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[Mister Mida]

Last I checked petitions are not appreciated on the BSN. They get closed rather quickly.

[lastpatriot]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...


There wouldn't be a reason to close such a thread, would there?

And if it's just /sign and if we refrain from making elaborate accusations or explaination or discussions I think it would be alright. However, if EA or BW will recognize this - I don't know. But it's worth a try.

Ok, well then if I can get a basic list of statements from everyone on their reasons why Origin should not be part of ME:3, than I will create the thread.  I just want to make sure I the statement represents everyone.

[Gabey5]

Can we not sandbox Origin?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Gabey5 wrote...

Can we not sandbox Origin?

Supposedly, you can, and it works. 

However, I still hesitate to buy a game that requires Origin, on principle. 

Plus, there's the risk that EA changes something about Origin in order to combat sandboxing later. 

[Jade Elf]

Mister Mida wrote...

Last I checked petitions are not appreciated on the BSN. They get closed rather quickly.

That they do.

[tomas2377]

I just canceled my pre order of ME3 because of the Origin requirement. I will not install spyware of any kind on my computer.

Thank you to every one in this thread. If it hadn't been for all of you I would have never known that EA plans to violate my privacy and steal personal files and information from me using Origin.

The chances of identity theft is just too high.

[Cancer Puppet]

IsaacShep wrote...

All these 'always-online'/Securom checks and whatnot are so pointless. The copies that actually do get verified/checked are the legitimate copies. Pirated copies already have cracks installed long time before that. I mean, what's. the. point?

I was just about to say something similar. The people who want to pirate the game are going to find ways to get around copyright protections and the like. The inherent flaw with digital products (from a retail perspective) is that they can be manipulated and reproduced. Origin and it's ilk ultimately won't fix anything. There will be some people who are prevented from pirating, sure. I'd guess, however,  that for as many people who buy the game because they can't pirate it, that there just as many, if not more, who skip the game altogether or wait to pick it up when the price on shelves has plummeted. 

I understand that the gaming industry is trying to prevent what happened to both the music and film industries from happening to them. That said, these draconian measures to which some in the industry are going does, imo, more harm than good.

Irritating your paying customers is not a good business pratice. Ask Netflix.

I'd also like to say that I'm a console gamer and this issue doesn't effect me personnaly, so there's no bias coloring my opinion. Just to be clear. Not that there seems to really be anyone fervently defending DRM in here...

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:27 .

[Cancer Puppet]

tomas2377 wrote...

I just canceled my pre order of ME3 because of the Origin requirement. I will not install spyware of any kind on my computer.

Thank you to every one in this thread. If it hadn't been for all of you I would have never known that EA plans to violate my privacy and steal personal files and information from me using Origin.

The chances of identity theft is just too high.

You can avoid this problem altogether if you have a PS3 or 360. If you only game on PC you are, unfortunately, out of luck. It's also worth noting that you can use a PC to alter save files for the 360 version. PS3 doesn't allow that though; at least as far as the information from my google search results has yielded.

[lastpatriot]

tomas2377 wrote...

I just canceled my pre order of ME3 because of the Origin requirement. I will not install spyware of any kind on my computer.

Thank you to every one in this thread. If it hadn't been for all of you I would have never known that EA plans to violate my privacy and steal personal files and information from me using Origin.

The chances of identity theft is just too high.

I think it is unfortunate that you have to do this and that the company, as of yet, has not appeared to be concerned over the backlash that will likely come from problems with Origin.

Instead of the petition idea, does anyone have a valid email address that they can post there so we all can send a request to EA/BioWare? 

Modifié par lastpatriot, 04 novembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

tomas2377 wrote...

I just canceled my pre order of ME3 because of the Origin requirement. I will not install spyware of any kind on my computer.

Thank you to every one in this thread. If it hadn't been for all of you I would have never known that EA plans to violate my privacy and steal personal files and information from me using Origin.

The chances of identity theft is just too high.

You can avoid this problem altogether if you have a PS3 or 360. If you only game on PC you are, unfortunately, out of luck. It's also worth noting that you can use a PC to alter save files for the 360 version. PS3 doesn't allow that though; at least as far as the information from my google search results has yielded.

