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[Robhuzz]

Relshar wrote...

Just one question
Do we get the option to not install Origin? Or will it just install it without us knowing?

That would settle the entire topic for me. If Origin is not mandatory then there's no problem. Can't hate it simply because it exists. Anyway, if Origin is required then you'll need to install origin first before you can even install ME3. Not installing Origin is simply not an option.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Relshar wrote...

Just one question
Do we get the option to not install Origin? Or will it just install it without us knowing?

You will likely be forced to install Origin to play Mass Effect 3 on PC. Unless they modify this soon, although my issue isn't so much with the platform, but the TOS and misconduct of that platform.

[Gvaz]

Origin is a piece of ****. Release it on steam and then we'll talk.

I'm not going to buy an origin exclusive game.

Modifié par GvazElite, 06 novembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[Relshar]

Robhuzz wrote...

Relshar wrote...

Just one question
Do we get the option to not install Origin? Or will it just install it without us knowing?

That would settle the entire topic for me. If Origin is not mandatory then there's no problem. Can't hate it simply because it exists. Anyway, if Origin is required then you'll need to install origin first before you can even install ME3. Not installing Origin is simply not an option.

Time to cancle the pre-order then till its cleared up.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You are welcome to continue to discuss this topic until we can give you clarification on the issue.

HOWEVER, discussion of piracy, cracking games, ways to get around copy protection and similar comments will result in people being banned and the discussion closed. We do not allow such discussion here.

Hello, Big Brother.

Pretty much. 

Never mind what someone might consider "getting around copy protection"... I can think of a few organizations and corporations who probably would consider sandboxing Origin to be "getting around copy protection".

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

And there they rather clearly stated they wanted to harvest data and sell it to 3rd party companies.

Where did they state that though?

The only part I could see in the EULA relating to this was:

Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone.

We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA’s legal rights.

That's a modified EULA you are quoting from. It's been changed several times by now after the initial outrage hit the web.

The early versions clearly stated the harvesting and selling to 3rd party companies, but got removed and vague terms where swapped in instead to try and appease a growing amount of dissenters that were crying murder on th web.

The one I quoted from is from August. 4 months ago since its November now.

-Edited-

The old EULA clearly demonstrates EA's actual intent.  Everything they've done since then is to try to obfuscate and confuse. 

This is no different from the hasty changes I've watched local governments make to ordinances and laws being pushed through, after being called out on the clear unethical and even unlawful intent in the original wording. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 06 novembre 2011 - 09:50 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

That Origin sends scans anything or sends anything is the problem. That Origin exists is the problem.

Send anything is your problem with it, sends anything is not my problem with it instead what that anything has inside of that anything is what will define if I have a problem with it. What I consider ok to send is different to what you consider ok to send.

I asked for evidence of what they do send and not assumptions or interpretation. Because then I can decide if that anything does indeed cause me to have problem with it. I am not being overly mean on purpose but it feels like people are stonewalling me for evidence to base my decision on. One side shown what origin "scans" and what their "interpretation" of the EULA is. The other side has shown a source comprised of content saying their interpretation is "inaccurate". This only leaves proof that it scans your system nothing more and nothing less.

The fact that it scans your system at all and sends anything -- anything -- back to EA is the problem. 

[Halfdan The Menace]

Hellzzz no, I'm not buyin' it...

*what about newcomers that didn't even play ME1 and ME2?*

[Andy379]

Whatever. It's not an issue.

[Series5Ranger]

Robhuzz wrote...

1. Please don't confuse that damnable program with one of the greatest (imo) games of all time. It's Origin - Not Origins

I could say something snarky about a certain game studio by a certain name and the company who bought them out and ran them into the ground and how I see the same pattern with another certain game studio, but I'll stop now.

[Lukertin]

Xeranx wrote...
Are you saying they automatically have the right if I don't voice an opinion either way?  

If the country you live in works that way then I'm not going to tell you what's good for you.  Where I live, people don't get access to whatever's on your hard drive (in your house) without a warrant which means they need probable cause.  Heck, they don't get ready access to anything on your person without consent or probable cause.  As that's the case, no one has a right to anything of my own without my expressed agreement.  They can go and kick rocks for all I care.

Non-government persons don't need probable cause to access your private property. Yes, if they don't have your permission, it is a common law trespass, (possibly rising to criminal trespass), but you are confusing so many things it isn't even funny.

[Lukertin]

Savadrin wrote...
either way the point is moot in the end. it took less than 24 hours for blizzards starcraft 2 to get cracked and modded to play without battlenet, and EA's BF3 already has a crack for it. if Mass Effect 3 requires origin to play on PC, it will suffer the same fate.

all that money companies invest in their products in the name of stopping piracy is moot, it's going to happen. most people just pay for the game anyway. they could make better games if they'd stop wasting money and man-hours in the attempt and just focus on the game.

