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[Augustei]

Rokujou79 wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Oh.... and finally SW:TOR requires Origin? Are you lying your potential customers Bioware? That would be very treacherous from you.....

ONLINE DOWNLOAD OF THE PRODUCT REQUIRES ACCEPTANCE OF ORIGIN END USER
LICENSE AGREEMENT AND INSTALLATION OF ORIGIN APPLICATION SOFTWARE (http://buy.swtor.com/us/)

I dont want there to be any misrepresentation or misunderstanding here... This is why I posted both disclaimers, Origin is only required to download the digital copy of SW:TOR, Origin is not required to play (as of today...).

Origin however IS required to play Mass Effect 3, multi-player or single-player, hard copy purchase or digital purchase. If your internet is down you cant play ME3, if the Origin service is down, you cant play ME3. (or ANY Origin linked games for that matter)

never thought id see the day but...
Xbox360/PS3 > PC, yes... Origin is THAT bad.

is this confirmed somewhere like by a dev or something you can direct me? because if so i'd like to cancel my ME3 CE preorder tomorrow while im at the mall and put it on my skyrim =D guess i'll have to get my ME3 from those who sail under the banner of the jolly roger if you know what I mean

[RiouHotaru]

Eh, honestly, I don't care about Origin enough that I won't care if it scans my stuff. I'm fine with Steam doing it anytime they ask, so why would I have a problem with Origin doing it?

Besides, playing on the PC means I don't have to buy XBL time to enjoy the multiplayer. And since I'm stuck using a third-party wireless adapter for my 360, my connection isn't stable.

So PC it is.

[Siegdrifa]

Rokujou79 wrote...


http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Yhea, this is not surprising, this is ME3 for origin.

The real worry is, will it be the only one available on PC like battle field 3 ?
Of course they won't say "but you can buy it on steam" on their EA ME3 download page or retail version just need an origin account without origin client use.

Lot of people are waiting the answer.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:56 .

[RocShemp]

Feanor_II wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

Not quite.

"In May 2008, EA announced that Mass Effect for the PC would be using SecuROM 7.x requiring a reactivation of the software every 10 days.[16] Due to complaints, EA removed the 10-day activation while keeping SecuROM tied to the installation. SecuROM's product activation facility was still used to impose a limit of three times that a customer is allowed to activate the copy of Mass Effect once purchased. The game becomes unplayable "as is" after the activations are used up, until EA's customer support is contacted to reset the activation limit. Unlike BioShock, uninstalling the game does not refund a previously used activation.[17] More recent versions of Mass Effect on budget prices (those available on EA classics and Steam) have SecuROM omitted."

Source: http://en.wikipedia....ROM#Mass_Effect

My copy is one of said budget releases.

I remember buying my ME1 copy on budget price...... but it was a normal edition, not those platinium editions with crappy orange covers..... I think that I've already intalled and uninstalled it 3 times (on differents computers twice at my parents and once on mine)....... maybe today I'll try it............. To much risk, but if they touch my......... and leave the game unplayable I'll go straight for a crack.

Mine is the one with the fugly orange cover:

[Augustei]

A question regarding steam; Does steam essentially have the same issue as origin with its breach of privacy in any way? even if there is an opt-out option (I say if because I dont know if there is)

[Mister Mida]

XxDeonxX wrote...

A question regarding steam; Does steam essentially have the same issue as origin with its breach of privacy in any way? even if there is an opt-out option (I say if because I dont know if there is)

As far as I know, Steam pretty much keeps his hands to himself. Don't quote me on it though since I don't want that piece of crap on my PC either.

[BroBear Berbil]

XxDeonxX wrote...

A question regarding steam; Does steam essentially have the same issue as origin with its breach of privacy in any way? even if there is an opt-out option (I say if because I dont know if there is)

Steam sticks to the files and folders it installs as far as I know. If it scans anything more, like your installed programs, it's because you explicitly gave Valve permission to do so by opting in to their hardware/software survey. It scans once and it doesn't ask you to survey again for like 2 years I think.

Origin means it's a no buy for me.

Modifié par OnionXI, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Siegdrifa]

XxDeonxX wrote...

A question regarding steam; Does steam essentially have the same issue as origin with its breach of privacy in any way? even if there is an opt-out option (I say if because I dont know if there is)

Not that we know of, or it is a lot more discreet.
Valve seems to have a better respect for his customer than origin, you can desactivate auto game update, you can go offline, even the "online" game like Left for dead have solo offline mode, and those games make sens only when played in multi, but, the possibility is here, no to mention that all new campaign are free and regulary added.

I don't use Steam since a long time, some of my friend do, but i don't remember any mess about steam violating privacy like origin do.

