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[Aliens Crew]

I think, that we don't get an answer from BioWare about this matter in the near future. I have "talked" to Stanley Woo, the guy who close down the original Origin-Thread. So he didn't denied my request to make this dialogue puplic, I do it right now. Read it and judge by yourself:



Me: Can you please tell me, why you close-down the thread I named above and link it to a thread where the discussion about this theme is not welcome?

Thank you for quick answer.
 
 
Stanley: Discussion of Origin in general should be done in our Off-Topic forum. And there is a multiplayer FAQ thread which contains many of the forum's most frequently asked questions about Mass effect 3, the answers to some of which may be provided today. After today, we'll determine what threads will go forward.
 
 
Me: I think that the discussion about Origin is something that belongs to ME 3 if we need to install it to play this game. That is the big question! The only one that I'm thinking about at the moment. And this question wasn't be answered yesterday.

So, when will we get the answer for that question?

I and many others I know will not buy the game, when it requires Origin. This programm is a border for me I will not cross. And that means, you will loose a first-hour-customer. I have all your games. From Baldur's Gate to Dragon Age II (incl. Shattered Steel). But if I need Origin to play ME 3, this will be the first one, I don't will buy.
 
 
 
Stanley: If you're waiting on an answer to make your buying decision, I suppose it doesn't really matter when we respond, does it, as long as it's before release?
 

 
Me: That isn't an answer for that question, or is it?

I'm not the only one, who is seeking for that answer. And many of the other of your customer who also wait have preorder ME 3. They also want to know what is going on, so they can decide wheter they cancel it or not.

Will you and your firm really want them to step through the dark? Why does BioWare make a stand to this matter, so that all of your customers knows, whereby they are?

I can do it, if you want. With your permission I will post this conversation in one of the Origin-Threads, so that everyone can draw his/her own conclusion of this matter.
 
 
Stanley: >>That isn't an answer for that question, or is it?
It is not. I'm just saying that, if that's your reason for asking, it shouldn't matter whether we answer it now or later.

>>many of the other of your customer who also wait have preorder ME 3. They also want to know what is going on, so they can decide wheter they cancel it or not.
That's fair, though I doubt you are requesting an answer solely to benefit others.

>>Will you and your firm really want them to step through the dark?
Likely not. There are still several months until release and we will be talking about the game during that time. It is possible an answer will come within that time.



That's all. My conclusion is, that BioWare intends "to sit the situation out" and they will not tell us, what they will do, until the release of ME 3 in order to prevent the cancellation of more preoders. But this is only my opinion. You must get your own.

[N0-Future]

I also asked why Stanley Woo closed the Origin thread, And I received the same answer:
Here it is.

" Discussion of Origin in general should be done in our Off-Topic forum. There is also a multiplayer FAQ thread open for the forum's most frequently asked questions about Mass Effect 3 and multiplayer, and some answers will be provided today. After that, we'll determine what threads will go forward ".

Modifié par N0-Future, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:06 .

[AgamenonAtreides]

Then all must cancel the pre-orders now, and the release day buy it in the case than hasn´t that cr*p of Origin

[charmingcharlie]

I think what Stanley was getting at is that "general" discussion about Origin such as how it works and the advantages/disadvantages does not belong in the ME 3 forum.  That is why if you want to discuss the general issues around Origin you are best to use the topic in the off topic forum.

However a topic regarding whether ME 3 will use Origin does belong on the Mass Effect 3 forum.  So as long as we keep the discussion centred around Mass Effect 3 and whether it will have Origin and how it will use Origin then we should be ok.

I have yet to cancel my pre-order, I will keep it going till I see what Jesse Houston has to say in this FAQ.  I have zero interest in the multiplayer component of Mass Effect 3 and I am buying it purely for the single player experience now in my books I shouldn't need to install Origin to experience the single player game.  So we will see what happens with this FAQ.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 15 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[N0-Future]

I cancelled my Pre-order as soon as I found out about Origin, I didn't know it even existed until I read about it on this forum. I may re-order ME3 if or when the Origin question has been answered to my satisfaction.

[Dreadcall]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

I'm sure pirates will find a way, then customers will suffer more than freeloaders, then people will say it encourages piracy, cue vicious cycle.

Well you see, that is exactly the problem. Pirates will at worst have to wait a week or two for a proper crack. Paying customers on the other hand are the ones, and the only ones mind you, to suffer the consequences. 

[Nathander Von Eric]

Unfortunately EA/Bioware's EULA for the game does state that Origin will be required for Mass Effect 3.
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http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

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I really wish that some Bioware guy's would have replied to the post that went on for a month on this.

I really wish Bioware would give us their take and explanation about Origin.

I don't care if it's on the ME3 discussion forum or the off topic forum.