Nobody has yet cracked multiplayer for starcraft2 without a valid game license, so no, your point is wrong. Blizzard's investment in anti-piracy has paid off. Yea, I recognize that there were supposedly millions of 'illegal torrents' of Starcraft2 within a month of its release. It's nothing more than bull****, I legally purchased Starcraft2, and I downloaded a copy via torrent because at the time, Blizzard's distribution service was way too slow. How many people do you think did the same thing as me? What is the point of pirating sc2 if all you can do is play the singleplayer? pathetic, I don't think Blizzard cares, at all.

Modifié par Lukertin, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:31 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Lukertin wrote...

Savadrin wrote...
either way the point is moot in the end. it took less than 24 hours for blizzards starcraft 2 to get cracked and modded to play without battlenet, and EA's BF3 already has a crack for it. if Mass Effect 3 requires origin to play on PC, it will suffer the same fate.

all that money companies invest in their products in the name of stopping piracy is moot, it's going to happen. most people just pay for the game anyway. they could make better games if they'd stop wasting money and man-hours in the attempt and just focus on the game.

Nobody has yet cracked multiplayer for starcraft2 without a valid game license, so no, your point is wrong. Blizzard's investment in anti-piracy has paid off. Yea, I recognize that there were supposedly millions of 'illegal torrents' of Starcraft2 within a month of its release. It's nothing more than bull****, I legally purchased Starcraft2, and I downloaded a copy via torrent because at the time, Blizzard's distribution service was way too slow. How many people do you think did the same thing as me? What is the point of pirating sc2 if all you can do is play the singleplayer? pathetic, I don't think Blizzard cares, at all.

Um, you do know the game was cracked shortly thereafter launch. There were several people I played with competitively who either had cracked online copies or knew people with cracked copies. So in short no, it didn't stop people from going online with pirated copies. Trust me, there is a saying, if they want to, they will.

And making the arguement of security through forced Origin use is one thing, saying that their privacy invasion and crappy ownership rights are fine is a crime in itself.

[Dragoonlordz]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

@ Dragoonlordz 

Having read most of your comments on this thread, including your statement that you wouldn't read 66 pages to find the (links to) numerous screenshots, videos, news articles, web articles, lawyer's statements clearly shows me - and I assume also some others - that you seem to be believing in free lunch in life; there is no such thing. Go educate yourself first. And shouldn't you speak the language used on those sites - no problem - just use services provided for free by e.g. Google or Microsoft to have it translated. But it appears to me and it would be my guess that you're too lazy for that as well.

Whilst ignoring the above mentioned sources, that you can find on this thread,  you don't even come up with evidence yourself, which you ought to be capable of to a) prove your view on things and statements and much more importantly falsify statements and "evidence" provided on this thread. But "oh no" - is not willing to read. Yes, some things take an effort.

To cut a long story short: I guess you are in the wrong thread anyway, which you would have had the chance to notice, had you actually read what most people on here talk about, what their concerns are and what kind of material was provided (e.g. by sharing links). You seem to be fine with how things are, so move along and find yourself another thread and topic.

#edit: typonese

Tell you what princess. You stump up millions and millions and more millions of your own money then you can publish and develop whatever you want ~the way you want. Since you won't do that (big shock there) then just don't buy the games they publish and get on with your life if your so offended. I made my statement very clear on last page or so and also said I was willing to leave it at that but if you wish to take pot shots at me, don't be surprised if I respond.

P.s. Little fella, the one who appears to be asking for free lunch is yourself and not the other way around.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[N0-Future]

DRUNK_CANADIAN wrote...

Lukertin wrote...

Savadrin wrote...
either way the point is moot in the end. it took less than 24 hours for blizzards starcraft 2 to get cracked and modded to play without battlenet, and EA's BF3 already has a crack for it. if Mass Effect 3 requires origin to play on PC, it will suffer the same fate.

all that money companies invest in their products in the name of stopping piracy is moot, it's going to happen. most people just pay for the game anyway. they could make better games if they'd stop wasting money and man-hours in the attempt and just focus on the game.

Nobody has yet cracked multiplayer for starcraft2 without a valid game license, so no, your point is wrong. Blizzard's investment in anti-piracy has paid off. Yea, I recognize that there were supposedly millions of 'illegal torrents' of Starcraft2 within a month of its release. It's nothing more than bull****, I legally purchased Starcraft2, and I downloaded a copy via torrent because at the time, Blizzard's distribution service was way too slow. How many people do you think did the same thing as me? What is the point of pirating sc2 if all you can do is play the singleplayer? pathetic, I don't think Blizzard cares, at all.

