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[Rokujou79]

http://buy.swtor.com/us/ -> Star Wars: the old republic
ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT). EULAS AND DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS.

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Strait from the EA site, ME3 will require the Origin client to play the game, regardless of digital or physical copy purchase just like BF3.

I suspect that this is why Bioware reps here on the forums are not 'clarifying' the issue as they don't want to hurt sales. I also suspect that the multiplayer 'addition' to the single player Shepard saga was more EA's idea than Bioware's, as a way to help 'sell' the always online Origin requirement.

And to those who wonder what those folks that dont want Origin on their machines have to hide, or why we dont want it I will try to help you understand.
Origin is not a voluntary program, it is forced on us without any recourse of avoidance other than not installing and not playing a game we want to play, or by using less 'reputable' means of bypassing Origin and still playing:whistle:.

Origin dose in fact scan the end user's hard drive(s) and requests read accass to files that have nothing at all to do with EA or Origin, this evidence is all over youtube, other gaming sites, aswell as screenshots in this very thread. There is no way to turn it off, no way to opt-out (like steam) or otherwise avoid this scaning other than to not install the Origin spyware.
Origin opens TCP connections and sends and receives unknown data packets to Amazon cloud servers, there is also a screenshot of Origin sending and receiving to facebook cloud servers(overclock.net)

The only plausible explanation for sending and receiving data from our computers to both of these sites, or even Amazon by itself, is for marketing data. Meaning, Origin scans your drive(s) looking for what programs you have, when and how often you use them and then uploads that data to Amazon servers. My issue even aside from the gross breach of reasonable privacy, is this, if this marketing data is worth the time and effort of collecting by programing Origin to do so, then this information must be valuable in some fashion.

If my (non)personal information is valuable to EA to collect and share/sell, then I should be compensated for it, as EA or their 'third party partners' is profiting from it as marketing data, this means if I am not being compensated for something of mine that is valuable and taken from me without my consent or knowledge then it has been stolen, this is basic intelligent deduction.

What am I getting out of this data mining? I already paid 60 bucks for a game, that should be enough to drop it in the tray, install it and play till my hearts content. Instead I get required to play spyware that steals marketing data from my computer without any way to turn it off, which also clogs up my bandwith and ram just to play a single player game. All under the guise of either checking for program problems(stop rushing out games and QA them) or checking for pirated games (thanks, nice to know im guilty until proven innocent)

This is not a fair trade at all, either discount the game price to compensate me for my valualble marketing statistics that your stealing or, and this is my apporved option, scrap Origin(EA cant compete with MicroShaft or Valve) put the game on $team and leave your customers the hell alone.

Im not going to freak out and 'ZoMG BioWares!?!!one1!' because I understand that Bioware is the developer, they make the game, all of this Origin male bovine excrement is on Electronic Arts.

This is one of those time where console >  PC

Modifié par Rokujou79, 08 novembre 2011 - 09:29 .

[Adugan]

My poll is highly relevant to this thread.

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[Augustei]

Origin... God I hate Origin, If there is an alternative to playing the game without Origin - Any alternative I will use it

[Feanor_II]

Seems that the only hope for those who appreciete their privacy is to rely on those gentlemen who sail under the flag of Jolly Roger... And I'm talking about us, legit players who feel totally abused by this type of practices under mottos of "All for the sake of proffits", "It's bussiness of a private company".

Oh.... and finally SW:TOR requires Origin? Are you lying your potential customers Bioware? That would be very treacherous from you.....

[Savadrin]

Rokujou79 wrote...

http://buy.swtor.com/us/ -> Star Wars: the old republic
ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT). EULAS AND DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS.

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Strait from the EA site, ME3 will require the Origin client to play the game, regardless of digital or physical copy purchase just like BF3.

I suspect that this is why Bioware reps here on the forums are not 'clarifying' the issue as they don't want to hurt sales. I also suspect that the multiplayer 'addition' to the single player Shepard saga was more EA's idea than Bioware's, as a way to help 'sell' the always online Origin requirement.