Of course, the requirement of installing Origin to be able to play ME3 pretty much makes the two intrinsically intertwined so it's a bit intellectually dishonest to say that Origin is off topic.

But it's not like just scrolling down the forum home page to get to the off topic forum is a major undertaking so.......meh.

I'm very upset about this Origin thing.

[JGDD]

Shepard the Leper wrote...

I doubt that will help. The only full-prove method would be to create a dual-boot system.

A Windows-install to play Origin games only; and a Windows-install for everything else. A waste of HDD space and Windows keys, annoying to re-boot your system when you want to play an Origin game, but it completely blocks EA to scan your "real" system.

[edit] Would be fun when most folks would do this. EA would only find Windows, drivers and Origin through data-mining ;-)

Heh, I've already had that last part in mind. Highly doubt Origin will be an optional part of ME3 whether SP or multiplayer at this point and I do want to finish the trilogy. My option is going to be simple since I have three different PC's around here. Just a clean install of Windows on the older desktop > transfer all saves to it > play. Isolated from anything "sensitive" I couldn't care less what they peek at in that one.

[Robhuzz]

Simplest fix I could think of: Would it work if I installed Origin, then start installing ME3, then after online verification I shut off my internet connection and install ME3 like normal. After that, any time I have to start Origin to start up ME3 I just turn off my internet? It can scan all it wants but without an internet connection it shouldn't be able to send any data... Since some of you guys said it really does not scan your pc when Origin is not active (had to wait for confirmation on that - That's how little trust I put in anything EA claims)

ETA: Maybe some messing around with Origin could also work? I'm no expert on this but I guess Origin saves the data it takes from your pc in a special folder before sending, would it be possible to mess around with this folder a bit, making sure Origin can't save any data there or something? Assuming it wouldn't just save the data somewhere else?

Modifié par Robhuzz, 15 octobre 2011 - 04:27 .

[billy the squid]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I think what Stanley was getting at is that "general" discussion about Origin such as how it works and the advantages/disadvantages does not belong in the ME 3 forum.  That is why if you want to discuss the general issues around Origin you are best to use the topic in the off topic forum.

However a topic regarding whether ME 3 will use Origin does belong on the Mass Effect 3 forum.  So as long as we keep the discussion centred around Mass Effect 3 and whether it will have Origin and how it will use Origin then we should be ok.

I have yet to cancel my pre-order, I will keep it going till I see what Jesse Houston has to say in this FAQ.  I have zero interest in the multiplayer component of Mass Effect 3 and I am buying it purely for the single player experience now in my books I shouldn't need to install Origin to experience the single player game.  So we will see what happens with this FAQ.

I don't think the product would seperate the features, single player and multiplayer, when applying Origin, as with many games which use Steam and from what I've seen when using the EAdownload manager, now Origin, if you play the game you are required to install the client, end of, there doesn't appear to be a distinction between what features one actually uses.

[JGDD]

Robhuzz wrote...

Simplest fix I could think of: Would it work if I installed Origin, then start installing ME3, then after online verification I shut off my internet connection and install ME3 like normal. After that, any time I have to start Origin to start up ME3 I just turn off my internet? It can scan all it wants but without an internet connection it shouldn't be able to send any data... Since some of you guys said it really does not scan your pc when Origin is not active (had to wait for confirmation on that - That's how little trust I put in anything EA claims)

Users need to know if Origin is mandatory for ME3 before that can be answered with any sort of accuracy. There is potential for that with both single player and multiplayer. Until we get the FAQ it's just supposition and really not doing you any justice with your question.

EDIT: Upon further consideration...you are already owned if you installed the client and go online to verify. The data has been gathered and sent before you can do anything about it.

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 15 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[billy the squid]

didymos1120 wrote...

billy the squid wrote...
 Yet, from what I've read from some other rather tech minded chaps it doesn't look at common registry keys and other common folders for software, but it does look in the ProgramData.

OK, but what files specifically in Program Data?  'Cause that's a sort of scratch area used for semi-permanent data (if you're familiar with Linux or other Unices, it's kind of like the /var directory, though it's not as widely used or as standardized, because each user also has a separate AppData folder).  For instance, Origin keeps installers for downloaded games there if you've told it to keep those around. I presume that's also where it keeps them while downloding.  You'll also find various installation logs, random license files for apps, and stuff like that in there.

Apparantly it scans the all the folders and I think all the files, it even scans the icon files. Which is why it's strange, why does it scan things like this? I don't see how it would benefit EA, other than providing a lot of irrelevant info. I've included the info in the off topic forums for those who want to look. NB: it is not mine, just what I've found, so I can only provide limited answers regarding it.

[charmingcharlie]

billy the squid wrote...

I don't think the product would seperate the features, single player and multiplayer, when applying Origin, as with many games which use Steam and from what I've seen when using the EAdownload manager, now Origin, if you play the game you are required to install the client, end of, there doesn't appear to be a distinction between what features one actually uses.