It's not that console gaming doesn't have its own issues, it's that they're different issues. 

And I'm certainly not spending several hundred dollars on a gimped computer that can only play games and pretend to be an entertainment system.

[lastpatriot]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Well, I've already said we are looking at this. I've already posted here, so we're obviously looking at it. I am teh guy who'll get your email, so we'll still be looking at it. It doesn't hurt to send it twice, but it is a tad redundant. Still, if it makes you feel better, there is no problem in sending emails as well as voicing your opinion here.

It should be also considered what Mr. Priestly stated in an earlier post.  Sadly enough, I didn't see this until I went back and did some more checking on the thread in detail.

[Kekkis]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

tomas2377 wrote...

I just canceled my pre order of ME3 because of the Origin requirement. I will not install spyware of any kind on my computer.

Thank you to every one in this thread. If it hadn't been for all of you I would have never known that EA plans to violate my privacy and steal personal files and information from me using Origin.

The chances of identity theft is just too high.

You can avoid this problem altogether if you have a PS3 or 360. If you only game on PC you are, unfortunately, out of luck. It's also worth noting that you can use a PC to alter save files for the 360 version. PS3 doesn't allow that though; at least as far as the information from my google search results has yielded.

Not sure if I would get PS3 after that minor incident Sony had with hackers stealing personal stuff from their servers.

[tomas2377]

It is just a shame that EA employs such unlawful methods these days.

While I have a XBOX360 (note: I don't have a XBOX360 Live account because I refuse to connect it to the internet.) I will not be getting ME3 for that system.

Sure I could use a save game editor to edit my PC save games for the XBOX360 version of ME3 but why should I? I am a PC gamer.

I prefer a mouse to a controller. Playing shooters with a mouse gives better reaction times.

If they don't change their Origin requirement for ME3 then I will miss out on the stories conclusion.

I hope that everyone who wants to infest their computers with that spyware makes tons of youtube videos though. That way I might still get to see the conclusion even if the variables are wrong (wrong LI; renegade instead of paragon etc.).

If they want my money then they should get rid of that spyware. My personal life is my own and none of EAs bussiness.

[Relshar]

Humm Origin as in Dragon Age Origins or something like SECUROM that Ubisoft uses ?

If its an account on this web site then I do not see a problem because your already posting to it. If its anti-pirate software for the game then it will be cracked within the week.
I honestly do not see the point of anti-pirate software its never worked properly and the only people that it harms are those that buy the game anyway.
Securom destroyed my HDD and I had to reinstall the OS because it messed up windows so bad I could not recover it. So I stopped buying Ubisoft games from new and only buy second hand ones for the ps3.

[tomas2377]

Relshar wrote...

Humm Origin as in Dragon Age Origins or something like SECUROM that Ubisoft uses ?

If its an account on this web site then I do not see a problem because your already posting to it. If its anti-pirate software for the game then it will be cracked within the week.
I honestly do not see the point of anti-pirate software its never worked properly and the only people that it harms are those that buy the game anyway.
Securom destroyed my HDD and I had to reinstall the OS because it messed up windows so bad I could not recover it. So I stopped buying Ubisoft games from new and only buy second hand ones for the ps3.

Origins is a spyware programm that is running in the background scanning your entire computer even non game relevant files.

There is evidence on youtube and german prime time news, newspapers etc. that it even goes through your bank account and tax programm files. It then shares that data with EA even though it is illegal.

Just one of my major issues with it.

Modifié par tomas2377, 04 novembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[Carl the Keeper]

This is from an interesting interview with Jesse Houston (http://bioware.wordpress.com/):


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Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?


Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially
launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the
connection.
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So Origin isn't required after installation? Or am I misinterpreting this?

[ColorMeSuprised]

Carl the Keeper wrote...

This is from an interesting interview with Jesse Houston (http://bioware.wordpress.com/):


----------
Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?


Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially
launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the
connection.
-----------

So Origin isn't required after installation? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Well... I'm confused myself. If you need the connection only once then I could unplug my Internet again from my gaming PC... Still doesn't mean I will let Origin on my harddrive.