And to those who wonder what those folks that dont want Origin on their machines have to hide, or why we dont want it I will try to help you understand.
Origin is not a voluntary program, it is forced on us without any recourse of avoidance other than not installing and not playing a game we want to play, or by using less 'reputable' means of bypassing Origin and still playing:whistle:.

Origin dose in fact scan the end user's hard drive(s) and requests read accass to files that have nothing at all to do with EA or Origin, this evidence is all over youtube, other gaming sites, aswell as screenshots in this very thread. There is no way to turn it off, no way to opt-out (like steam) or otherwise avoid this scaning other than to not install the Origin spyware.
Origin opens TCP connections and sends and receives unknown data packets to Amazon cloud servers, there is also a screenshot of Origin sending and receiving to facebook cloud servers(overclock.net)

The only plausible explanation for sending and receiving data from our computers to both of these sites, or even Amazon by itself, is for marketing data. Meaning, Origin scans your drive(s) looking for what programs you have, when and how often you use them and then uploads that data to Amazon servers. My issue even aside from the gross breach of reasonable privacy, is this, if this marketing data is worth the time and effort of collecting by programing Origin to do so, then this information must be valuable in some fashion.

If my (non)personal information is valuable to EA to collect and share/sell, then I should be compensated for it, as EA or their 'third party partners' is profiting from it as marketing data, this means if I am not being compensated for something of mine that is valuable and taken from me without my consent or knowledge then it has been stolen, this is basic intelligent deduction.

What am I getting out of this data mining? I already paid 60 bucks for a game, that should be enough to drop it in the tray, install it and play till my hearts content. Instead I get required to play spyware that steals marketing data from my computer without any way to turn it off, which also clogs up my bandwith and ram just to play a single player game. All under the guise of either checking for program problems(stop rushing out games and QA them) or checking for pirated games (thanks, nice to know im guilty until proven innocent)

This is not a fair trade at all, either discount the game price to compensate me for my valualble marketing statistics that your stealing or, and this is my apporved option, scrap Origin(EA cant compete with MicroShaft or Valve) put the game on $team and leave your customers the hell alone.

Im not going to freak out and 'ZoMG BioWares!?!!one1!' because I understand that Bioware is the developer, they make the game, all of this Origin male bovine excrement is on Electronic Arts.

This is one of those time where console >  PC

le sigh. yeah, i feel sorry for peeps playin on PC. at least they can rest assured that on march 6, somebody is going to buy a boxed retail copy in the morning, and upload a crack and workaround by midnight that night.

i just hope the 360 version doesn't require a connection to play. dialup is teh suck....

[Rokujou79]

Feanor_II wrote...

Oh.... and finally SW:TOR requires Origin? Are you lying your potential customers Bioware? That would be very treacherous from you.....

ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER
LICENSE AGREEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (http://buy.swtor.com/us/)

I dont want there to be any misrepresentation or misunderstanding here... This is why I posted both disclaimers, Origin is only required to download the digital copy of SW:TOR, Origin is not required to play (as of today...).

Origin however IS required to play Mass Effect 3, multi-player or single-player, hard copy purchase or digital purchase. If your internet is down you cant play ME3, if the Origin service is down, you cant play ME3. (or ANY Origin linked games for that matter)

never thought id see the day but...
Xbox360/PS3 > PC, yes... Origin is THAT bad.

[anzolino]

Rokujou79 wrote...
The only plausible explanation for sending and receiving data from our computers to both of these sites, or even Amazon by itself, is for marketing data. Meaning, Origin scans your drive(s) looking for what programs you have, when and how often you use them and then uploads that data to Amazon servers.

I don't agree with you here.
Sending data to Amazon cloud servers doesn't mean that Amazon will get the data. Using of cloud services is an usually procedure at the time (but this doesn't make it better). I think EA has some virtual machines in the Amazon cloud for saving money or something like this.
But the data must be protected in this cloud against unauthorized access and I don't know how this will happen. EA doesn't explain this.
So far I monitored 5-6 connections for the client: to different IPs in Amazon clouds (http and https for login), to Akamai (http) and one connection to EA (nsesrvr).
I don't know what data will send by the game itself, my BW games are blocked since 3 months (I haven't installed other games at the moment).