I admit that basically I am "hoping against hope" here but there is no harm in waiting to see what the FAQ has to say before I finish with the franchise.  I am pretty much expecting the FAQ to be something along the lines of "hey Origin isn't bad honest guys it isn't".  But I shall wait and see what Jesse and the team has to say about Origin.

[didymos1120]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Unfortunately EA/Bioware's EULA for the game does state that Origin will be required for Mass Effect 3.
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http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

*snip*

That page is specifically about digital edtions of the listed games purchased via Origin.  So, um, yeah: if you buy it off Origin and download it with Origin, it's kinda gonna require, you know, Origin.

[didymos1120]

billy the squid wrote...

Apparantly it scans the all the folders and I think all the files, it even scans the icon files.

Hmm.  Website icons are often stored in there, so that might be of interest.  The other icons, probably not.

[JGDD]

didymos1120 wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

Unfortunately EA/Bioware's EULA for the game does state that Origin will be required for Mass Effect 3.
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http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

*snip*

That page is specifically about digital edtions of the listed games purchased via Origin.  So, um, yeah: if you buy it off Origin and download it with Origin, it's kinda gonna require, you know, Origin.

While that bit is true, there's also this:

Q: Is Origin required to play my game, even if I didn't buy it on Origin?
A: Beginning in September of 2011, most new PC
games from EA will benefit from the enhanced features provided by Origin
integrated into the games. PC players will be required to log-in to
Origin to play new EA games so you are getting the best possible
experience with the full set of online features to connect and play with
friends, get help when you need it and keep the game updated with the
latest content. Whether you purchase the game on Origin.com, from
another site for digital downloads, or at retail for physical discs, new
games will require you to have the Origin to play. If you didn't buy
your game on Origin, Origin will be included in the installer for the
game.

When playing games offline, Origin log-in will not
be required to play. For older EA catalog games, Origin is not required
to play - though we recommend you use the Origin application for fast,
seamless downloads, auto-patching and additional social features.

That was taken from here.

Now the question is how much will pertain to ME3 and if it has/will be changed.

[ironman001]

Ladies and Gentleman's this is from a topic of are friend Bogsnot1 :
Q) Will Origin be required for PC owners to install and/or run the game, either SP or Co-op? IsaacShep
A) According to the ME3 EULA on Amazon, yes, it is required for installation. Link (PDF)
Note: I am currently investigating, and testing, legal methods which would render Origin's snooping behaviour null and void, like running it through a virtual machine setup such as Virtualbox. I shall post my findings in the Origin discussion thread in the Off Topic forum, here. This may take a little bit of time, as my system is now blue-screening like crazy following a power outage last night.
SO LET BE KNOW THAT ORIGIN IS REQUESTED TO PLAY MASS EFFECT 3 thank you for your attention.
PS. Is great to know that there is still some people(player) that respect they laws and are not some mindless consumer that buy and accept any s**t from corporations without thinking.

[GMagnum]

hey if yall pc dudes dont wanna fk with dat origin sht and wanna play it on 360 lemme kno we can fk some nggas up in co-op

[shepskisaac]

Is it possible to transfer PC saves to PS3?

[GMagnum]

i dont think so. i knw u can DL a save dats made for PS3/360 then load it up on da console but i dont think wut u said is possible

[Melchiah109]

GMagnum wrote...

hey if yall pc dudes dont wanna fk with dat origin sht and wanna play it on 360 lemme kno we can fk some nggas up in co-op

Meh, I already use Steam and the only thing different from it's clause and Origin's is the text color. My Xbawks red ringed last night anyways. I'm not bothering with another console until the next gens, probably.

[didymos1120]

IsaacShep wrote...

Is it possible to transfer PC saves to PS3?

PS3 saves use a very different format.  It's basically one giant file per career which is why the save corruption issue on PS3 was so bad.  It would hose entire characters at a stroke.

[billy the squid]

GMagnum wrote...

hey if yall pc dudes dont wanna fk with dat origin sht and wanna play it on 360 lemme kno we can fk some nggas up in co-op

Please try and use at least passable spelling, grammar and syntax, it hurts me trying to read your writing.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 octobre 2011 - 05:49 .

[shepskisaac]

didymos1120 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Is it possible to transfer PC saves to PS3?

PS3 saves use a very different format.  It's basically one giant file per career which is why the save corruption issue on PS3 was so bad.  It would hose entire characters at a stroke.

Great... So I'm stuck with ME on PC & Origin

[Hathur]

@Gmagnum using the n-word? Really? <_< Can you please save that foul language for when you're screaming at kids in Halo or COD and leave it out of the forums?

Much obliged.

Modifié par Hathur, 15 octobre 2011 - 05:53 .