Um, you do know the game was cracked shortly thereafter launch. There were several people I played with competitively who either had cracked online copies or knew people with cracked copies. So in short no, it didn't stop people from going online with pirated copies. Trust me, there is a saying, if they want to, they will.

And making the arguement of security through forced Origin use is one thing, saying that their privacy invasion and crappy ownership rights are fine is a crime in itself.

I aggree with Drunk_canadian on this, I have yet to encounter a piece of DRM/Anti piracy software that cant be cracked or bypassed in some way, if they force consumers to use Origin when there are over 100 pages of   anti-origin statements in this thread and the last thread ( that was locked ).
Origin will undoubtly suffer the same fate.

Modifié par N0-Future, 07 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[Lumikki]

Lukertin wrote...

Xeranx wrote...
Are you saying they automatically have the right if I don't voice an opinion either way?  

If the country you live in works that way then I'm not going to tell you what's good for you.  Where I live, people don't get access to whatever's on your hard drive (in your house) without a warrant which means they need probable cause.  Heck, they don't get ready access to anything on your person without consent or probable cause.  As that's the case, no one has a right to anything of my own without my expressed agreement.  They can go and kick rocks for all I care.

Non-government persons don't need probable cause to access your private property. Yes, if they don't have your permission, it is a common law trespass, (possibly rising to criminal trespass), but you are confusing so many things it isn't even funny.

Without warrant no-one can access someones private property without owners permission.  Warrant can only be get by some goverment persons, when they have lawful cause, signed by court. There is few exception for this rules, related mostly situation where life or property is in danger. Example house in fire.

The bold sentense should be: Non-goverment person can't even get warrant to access your private property.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:27 .

[Vegos]

Lumikki wrote...
Without warrant no-one can access someones private property without owners permission.  Warrant can only be get by some goverment persons, when they have lawful cause, signed by court. There is few exception for this rules, related mostly situation where life or property is in danger. Example house in fire.

The bold sentense should be: Non-goverment person can't even get warrant to access your private property.

Exactly, what level of access to your private property is allowed to non-government persons is completely at your discretion.

[Embrosil]

Gatt9 wrote...

Further,  the purchaser has no recourse after getting home,  and starting the installation.  At least in the U.S.,  few if any retailers will accept an opened game for full refund.  So buy the time the purchaser is officially made aware of the terms,  the purchaser cannot reject the contract and nullify the purchase.  By the time the purchaser is first made aware of the full terms and conditions,  his money has already been pocketed,  and will not be returned if he chooses not to enter the agreement.  This is not legal.  You cannot take someone's money,  then give them the terms of the contract,  and then refuse to return the money if the terms are not acceptable,  unless such an agreement was made beforehand.  General Motors cannot take my money for  a lease,  then present me a contract that says I must share the car with 12 other people,  and refuse to return my money when I won't agree to that.  The terms must be presented beforehand.

That is strange. Here in Europe if you do not agree with EULA, you can take an opened copy of the game beack to the shop and demad a refund. It is not your fault that you do not agree. I guess it is different in the USA though.

[Lumikki]

Embrosil wrote...

That is strange. Here in Europe if you do not agree with EULA, you can take an opened copy of the game beack to the shop and demad a refund. It is not your fault that you do not agree. I guess it is different in the USA though.

Not in everywhere in EU, it's depending about countries and even shops too.

[Dariuszp]

Lumikki wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

That is strange. Here in Europe if you do not agree with EULA, you can take an opened copy of the game beack to the shop and demad a refund. It is not your fault that you do not agree. I guess it is different in the USA though.

Not in everywhere in EU, it's depending about countries and even shops too.

Check consumer rights. Once you disagree with EULA you can just return software. That's it. If they don't want to take it - just write complain to some goverment agency that handle consumer rights. Some people THINK that they cannot do something because shop refuse it. But it's not true. They refuse it and they are breaking the law.

[lltoon]

Lukertin wrote...

Savadrin wrote...
either way the point is moot in the end. it took less than 24 hours for blizzards starcraft 2 to get cracked and modded to play without battlenet, and EA's BF3 already has a crack for it. if Mass Effect 3 requires origin to play on PC, it will suffer the same fate.

all that money companies invest in their products in the name of stopping piracy is moot, it's going to happen. most people just pay for the game anyway. they could make better games if they'd stop wasting money and man-hours in the attempt and just focus on the game.