[Robhuzz]

Carl the Keeper wrote...

This is from an interesting interview with Jesse Houston (http://bioware.wordpress.com/):


----------
Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?


Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially
launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the
connection.
-----------

So Origin isn't required after installation? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Might be the same as Steam. Running ME3 in offline mode would not require an internet connection but would still require Origin to be installed on my system. Like any 'solution' it's unacceptable to me. There is no compromise regarding mandatory Origin use in my books. I do not want it.

[Ghost-621]

EA is trying to tighten the noose on the used market and on their customers with one act (Origin Spyware).

What they're doing with tax info is what concerns and pisses me off to no end. I'm tempted to throw a brick through an EA office window with the Origin logo engraved in it, with a note saying "How's this for personal data?"

[DownyTif]

I've stated many time that I didn't want to pre-order ME3 because of my experience of DA2 (pre-ordered and got caught). I've been very vocal in this thread and other places about my opinion on Origin. But I decided I'll pre-order ME3 today!

Just to cancel it tomorrow

[Bcuz]

tomas2377 wrote...

It is just a shame that EA employs such unlawful methods these days.

While I have a XBOX360 (note: I don't have a XBOX360 Live account because I refuse to connect it to the internet.) I will not be getting ME3 for that system.

Sure I could use a save game editor to edit my PC save games for the XBOX360 version of ME3 but why should I? I am a PC gamer.

I prefer a mouse to a controller. Playing shooters with a mouse gives better reaction times.

If they don't change their Origin requirement for ME3 then I will miss out on the stories conclusion.

I hope that everyone who wants to infest their computers with that spyware makes tons of youtube videos though. That way I might still get to see the conclusion even if the variables are wrong (wrong LI; renegade instead of paragon etc.).

If they want my money then they should get rid of that spyware. My personal life is my own and none of EAs bussiness.

Are you deliberately trying to blow this out of proportion?

It isn't spyware, well... yes it is, but if EA does use it for truely malicious purposes, they will quickly cease to exist. Honestly my biggest worry is that EA will find something against their EULA that I wasn't even aware of, or they were mistaken in assuming. That and I don't like the idea of it going through my pr0n. It wont be used for identity theft, don't be stupid. It will however, go through files it simply doesn't need, which in and of itself is pointless and imoral if not; truely unlawful.

Say no to Origin, but don't make up absurd stories.

Modifié par Bcuz, 04 novembre 2011 - 08:16 .

[Johnsen1972]

I sometimes wish that all those fanboys who defend Origin and the EA EULA share the fate with that poor boy in the southpark episode.

http://www.southpark...oden/1501/?lang

Modifié par Johnsen1972, 04 novembre 2011 - 08:50 .

[Dragoonlordz]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

Carl the Keeper wrote...

This is from an interesting interview with Jesse Houston (http://bioware.wordpress.com/):


----------
Will ME3 require an internet connection for each launching of the SP game, or will it retain ME2′s single verification method?


Mass Effect 3 PC will require the internet connection when you initially
launch and authorize it but then you will no longer require the
connection.
-----------

So Origin isn't required after installation? Or am I misinterpreting this?

Well... I'm confused myself. If you need the connection only once then I could unplug my Internet again from my gaming PC... Still doesn't mean I will let Origin on my harddrive.

I believe what it means is no different than authorising/registering the game like many others in past decade. Log in put in code contained in pack in past this time don't know if have to put in code but will have to load Origin just once to register your copy basically. Much like have to do with Windows OS and most applications these days.

The actual question should of asked is if [install game>register/authorise>can you uninstall origin and still load the game to play without origin staying installed].

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 04 novembre 2011 - 09:07 .

[ColorMeSuprised]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The actual question should of asked is if [install game>register/authorise>can you uninstall origin and still load the game to play without origin staying installed].

Or do you even NEED Origin.

Even IF you could uninstall Origin and still play... I don't want that thing on my harddrive.

[MarauderESP]

the problem is that origin start scanning while instaling and before it shows the eula then continue scaning folders that are not related to €A or origin, that is unaceptable if i have to install that software to play a retail copy