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[cocla]

BeastMTL wrote...



Source:

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016[/url]

That sort of nails it, doesnt it.

Yea, Origin is even required for the Xbox/PS3 now.  Likely that if you dont log into origin then you cant access any DLC, updates, or multiplayer.

Will probably also be like the serberous network, if you bought it used then you have to pay so much to get a code to activate it and get access to all of that. 

Modifié par cocla, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:24 .

[SalsaDMA]

RocShemp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, EA may change how the Origin client works related data collection.

But until they do just that, why would you reward them with your money?  As I recall, I similar DRM debacle ocurred with the original Mass Effect.  Since Bioware/EA got enough negative press, they issued a patch that removed that particular DRM and subsequent pressings of the game excluded said DRM.

So until something similar occurs with ME3, I see no reason for giving them my money.

Not to mention that they reserve the right to change the EULA and software at any given time once you accepted it and installed it.

So even if they caved in now and behaved, it's quite clear they would resume their antics once they got it installed on enough systems.

Nope. I lost all faith and trust in EA and I won't touch anything from them that require me to install anything EXCEPT only the game I potentially bought from them. It's a shame they dragged Bioware into this mess, cause I genuinly apreciated bioware games in the past. But I guess it won't be the first gaming studio they messed up after taking it over. The name 'Origin' bears its own mockery of such happenings in the past...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lumikki wrote...

Dariuszp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

That is strange. Here in Europe if you do not agree with EULA, you can take an opened copy of the game beack to the shop and demad a refund. It is not your fault that you do not agree. I guess it is different in the USA though.

Not in everywhere in EU, it's depending about countries and even shops too.

Check consumer rights. Once you disagree with EULA you can just return software. That's it. If they don't want to take it - just write complain to some goverment agency that handle consumer rights. Some people THINK that they cannot do something because shop refuse it. But it's not true. They refuse it and they are breaking the law.

Yes, but are you sure EVERY country in EU has that in they LAW's? Because even if all EU countries are part of EU, they still have induvidual laws.

And in the US, there is no such law.  Once you open that package, many retailers do not allow you to return software -- they allow exchange in the case of faulty media, missing package contents, etc. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

BeastMTL wrote...



Source:

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016[/url]

That sort of nails it, doesnt it.

So much for the "LoL get the game on console" response we've been seeing from some posters...

[Jade Elf]

BeastMTL wrote...



Source:

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016[/url]

That sort of nails it, doesnt it.

Not really. All EA account are or will be called Origin accounts, including everyone's account here at BSN. That has little to do with the actual software that you (might) have to install on your PC.

[Savadrin]

Jade Elf wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...



Source:

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016[/url]

That sort of nails it, doesnt it.

Not really. All EA account are or will be called Origin accounts, including everyone's account here at BSN. That has little to do with the actual software that you (might) have to install on your PC.

also, mass effect 2 asks if i want to auto-log into cerberus network, but doesn't keep me from playing ME2 when i can't. if ME3 works the same way i'll be fine. although i'll also be hoping for a fancy GOTY editon that includes the eventual DLC at some point as well.

[Mister Mida]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


So much for the "LoL get the game on console" response we've been seeing from some posters...

Not really. It just gives you the option to log in to your account. The client has nothing to do with it. Pretty much like logging in to UPlay on Ubisoft games.

[zweistein_J]

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

[RocShemp]

I feel I need to clarify something. I didn't get the ME3 EULA from Amazon. I got it from EA. Here's the site where I found that EULA: http://www.ea.com/1/...4lsixaz4xlf7nka

From there, scroll down until you see "Mass Effect 3" and a truncated version of it's EULA.  Click on "Mass Effect 3" and it takes you to the full EULA here: http://eacom.s3.amaz....5.11 FINAL.pdf

Modifié par RocShemp, 07 novembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Gabey5]

yeah to get any dlc content or anything uploaded here you will have to have origin on your computer regardless of gaming system

so we are all screwed

[SalsaDMA]

Gabey5 wrote...

yeah to get any dlc content or anything uploaded here you will have to have origin on your computer regardless of gaming system

so we are all screwed

Actually it's not us that get problems. We're not the ones loosing sales over this.

There's plenty of other software products we can purchase form other distributors that doesn't require origin.

The ones getting punished are people like the bioware devs that doesn't stand in a position to decide how their own game gets treated. They're the ones that potentially stands to loose their jobs when EA has bumbled around in the market like a durnk bear enough times.

I just hope they can start up something new as indie devs when they finally got the guts to make games for themselves again, or get the pink slip by EA's suit because EA fumblings cause them to downsize.

[zweistein_J]

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

[lastpatriot]

zweistein_J wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

I read through the link you provided here and to be honest, it's somewhat sad and disturbing all at the same time.  With 90 pages on this topic now, one would think there would be something from BioWare as to our concerns.

[Vegos]

lastpatriot wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

I read through the link you provided here and to be honest, it's somewhat sad and disturbing all at the same time.  With 90 pages on this topic now, one would think there would be something from BioWare as to our concerns.

Only that it's most definitely not BioWare who's making the call about Origin.

[Wittand25]

zweistein_J wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

The EULA, like any other EULA in existance, violates German law not the client as far as it is known today.
I find it is important to keep those small details in mind.