Also, steam don't erase a game you own from your list if you don't play it in 24 month, and they also give you the possibility to make a back up of your downloaded games and store them on other support, so you can free space from your hardrive and don't have to redownload if it's too long, just reinstal your backup.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 08 novembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[N0-Future]

just a thought but could we ( if you live in the UK at least ) use the Data Protection Act to combat EA's Origin, the data protection act states that any company who has data about you has to give you everything that they have if asked, now I believe you have to pay £10 administration fee and they have to reply within 40 working days. Every scrap of data they have including hard copies and stuff stored on computer has to be forwarded to the person who asks.

I got the idea from watching this-youtu.be/PnDJDnFesus

Just a thought...

Modifié par N0-Future, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:00 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...


http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Yhea, this is not surprising, this is ME3 for origin.

The real worry is, will it be the only one available on PC like battle field 3 ?
Of course they won't say "but you can buy it on steam" on their EA ME3 download page or retail version just need an origin account without origin client use.

Lot of people are waiting the answer.

Never mind that "buy it on Steam" isn't anything like a solution for anyone who realizes what a bravo foxtrot ANY extra "download manager / DRM" software really is. 

[lastpatriot]

This brings up another question though:

If you have a program on your system such as Spybot or something else that detects and removes spyware, will it even pick up what Origin is doing? I tried a full scan the other day and Spybot didn't pick up anything from Origin. I still removed the program but I was curious how it would react to an anti-spyware program.

[N0-Future]

Ive heard some anti virus / anti spyware programs freak when they detect Origin, I cant remeber which ones though...

Modifié par N0-Future, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

lastpatriot wrote...

This brings up another question though:

If you have a program on your system such as Spybot or something else that detects and removes spyware, will it even pick up what Origin is doing? I tried a full scan the other day and Spybot didn't pick up anything from Origin. I still removed the program but I was curious how it would react to an anti-spyware program.

Unfortunately, programs such as Steam and Origin typically get a free pass from anti-malware programs.

[lastpatriot]

N0-Future wrote...

Ive heard some anti virus / anti spyware programs freak when they detect Origin, I cant remeber which ones though...

I am failry certain that Norton will lock it down.  The identity guard system that comes with Norton flags Origin.

[Killjoy Cutter]

N0-Future wrote...

Ive heard some anti virus / anti spyware programs freak when they detect Origin, I cant remeber which ones though...

Very good news. 

I wonder what kind of ass-covering antics EA will engage in if a major anti-malware vendor decides to call Origin what it is -- spyware.

[lastpatriot]

If you have not already read the article in PC Gamer, you might want to check out the informaton below.  It is rather interesting how this topic is being discussed.

LINK

PC Gamer wrote...

This isn’t the first time EA’s Origin service has raised eyebrows
(and ire) for its unflinchingly iron-fisted EULA. Now, though, the
service is under fire in exciting new locales – primarily from German
paper the Spiegel (via Eurogamer)
– for allegedly granting EA the ability to access other EA programs
without notifying users and giving “partners” free rein to collect
information on “IP addresses, usage data, software, equipment, software
usage and existing hardware peripherals” for marketing purposes.
According to the Spiegel, these things may even violate German privacy
laws.
EA, however, isn’t hurriedly thrusting any red hands behind its back.
This, claims the publisher, absolutely isn’t what it looks like.

“We have updated the End User License Agreement of Origin, in the
interests of our players to create more clarity,” EA Germany said in a
statement. “Origin is not spyware. Neither do we use nor install spyware
on the PCs of users.”
“We do not have access to information such as pictures, documents or
personal data, which have nothing to do with the execution of the Origin
program on the system of the player, neither will they be collected by
us. EA takes the privacy of its users very seriously. We have taken
every precaution to protect the personal and anonymous user data
collected.”
To conclude, EA noted that its EULA sticks to the “industry standard”
where privacy is concerned – but added that it’s certainly open to
addressing any concerns the German government might have.
Even so, it always bears repeating: Actually read the EULA
before clicking the “Why yes, you may harvest my healthy internal organs
in the event of a global pandemic” button. It’s time-consuming, sure,
but – much as I wish more elements of kindergarten carried over into the
real world – there aren’t any takesies-backsies here.

Modifié par lastpatriot, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:37 .

[lastpatriot]

lastpatriot wrote...

If you have not already read the article in PC Gamer, you might want to check out the informaton below.  It is rather interesting how this topic is being discussed.

LINK

PC Gamer wrote...

This isn’t the first time EA’s Origin service has raised eyebrows (and ire) for its unflinchingly iron-fisted EULA. Now, though, the service is under fire in exciting new locales – primarily from German paper the Spiegel (via Eurogamer) – for allegedly granting EA the ability to access other EA programs without notifying users and giving “partners” free rein to collect information on “IP addresses, usage data, software, equipment, software
usage and existing hardware peripherals” for marketing purposes.