[anzolino]

@Feanor_II, only if you buy SW:TOR on Origin store you will need the client. It's claimed on the SW:TOR website too.

[Rokujou79]

anzolino wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...
The only plausible explanation for sending and receiving data from our computers to both of these sites, or even Amazon by itself, is for marketing data. Meaning, Origin scans your drive(s) looking for what programs you have, when and how often you use them and then uploads that data to Amazon servers.

I don't agree with you here.
Sending data to Amazon cloud servers doesn't mean that Amazon will get the data. Using of cloud services is an usually procedure at the time (but this doesn't make it better). I think EA has some virtual machines in the Amazon cloud for saving money or something like this.
But the data must be protected in this cloud against unauthorized access and I don't know how this will happen. EA doesn't explain this.
So far I monitored 5-6 connections for the client: to different IPs in Amazon clouds (http and https for login), to Akamai (http) and one connection to EA (nsesrvr).
I don't know what data will send by the game itself, my BW games are blocked since 3 months (I haven't installed other games at the moment).

I should clarify what I meant sorry about any confusion. I understand that Amazon cloud servers are 'rentable' and by 'sites' I meant Origin interfacing with facebook in any way. The fact that EA even needs the storage capacity from rented Amazon clouds is telling enough that Origin is collecting far more data than is 'needed' only for game related and Origin related information.

Thus I stand by my assertion that Origin is collecting marketable statistical data from Origin users and uploading it to the Amazon cloud servers for sale or trade with 'third party partners' of EA and that the gathered information and 'exchange' of it dose not benifit us, the end user of a simple video game, but instead benifits EA and their 'third party partners'.

[Sethan_1]

Rokujou79 wrote...

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Ah well.  I was looking forward to ME3, too.

I'll poke my head back in, in a year or so, and see if anything has changed.

[Deathwurm]

Sethan_1 wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...

http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Ah well.  I was looking forward to ME3, too.

I'll poke my head back in, in a year or so, and see if anything has changed.

At this point, I'm so turned off by this entire thing that I don't even want to play the Game anymore.

There are lots of Games out there that I have yet to play or are coming out that don't require anything like Origin or any contact with EA whatsoever...so I'll choose EA's "Opt Out" and not download Origin or buy their products.

EA would do well to look at a bit of history: There was a time (not all that long ago) when AOL was THE King of the Net. They began to treat their customers horribly and look at where they are now.

[Soul Cool]

Rokujou79 wrote...
This is one of those time where console >  PC

Origin is also present on consoles.

Why it is there, I have no idea.

[Soul Cool]

Arcian wrote...
It is not. Origin is only for PC and mobile platforms.

Isn't it being used as a digital distribution interface like the Cerberus network from last game? That was my understanding of it. "You must sign into [x service] to acquire new content."

Arcian wrote...
You have an Origin account on consoles, however, but then again so does every single person posting on BSN as of this writing.

This could also be true. I wish they'd just give up the secrecy junk and tell us.

[RocShemp]

mcneil_1 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

So, EA may change how the Origin client works related data collection.

But until they do just that, why would you reward them with your money?  As I recall, a similar DRM debacle ocurred with the original Mass Effect.  Since Bioware/EA got enough negative press, they issued a patch that removed that particular DRM and subsequent pressings of the game excluded said DRM.

Are you sure about that, last I heard ME1 pc still had the securom activations on it, all EA did was give a revoke tool (included as a patch) for the activations of the game (The two ME1 DLC still have limited unrevokable activations <_<).

Anyway I am still getting the weird DA2 Deja-Vu feeling we will finally find out from Bioware about origin or not being included about a week or two out from release day <_<

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom.  Also, I've had to install the Fire in the Sky DLC several times (due to having to re-install my OS on my PC when I had unrelated software/hardware conflicts) with no issues whatsoever.

[didymos1120]

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

[RocShemp]

Zhijn wrote...

