is really starting to ****** me off. Fortunately, not all developers/publishers are doing that... yet.

This. Should this trend continue I will have to focus on all the great console games out there, or spend a lot more time on my other hobbies. It's not like I have to play any of the games of the big publishers who treat me like ****. And I will never resort to piracy, no matter how much more comfortable the overall gaming experience would be with an illegal copy. It's really irritating to see how the majority of the gaming industry acts like they are waging war against their paying customers.

[Merchant2006]

^ This. This this this this this. I will buy Mass Effect 3 but by god if it has a trace of "Install Origin to confirm"... fine. But what I did recently (as my retail disk for Bad Company 2 broke) I downloaded origin, installed my game and promptly removed Origin. Sure... I learnt a bit too late that Origin most likely scanned all my important financial documents and this has me absolutely riled so I uninstalled it.

But Bad Company 2 remained, which is great. But I'm not doing it again. And if I'm forced to do it then... well there are other ways of me playing my 'retail purchased' copy of Mass Effect without having to suck up to Origin.

[Embrosil]

SalsaDMA wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

CptData wrote...

Today I read on a german gaming site Origin is -not- allowed to search other folders than the Origin folder. Origin is restricted to a "Origin folder" - maybe similar to the "Steam folder".

Since older games are not installed in this "Origin folder" Windows has some issues with folder access management and therefore, ANY folder is searched. I just wonder how's that possible - what older Origin games?

Shouldn't it be possible to just search the folder a game is installed in? Whatever the reason is, EA, do something. And please, don't do the same sh!t like Steam - it still does NOT support multiple harddisks and/or partitions.

If this is true, then the worst programers of the world are behind Origin. And if this is an official statement from EA, they are really evil.

What I don't get is why they expect people to believe that a multi-BILLION dollar project is coded by monkeys that can't distinguish between simple matters like looking at a known specified registry keys, or making a full scan of everything that is connected to a system...

This is a high-profile project for them. The chance that the program is not doing exactly what it is supposed to do, or at the very least very close to it is rather small.

Sorry. We may not be rocket scientists all of us, but I find it really insulting that they have so little regard for their consumers that they think they can sweep it under the rug like that with crappy excuses.

Windows Millenium Edition? Totally crappy and non-working OS made by a multi-BILLION corporation.

I have just read that in Germany, the issue has already been mentioned by Der Spiegel and Amazon.de is accepting refunds for Battelfield 3 even if they activated the software key. Good work my German friends, someone has to show those idiots who are totaly out of reality that we will not allow them to **** on our heads. 

Hmm and the same magazine tells me, that Origin has already been cracked and you can play Battlefield 3 without it. What was the purpose of Origin again? Oh, I see, to upset paying customers. Well, good work EA, really good work!

If ME3 uses Origin, I will simply download a non-Origin version. If someone is able to do everything in his power to stop me from buying his product, why should I oppose him?

The lack of answer from anyone competent is logical. It will require Origin, no doubt about that. But if they tell us now, not only many of us will cancel preorders, but they will not get any new ones. So they will tell nothing till the day of release.

Modifié par Embrosil, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:08 .

[MarauderESP]

im afraid that that is what is going to happend , its a shame but this is the way they treat costumers

[lastpatriot]

Embrosil wrote...


The lack of answer from anyone competent is logical. It will require Origin, no doubt about that. But if they tell us now, not only many of us will cancel preorders, but they will not get any new ones. So they will tell nothing till the day of release.

I hope you're not right but sady enough, what you said here makes a lot or sense.  This the reason why  I have not already ordered the game and will not do so until we get a clear "yes" or "no" about how Origin will affect the game requirements.  

I suppose that if BioWare responds with a "yes" then the customer base will respond rather quickly.

[lastpatriot]

... Which brings up a idea,

Perhaps we should create a "petition" thread about how we do no want Origin to be required for ME:3 and just have all of us /sign the thread. That way it is simple, respectful and sends a clear message.

I am not certain though if such a thread would be removed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

@the people saying "Look at everyone else doing it!",  please google the topic.  You'll find companies who've tried scanning things they didn't need to be scanning,  without stating their intent very clearly upfront,  have received fines every time.

EA's in that area now.  The word "Software" doesn't mean your tax return,  or your phone files to anyone but someone working in the field. 

The Sony incident springs to mind, where they tried installing rootkits on systems that legitimate buyers played their music cd's on. (http://en.wikipedia....rootkit_scandal)

The people responsible for that should be doing time in prison for publishing spyware. 

[ColorMeSuprised]

Embrosil wrote...

The lack of answer from anyone competent is logical. It will require Origin, no doubt about that. But if they tell us now, not only many of us will cancel preorders, but they will not get any new ones. So they will tell nothing till the day of release.

This sounds so unbelievable right. I hope they will not do this, but I wouldn't put it beyond them.

Alright, I will cancel my preorder NOW - I can still change it and preorder the game again, if they tell us it doesn't need Origin. I don't have much hope left.

lastpatriot wrote...
... Which brings up a idea,

Perhaps we should create a "petition" thread about how we do no want Origin to be required for ME:3 and just have all of us /sign the thread. That way it is simple, respectful and sends a clear message.

I am not certain though if such a thread would be removed.

There wouldn't be a reason to close such a thread, would there?

And if it's just /sign and if we refrain from making elaborate accusations or explaination or discussions I think it would be alright. However, if EA or BW will recognize this - I don't know. But it's worth a try.

Modifié par ColorMeSuprised, 04 novembre 2011 - 04:51 .