Nobody has yet cracked multiplayer for starcraft2 without a valid game license, so no, your point is wrong. Blizzard's investment in anti-piracy has paid off. Yea, I recognize that there were supposedly millions of 'illegal torrents' of Starcraft2 within a month of its release. It's nothing more than bull****, I legally purchased Starcraft2, and I downloaded a copy via torrent because at the time, Blizzard's distribution service was way too slow. How many people do you think did the same thing as me? What is the point of pirating sc2 if all you can do is play the singleplayer? pathetic, I don't think Blizzard cares, at all.

God, your statement is so damn stupid.

People don't crack games to play it's multiplayer.

[Savadrin]

Lukertin wrote...

Nobody has yet cracked multiplayer for starcraft2 without a valid game license, so no, your point is wrong. Blizzard's investment in anti-piracy has paid off. Yea, I recognize that there were supposedly millions of 'illegal torrents' of Starcraft2 within a month of its release. It's nothing more than bull****, I legally purchased Starcraft2, and I downloaded a copy via torrent because at the time, Blizzard's distribution service was way too slow. How many people do you think did the same thing as me? What is the point of pirating sc2 if all you can do is play the singleplayer? pathetic, I don't think Blizzard cares, at all.

i don't care about multi-player one bit. i'm on dialup in the middle of no-where alaska. my multi-player is split-screen halo: reach when my nearest neighbor, who lives 12 miles away, rides over on her snow-mobile. and when she does that we rarely play videogames. i was infuriated that when i installed SC2 it wouldn't let me play the single player campaign until after it connected to "activate", but before it would finish activating it had to download a patch, which took DAYS on my connection. then, when i tried to play single player mode, i required i connect to the internet. then it was unable to stay connected because i'm on dialup.

so i make the hour and a half trip to town, and the store won't give me a refund, never mind the fact that the label on the box only says "broadband connection required for online play." it says nothing to warn that you have to be online to play the single player mode.

and to say that blizzard doesn't care about it, look at diablo 3. i was going to get that game when it comes out, but thankfully they've stated ahead of time that you can only play it online, it won't save any of your characters info on your computer.

it's... it's just retarded, all that money spent on developing all this shady protective software could be going into core game development to make better games. they're trying to bar the door to the chicken coop after the fox has already got in and killed the chickens and left. you can call the origin client a marketing tool or anything you want, but at it's core it's just a big corporation afraid of losing potential profits, and even if EA's intent is 100% benign, it's still just one more program running in the background bogging down your computer, wasting system resources, which could otherwise be used by the game itself to be more awesome.

over all the discussion tossed back and forth in this thread though, the question seems to be "do you have to keep origin running in order to play in single player mode?" people deserve a clear and concise answer to whether or not origin will
be required to run while playing the single player game. yes, they've
stated origin will be required to activate the game. that is not a complete answer!!!

can you uninstall it after you activate ME3? does it require activation every time you start up the game, and then you can close it? or does it keep running while the ME3 client is open and you are playing the single player story? can i play mass effect 3 if i am not connected to the internet?

i worry about this because there are even a few xbox 360 games i've bought that i coudn't play because they required i sign into xbox live. i'm on 56k dialup, i can't sign into xbox live. i'm lucky to stay connected for more than half an hour at a time, and checking my email takes a good half hour most days. videogames are one of my few escapes, especially in the winter, aside from watching moose humping from my back porch, but every year it gets more and more annoying to bother with them.

EDIT: more annoying to bother with videogames. i don't bother moose, they're freakin huge, and mean, and their rear ends are too high.

Modifié par Savadrin, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:29 .

[hangmans tree]

ironman001 wrote...

The phone calls and sms in the phone program folder  

Is this, like, for real?
And EA still argues its a right approach to theri customer?
We NEED Tyler Durden..

Dariuszp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

That
is strange. Here in Europe if you do not agree with EULA, you can take
an opened copy of the game beack to the shop and demad a refund. It is
not your fault that you do not agree. I guess it is different in the USA
though.

Not in everywhere in EU, it's depending about countries and even shops too.

Check
consumer rights. Once you disagree with EULA you can just return
software. That's it. If they don't want to take it - just write complain
to some goverment agency that handle consumer rights. Some people THINK
that they cannot do something because shop refuse it. But it's not
true. They refuse it and they are breaking the law.

Unfortunately
this is not right in most cases. After you remove the original
packaging all your rights to return the product are void.

That
is why in my case I NEED to know about Origin prior my purchase. Since
most important features are not included in the print/cover of the
product we cant be sure untill we read EULA which moronically requires
unboxing... and then my dear sir, we are screwd without any lubricant.

Modifié par hangmans tree, 07 novembre 2011 - 10:00 .