German news piece on the subject with english subtitles:


Altho i dont agree what Origin does i have yet to hear or seen any prof that the app actually send the info back it has read except the usual hardware/installed/uninstalled Origin items. Ofcourse that dosnt mean it cant do it at a later time.

I hope they nix Origin for the German release.  And that the German release is English-friendly so I can import it.

[Soul Cool]

Arcian wrote...
It's Xbox Live which deals with all digital distribution for the 360, and I assume it's the same for PSN on the PS3. I think EA installing a digital distribution service on the 360 which bypasses Xbox Live would be a significant breach of contract with Microsoft.

Yet the Cerberus Network was still used as an in-game overlay for people to purchase digital content? (Even though Microsoft was the one facilitating the actual transfer.) And isn't this the same thing as requiring a connection to EA's servers in their online games? I'm pretty sure Microsfot only facilitates the transfer over their network to the game servers themselves? Unless it's more of a lease-type thing.

[Feanor_II]

Soul Cool wrote...

Arcian wrote...
It is not. Origin is only for PC and mobile platforms.

Isn't it being used as a digital distribution interface like the Cerberus network from last game? That was my understanding of it. "You must sign into [x service] to acquire new content."

No, it's not tge same as on PC, on PC we are forced (all points that we will be forced to that, no official statement from Bioware) to install a piece of software that is actually spyware, that's the problem.

On console you don' have to install that piece of crap.

[RocShemp]

didymos1120 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

Not quite.

"In May 2008, EA announced that Mass Effect for the PC would be using SecuROM 7.x requiring a reactivation of the software every 10 days.[16] Due to complaints, EA removed the 10-day activation while keeping SecuROM tied to the installation. SecuROM's product activation facility was still used to impose a limit of three times that a customer is allowed to activate the copy of Mass Effect once purchased. The game becomes unplayable "as is" after the activations are used up, until EA's customer support is contacted to reset the activation limit. Unlike BioShock, uninstalling the game does not refund a previously used activation.[17] More recent versions of Mass Effect on budget prices (those available on EA classics and Steam) have SecuROM omitted."

Source: http://en.wikipedia....ROM#Mass_Effect

My copy is one of said budget releases.

Modifié par RocShemp, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:59 .

[Soul Cool]

Feanor_II wrote...
No, it's not tge same as on PC, on PC we are forced (all points that we will be forced to that, no official statement from Bioware) to install a piece of software that is actually spyware, that's the problem.

On console you don' have to install that piece of crap.

But you have much less control over your consoles anyway? (Legitimate ones, anyway.) I am not sure what you would gain from adding another overlay, but your console is already not under your control if you are connected to the Xbox Live service.

[xCirdanx]

RocShemp wrote...

My copy is one of said budget releases.

Yes, same here, i wouldn´t have bought it otherwise.

[Feanor_II]

RocShemp wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

Not quite.

"In May 2008, EA announced that Mass Effect for the PC would be using SecuROM 7.x requiring a reactivation of the software every 10 days.[16] Due to complaints, EA removed the 10-day activation while keeping SecuROM tied to the installation. SecuROM's product activation facility was still used to impose a limit of three times that a customer is allowed to activate the copy of Mass Effect once purchased. The game becomes unplayable "as is" after the activations are used up, until EA's customer support is contacted to reset the activation limit. Unlike BioShock, uninstalling the game does not refund a previously used activation.[17] More recent versions of Mass Effect on budget prices (those available on EA classics and Steam) have SecuROM omitted."

Source: http://en.wikipedia....ROM#Mass_Effect

My copy is one of said budget releases.

I remember buying my ME1 copy on budget price...... but it was a normal edition, not those platinium editions with crappy orange covers..... I think that I've already intalled and uninstalled it 3 times (on differents computers twice at my parents and once on mine)....... maybe today I'll try it............. To much risk, but if they touch my......... and leave the game unplayable I'll go straight for a crack.

[Michel1986]

XxDeonxX wrote...

Origin... God I hate Origin, If there is an alternative to playing the game without Origin - Any alternative I will use it

I hate to say it but a crack is the only thing to bypass origin. Unless you don't wan't to bypass it your stuck with origin.