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[Killjoy Cutter]

Lukertin wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And in the US, there is no such law.  Once you open that package, many retailers do not allow you to return software -- they allow exchange in the case of faulty media, missing package contents, etc. 

Yes there is, it is a mutant form of tortious interference with contract rights. Refusing to issue customers a refund because they do not agree with the EULA, which specifically states you are entitled to such restitution, is against the law.

Good luck with that law suit...

[Killjoy Cutter]

DAMNIT, I want to play ME3, but there's just no way I can if this Origin will have to be installed and can't be sandboxed.

Screw you, EA. Stop treating your paying customers like pirates and suckers and chumps. A**H**TS.

[SyphonFilterOZ9]

Ok, so I finally did it, It was hard but I cancelled my N7 collectors edition of ME3. EA'$ Origin is to blame. Make Origin a optional requirement or rather drop it all together and I will gladly pay my $80.00 to play your game.

 But I will never in a million years pay EA to scan my PC, even if I have nothing to hide. They have no right. ORIGIN IS SPYWARE!
 

Modifié par SyphonFilterOZ9, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:11 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

SyphonFilterOZ9 wrote...

Ok, so I finally did it, It was hard but I cancelled my N7 collectors edition of ME3. EA'$ Origin is to blame. Make Origin a optional requirement or rather drop it all together and I will gladly pay my $80.00 to play your game.

 But I will never in a million years pay EA to scan my PC, even if I have nothing to hide. They have no right. ORIGIN IS SPYWARE!
 

I salute you man, I currently have no standing preorder on the game, nor do I intend to pre-order it (CE) unless they drop Origin from use, or do a MAJOR overhaul of Origin itself...

Also Here is the proof straight from Origin for the physical copy...YOU DO NEED ORIGIN CLIENT TO INSTALL (check the EULA on Origin if you don't believe me, and look at the difference between ME2 and ME3).

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET
CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER
LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE
(WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL
CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS
ONLINE SERVICES.  SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN
ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE.  SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED.
EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT
WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS.  EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF
SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE
SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT.
EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.  

Now please stop saying "its unconfirmed"

IT IS RIGHT THERE (also note this covers both digital and retail (physical) copies)

[anzolino]

Iveforgotmypassword wrote...
Just out of interest what happens in the future ? I've recently been playing some of my old games on my new laptop, will I be able to play Mass Effect 3 in ten years time on a different computer having already put it on three ? What if Origins doesn't exist anymore ( made their money and moved on ) ? You can still listen to old CD's you've had for years but will something that needs activation/download on the internet still work ? Does EA have a good track record of maintaining things that they no longer make money on just to keep the customers happy ?

Good point! I think you're not supposed to play old games in the future because EA wants your money and they don't make money if you want to play an old game. So, who cares? Every month a new game at least. I wonder whether they ever think about that.

zweistein_J wrote...
a friend of mine who lives in Germany told me that Origin's way of working for pc users is against German law and will be probably banned from Germany.
i'm waiting for some further info and confirmation about this.
but if that's true, knowing how Germany works things out about law, there are high chances for this to lead into huge problems for German gamers (like not being able to instal Origin at all, and ofc not to play the games it provides..

Yeah, this is thrilling! The data protectors have sent a list of question to EA Cologne last week. They want to know which kind of data EA want to gather and why (you must know that collecting data is narrowly bound to the purpose). I think they will examine this thoroughly. EA has to answer within two weeks.

Wittand25 wrote...
The EULA, like any other EULA in existance, violates German law not the client as far as it is known today.
I find it is important to keep those small details in mind.

You don't get it, do you? The client violates also German law because it accesses folders which are not owned by Origin or EA. It also accesses folders of users, these aren't even logged in in Windows and haven't consented to the EULA!

[Vegos]

anzolino wrote...

It also accesses folders of users, these aren't even logged in in Windows and haven't consented to the EULA!

Now there's a detail I missed! Good job pointing that one out!

[Zaftikins]

Cancelled my pre-order of the Collector's Edition, and I will no longer be playing/submitting information on the SW:TOR beta.

Origin is a cancer, and I refuse to install spyware on my computer.

[mcneil_1]

RocShemp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, EA may change how the Origin client works related data collection.

But until they do just that, why would you reward them with your money?  As I recall, a similar DRM debacle ocurred with the original Mass Effect.  Since Bioware/EA got enough negative press, they issued a patch that removed that particular DRM and subsequent pressings of the game excluded said DRM.

Are you sure about that, last I heard ME1 pc still had the securom activations on it, all EA did was give a revoke tool (included as a patch) for the activations of the game (The two ME1 DLC still have limited unrevokable activations <_<).

Anyway I am still getting the weird DA2 Deja-Vu feeling we will finally find out from Bioware about origin or not being included about a week or two out from release day <_<

[Lukertin]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Good luck with that law suit...

I'm soon to be a laywer, I have no qualms with bringing a retailer into small claims court. Do you think they're going to bother paying their corporate lawyers $200/hr to defend a complaint for $60?

Even if I lose the case, I win by making it more expensive for them to refuse giving me a refund to which I am legally entitled.

Modifié par Lukertin, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Vegos]

Lukertin wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Good luck with that law suit...

I'm soon to be a laywer, I have no qualms with bringing a retailer into small claims court. Do you think they're going to bother paying their corporate lawyers $200/hr to defend a complaint for $60?

Even if I lose the case, I win by making it more expensive for them to refuse giving me a refund to which I am legally entitled.

I think people "learn" too much law by watching Law and Order and Boston Legal, and thus have a skewed idea on how law actually works. CSI effect, simply put. And yes, that's a technical term.

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Vegos wrote...

anzolino wrote...