[SalsaDMA]

zweistein_J wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

The last post in that thread at the time I was readin was somewhat interesting.
It stated that origin had breached his sandbox???

How the hell does it do something like that?

[Zargon VII]

Iveforgotmypassword wrote...

Just out of interest what happens in the future ? I've recently been playing some of my old games on my new laptop, will I be able to play Mass Effect 3 in ten years time on a different computer having already put it on three ? What if Origins doesn't exist anymore ( made their money and moved on ) ? You can still listen to old CD's you've had for years but will something that needs activation/download on the internet still work ? Does EA have a good track record of maintaining things that they no longer make money on just to keep the customers happy ?

Either way I'm not buying it until this is all resolved or can be avoided.

EA has an awful track record in this regard.  They have shut down the online servers for many games because EA thinks they are too old and people should be buying the newer versions of their games.  They have shut down the online servers for their sports games as quickly as two years after release date.  Looks like I won't be purchasing ME3 with what I am reading here, I am guessing that EA and Bioware must be having a big fight about this and that's why we aren't hearing anything officially.  Or that EA ordered Bioware to clam up and are continuing with their "Hopefully not too many people will notice the spyware we are installing on their computers" routine.  

[RocShemp]

Zargon VII wrote...

Iveforgotmypassword wrote...

Just out of interest what happens in the future ? I've recently been playing some of my old games on my new laptop, will I be able to play Mass Effect 3 in ten years time on a different computer having already put it on three ? What if Origins doesn't exist anymore ( made their money and moved on ) ? You can still listen to old CD's you've had for years but will something that needs activation/download on the internet still work ? Does EA have a good track record of maintaining things that they no longer make money on just to keep the customers happy ?

Either way I'm not buying it until this is all resolved or can be avoided.

EA has an awful track record in this regard.  They have shut down the online servers for many games because EA thinks they are too old and people should be buying the newer versions of their games.  They have shut down the online servers for their sports games as quickly as two years after release date.  Looks like I won't be purchasing ME3 with what I am reading here, I am guessing that EA and Bioware must be having a big fight about this and that's why we aren't hearing anything officially.  Or that EA ordered Bioware to clam up and are continuing with their "Hopefully not too many people will notice the spyware we are installing on their computers" routine.  

I'm thinking the latter.  Unless Bioware is willing and able to branch out on their own and take the Mass Effect IP with them, they are in no position to dictate terms to EA.

[Lumikki]

RocShemp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, EA may change how the Origin client works related data collection.

But until they do just that, why would you reward them with your money?  As I recall, a similar DRM debacle ocurred with the original Mass Effect.  Since Bioware/EA got enough negative press, they issued a patch that removed that particular DRM and subsequent pressings of the game excluded said DRM.

So until something similar occurs with ME3, I see no reason for giving them my money.

I never sayed anything rewarding them, more like I have talked what's legal and what's illegal.

Modifié par Lumikki, 07 novembre 2011 - 06:23 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Ford_Prefect wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

Hmm, I can't help it, I wouldn't regard being protected from Origin as a problem. In fact I would think the opposite.

Having a look at EA's side of the story I can understand that would like to have a platform that would bind people to EA's game store (next to other functions they intend(ed) to include with that). That it would be a marketing platform and all that jazz, but does it really have to be mandatory?! Does it really have to have such EULAs?! Does the software really have to act like that?!

I have a sad feeling we will be forced to use Origin anyway you slice it, EA isn't going to scrap a project they have sunk millions into overnight just because it is for the most part a massive flop and terrible piece of spyware. They should however remove that spyware component and re-evaluate their terms of service and ownership...then we can talk.

[Lukertin]

lltoon wrote...

God, your statement is so damn stupid.

People don't crack games to play it's multiplayer.

You're damn stupid, because nobody gives a flying F about SC singleplayer

[Lukertin]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
And in the US, there is no such law.  Once you open that package, many retailers do not allow you to return software -- they allow exchange in the case of faulty media, missing package contents, etc. 

Yes there is, it is a mutant form of tortious interference with contract rights. Refusing to issue customers a refund because they do not agree with the EULA, which specifically states you are entitled to such restitution, is against the law.

[Juha81FIN]

I didn't understand the need for Cerberus Network in ME 2 and I don't understand Origin necessity for consoles either. There are marketplaces for both XBOX and PS that work practically sameway as Origin, unless ofcourse EA want's to compete with Sony and MS creating their own gaming network that resembles xbox live and PS network. I am already paying for MS for my gold membership and ability to play in xbox live and all the stuff that can be accessed in there, I do nothing with Origin.
Thecnically for consles Origin is exactly the same thing what xbox live and ps network already are, but it has third party spy program included.
I am more conserned about players who aren't gold members or don't have access to xbox live, how are they going to be affected, people who want to play EA games eitherway or Bioware fans who want to play their products but can't because of no interenet connection.

Modifié par Juha81FIN, 07 novembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

zweistein_J wrote...

a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides...

here you are

http://forums.electr...n-possible.html

The last post in that thread at the time I was readin was somewhat interesting.
It stated that origin had breached his sandbox???

How the hell does it do something like that?

If it really is capable of breaching a correctly-configured sandbox... that's one more sign as to just what sort of program Origin is.  And all the more reason to NEVER let it within miles of any computer you own.  Wow.