According to the Spiegel, these things may even violate German privacy laws. EA, however, isn’t hurriedly thrusting any red hands behind its back. This, claims the publisher, absolutely isn’t what it looks like.

“We have updated the End User License Agreement of Origin, in the interests of our players to create more clarity,” EA Germany said in a statement. “Origin is not spyware. Neither do we use nor install spyware on the PCs of users.”

“We do not have access to information such as pictures, documents or personal data, which have nothing to do with the execution of the Origin program on the system of the player, neither will they be collected by us. EA takes the privacy of its users very seriously. We have taken every precaution to protect the personal and anonymous user data collected.”

To conclude, EA noted that its EULA sticks to the “industry standard” where privacy is concerned – but added that it’s certainly open to addressing any concerns the German government might have.  Even so, it always bears repeating: Actually read the EULA before clicking the “Why yes, you may harvest my healthy internal organs
in the event of a global pandemic” button. It’s time-consuming, sure, but – much as I wish more elements of kindergarten carried over into the real world – there aren’t any takesies-backsies here.

[lastpatriot]

Oops... double post, sorry.

[N0-Future]

From what Ive read of the EULA, they have removed the specific wording and replaced it with ambiguous wording instead. So no I dont feel more at ease about Origin, EA  idiots this is gonna blow up in their face.

Modifié par N0-Future, 08 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Embrosil]

didymos1120 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

Nope, the Czech version of ME1 released by CD Project does not have any online authentication. You just need to have a DVD in the drive. Which I will always prefer.

[Embrosil]

OnionXI wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

A question regarding steam; Does steam essentially have the same issue as origin with its breach of privacy in any way? even if there is an opt-out option (I say if because I dont know if there is)

Steam sticks to the files and folders it installs as far as I know. If it scans anything more, like your installed programs, it's because you explicitly gave Valve permission to do so by opting in to their hardware/software survey. It scans once and it doesn't ask you to survey again for like 2 years I think.

Origin means it's a no buy for me.

Exactly, I was also sceptical regarding Steam, but some games simply need it (e.g Empire Total War) and Steam does not do anything you do not allow it to do. And moreover if it collects your data with you permission, it is always anonymous, while Origin tells everyone your IP address and I would not be surprised if it even told everyone your street, house and the number of apartment. 

[Embrosil]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...


http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Yhea, this is not surprising, this is ME3 for origin.

The real worry is, will it be the only one available on PC like battle field 3 ?
Of course they won't say "but you can buy it on steam" on their EA ME3 download page or retail version just need an origin account without origin client use.

Lot of people are waiting the answer.

Well as Battlefield 3 has already been cracked and you can play a non-Origin version, I do not worry about Origin in ME3 anymore. If EA wants to lose a customer and his money, their problem, not mine.

[lastpatriot]

Embrosil wrote...


Well as Battlefield 3 has already been cracked and you can play a non-Origin version, I do not worry about Origin in ME3 anymore. If EA wants to lose a customer and his money, their problem, not mine.

While that may be the case for ME:3 as well, I think the point we all are trying to make is it shouldn't have to be that way.  As to if EA is concerned about any backlash, so far that doesn't look to be the case.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Why does that statement from EA Germany remind of Winston Smith?

Ah, the 80s! Big hair, fast women and the Ministry of Truth.

Good times.

Edit to say: The only reason I didn't toss all hope into the wastebin as soon as The Origin thing came up connection with ME3 is because this is Bioware we're talking abut here.

I might not of always liked thier decisions but they don't have any history at all of slinging BS.

When they finally make a statement I'll be able to believe what they say. They may be part of EA but I still trust them when they make a statement.

I have a bad feeling that statement is going be that Origin is required to installed to play ME3. I also have a feeling that they will post a faq detailing what Origin actually does. (This was hinted at here on the forum)

Until they (Bioware) post the facts I'm just running on the plans of not buying a new version of ME3 for the PC.

A used copy for the Xbox 360 will suit me just fine. Its not the platform I really want and I'd much rather support Bioware with my cash but, hey, that's the breaks eh?

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 08 novembre 2011 - 04:29 .

[Embrosil]

lastpatriot wrote...

Embrosil wrote...


Well as Battlefield 3 has already been cracked and you can play a non-Origin version, I do not worry about Origin in ME3 anymore. If EA wants to lose a customer and his money, their problem, not mine.

While that may be the case for ME:3 as well, I think the point we all are trying to make is it shouldn't have to be that way.  As to if EA is concerned about any backlash, so far that doesn't look to be the case.

Of course it should not. But from what I see, nobody cares. Bioware is acting like it is not their problem and EA is happy they can force they spyware to even more people. So why should care I?