It also accesses folders of users, these aren't even logged in in Windows and haven't consented to the EULA!

Now there's a detail I missed! Good job pointing that one out!

That is a very important point.  

Not only can the company not prove that any particular person consented to the EULA, their client is also set up to gather and transmit data that might belong to someone else who has never even seen the EULA or heard of the game!

[Lukertin]

cocla wrote...

BeastMTL wrote...



Source:

[url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016]http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451016[/url]

That sort of nails it, doesnt it.

Yea, Origin is even required for the Xbox/PS3 now.  Likely that if you dont log into origin then you cant access any DLC, updates, or multiplayer.

Will probably also be like the serberous network, if you bought it used then you have to pay so much to get a code to activate it and get access to all of that. 

Can someone answer, exactly what they hope to grab off my 360 with their spyware? (link in that post is dead)

Modifié par Lukertin, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Lukertin wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Good luck with that law suit...

I'm soon to be a laywer, I have no qualms with bringing a retailer into small claims court. Do you think they're going to bother paying their corporate lawyers $200/hr to defend a complaint for $60?

Even if I lose the case, I win by making it more expensive for them to refuse giving me a refund to which I am legally entitled.

Like I said, good luck with that. 

[ArkkAngel007]

Can someone show me the evidence that Origin accesses files NOT associated with its service and the games it provides? I haven't detected it doing so yet, but if it is, I'd really like to be aware of it. And I really do mean evidence, no he said-she saids...the bane of intelligence.

[Bogsnot1]

As I have pointed out previously in this thread, and others, people are confusing the Origin account (which you already have, and use to log into this site) with the Origin software.

The above image has nothing to do with the Origin spyware that EA is shoving into the PC version. Its simply asking if you want to automatically log into your Origin account, the same way ME2 had the option asking you if you wanted to automatically log into the Cerberus Network.

[Bogsnot1]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Can someone show me the evidence that Origin accesses files NOT associated with its service and the games it provides? I haven't detected it doing so yet, but if it is, I'd really like to be aware of it. And I really do mean evidence, no he said-she saids...the bane of intelligence.

Have you tried looking at the OP?

[DiebytheSword]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

As I have pointed out previously in this thread, and others, people are confusing the Origin account (which you already have, and use to log into this site) with the Origin software.

The above image has nothing to do with the Origin spyware that EA is shoving into the PC version. Its simply asking if you want to automatically log into your Origin account, the same way ME2 had the option asking you if you wanted to automatically log into the Cerberus Network.

This a million times.  You are using your Origin account right now to post on the forum.  You use it to get your dlc, if you ever bought anything over EADM you have an Origin account.

If you have, within the last few years, signed up for anything from EA related to gaming, you have an Origin account.

[Vegos]

DiebytheSword wrote...

This a million times.  You are using your Origin account right now to post on the forum.  You use it to get your dlc, if you ever bought anything over EADM you have an Origin account.

Not technically, this is only my EA account. It WOULD be my Origin account as well, if I had the client installed, yes, but since I don't, it's not.

[didymos1120]

Vegos wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

This a million times.  You are using your Origin account right now to post on the forum.  You use it to get your dlc, if you ever bought anything over EADM you have an Origin account.

Not technically, this is only my EA account. It WOULD be my Origin account as well, if I had the client installed, yes, but since I don't, it's not.

And technically, all EA accounts are Origin accounts.  They even sent out emails notifying people of this.  Perhaps you deleted yours.  If you downloaded the client, you would log in with exactly the same info you do for this forum. No new account would be created.

Modifié par didymos1120, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Siegdrifa]

Vegos wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

This a million times.  You are using your Origin account right now to post on the forum.  You use it to get your dlc, if you ever bought anything over EADM you have an Origin account.

Not technically, this is only my EA account. It WOULD be my Origin account as well, if I had the client installed, yes, but since I don't, it's not.

No, those are now called origin account, all EA account was converted into origin account.
origin is like steam, if you instal steam client but you don't have a steam account registered and logged on, you can't play anything.

[Bogsnot1]

Vegos wrote...
Not technically, this is only my EA account. It WOULD be my Origin account as well, if I had the client installed, yes, but since I don't, it's not.

I suggest you do your homework, and look at EA's login page.

[DiebytheSword]

Vegos wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

This a million times.  You are using your Origin account right now to post on the forum.  You use it to get your dlc, if you ever bought anything over EADM you have an Origin account.

Not technically, this is only my EA account. It WOULD be my Origin account as well, if I had the client installed, yes, but since I don't, it's not.

I'd tell you that you're wrong, but others have done it so well before this post that I'll let the photographs, and complete disagreements with your assertion to stand as all the evidence I need to say I was right.

[Dragoonlordz]

I installed Origin, I then went to bed and when I awoke they had cut off my legs and somehow I had contracted the plague. ~Just saying... DAM YOU ORIGIN!!! Dam you to hell...

If nothing else I gave you a free thread bump (terms and conditions apply). Well i say free but the bill is in the post and if wish to see the terms and conditions a fee of $5 payable to me upon receiving the request for the information.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:46 .

[Zhijn]

German news piece on the subject with english subtitles:


Altho i dont agree what Origin does i have yet to hear or seen any prof that the app actually send the info back it has read except the usual hardware/installed/uninstalled Origin items. Ofcourse that dosnt mean it cant do it at a later time.

Modifié par Zhijn, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:33 .

[BounceDK]

Hey guys, Ubisoft is making a required to run our games client as well.
You can all thank Valve for starting this trend. We'll end up with 20 different clients all running at the same time if this keeps up. I think I need another 4gigs of ram.

Modifié par BounceDK, 08 novembre 2011 - 02:37 .