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[Siegdrifa]

Embrosil wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...


http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Yhea, this is not surprising, this is ME3 for origin.

The real worry is, will it be the only one available on PC like battle field 3 ?
Of course they won't say "but you can buy it on steam" on their EA ME3 download page or retail version just need an origin account without origin client use.

Lot of people are waiting the answer.

Well as Battlefield 3 has already been cracked and you can play a non-Origin version, I do not worry about Origin in ME3 anymore. If EA wants to lose a customer and his money, their problem, not mine.

Legaly i mean.

[natie]

Embrosil wrote...

Nope, the Czech version of ME1 released by CD Project does not have any online authentication. You just need to have a DVD in the drive. Which I will always prefer.

The Czech and Polish versions released by CD Project use SafeDisc, which is basically a rootkit, no better than SecuROM. The difference is, it's not called SecuROM, so nobody cares

Well, at least it's not spying on us... I hope.

[Embrosil]

natie wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

Nope, the Czech version of ME1 released by CD Project does not have any online authentication. You just need to have a DVD in the drive. Which I will always prefer.

The Czech and Polish versions released by CD Project use SafeDisc, which is basically a rootkit, no better than SecuROM. The difference is, it's not called SecuROM, so nobody cares

Well, at least it's not spying on us... I hope.

Well, yes, but at least it did not force me to be online :-)

[Michale_Jackson]

Neurotics wrote...

The joys of the console. No need for intrusive software such as Origin.

this. 

[Soul Cool]

Michale_Jackson wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

The joys of the console. No need for intrusive software such as Origin.

this. 

Do people not understand that Microsoft or whoever already does this with their consoles if you are a legitimate online customer?

[N0-Future]

I really don't understand how Bioware can go along with this, they claim to be Autonomous from EA yet why do they still not have a position on Origin yet? The vast majority of fans don't want Origin, therefore they should have got rid of it and stated as much, its that simple. Whats to figure out your either gonna use it and fans/consumers be damned or their going get rid of it and concede to what we, the majority of us want.
I guess they cant because there not as Autonomous as they claim.

[Jade Elf]

N0-Future wrote...

they claim to be Autonomous from EA

They do? If so, then it's regarding the actual development of their games. EA is still the owner and publisher, so obviously they're the ones calling the shots. I doubt BW has much choice in the matter as to how their games are published.

[natie]

N0-Future wrote...
The vast majority of fans don't want Origin

There is no way for you to know this. Go to any BF3 related forum, tell them about spyware and read the responces you get. The "vast majority" of them would allow EA to put a probe up their butt just so they can play the game. This is what's important for EA.

[Gabey5]

Yeah EA is calling the shots and makes the timetables

[N0-Future]

natie wrote...

N0-Future wrote...
The vast majority of fans don't want Origin

There is no way for you to know this. Go to any BF3 related forum, tell them about spyware and read the responces you get. The "vast majority" of them would allow EA to put a probe up their butt just so they can play the game. This is what's important for EA.

Ok I shall put it a different way, in this thread and the old thread about Origin the vast majority of people were vocally anti-Origin ( in total over 130 page I might add, and yes i'v read evey page ) also there are several polls I have seen where nearly 90% of the people who voted didnt want Origin.

Modifié par N0-Future, 08 novembre 2011 - 06:38 .

[N0-Future]

Jade Elf wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

they claim to be Autonomous from EA

They do? If so, then it's regarding the actual development of their games. EA is still the owner and publisher, so obviously they're the ones calling the shots. I doubt BW has much choice in the matter as to how their games are published.

yes ive read an interview where Ray Mazyka pretty much says they are autonomous form EA.

[Lukertin]

N0-Future wrote...
yes ive read an interview where Ray Mazyka pretty much says they are autonomous form EA.

Creative autonomy isn't the same as business autonomy

[N0-Future]

True...

[SalsaDMA]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I installed Origin, I then went to bed and when I awoke they had cut off my legs and somehow I had contracted the plague. ~Just saying... DAM YOU ORIGIN!!! Dam you to hell...

If nothing else I gave you a free thread bump (terms and conditions apply). Well i say free but the bill is in the post and if wish to see the terms and conditions a fee of $5 payable to me upon receiving the request for the information.

You just broke article 3 of their EULA.

"By installing and using this Application you acknowledge and
agree that you will abide by EA’s Terms of Service and otherwise agree not to:
● Create a false identity for purposes of misleading others;
● Defame, abuse, harass, threaten, spam, violate the rights of others and/or
otherwise interfere with others’ use and enjoyment of the Application;
● Publish, transfer or distribute any inappropriate, indecent, obscene, foul or
unlawful conduct;
● Transfer, stream or otherwise make available material that contains viruses,
Trojan horses, worms, time bombs, cancel bots, corrupted files or any other
similar material that may damage the computer or other property of another user;
● Use any portion of the Application to harvest or collect information about
others, including but not limited to email address."

As descriped by the following paragraph

"You agree that a breach of this License may cause
irreparable injury to EA for which monetary damages would not be an adequate
remedy and EA shall be entitled to seek equitable relief in addition to any
remedies it may have hereunder or at law."

you can now expect EA to visit your house and claim your soul and your first born son.

Oh.. And your collection of Bel-Air dvd's...

What? You clearly published inappropriate conduct

EULA at http://eacom.s3.amaz...gin_9.16.11.pdf for your verification

[SalsaDMA]

Vegos wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Vegos wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
If you downloaded the client, you would log in with exactly the same info you do for this forum. No new account would be created.

But I didn't download the client, so I'm not using any info to log into it, that's what I'm saying.

Yhea, we hear you, but you are using an origin account right now.

I'm using an account that would double as an Origin account if I was using the Origin software. We're basically arguing semantics here.

And I started it.

Now I feel bad. Apologies.

It's considered an Origin account be EA. That's how they got their 6 million registered Origin acounts within a few days of launch, didn't you know?

[Feanor_II]

RocShemp wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

RocShemp wrote...

Quite sure.  My copy of ME1 did not include securom. 

All PC copies use it for authentication, unless you bought it off Steam, in which case it uses their DRM.

Mine is the regular edition, wiith 2 DVDs, as I said I installed it twice on my parent's and once on mine, today, after reading these things about SecuROM I installed the game twice more (updating it with BDTS) and it works fine, what a relief

Not quite.

"In May 2008, EA announced that Mass Effect for the PC would be using SecuROM 7.x requiring a reactivation of the software every 10 days.[16] Due to complaints, EA removed the 10-day activation while keeping SecuROM tied to the installation. SecuROM's product activation facility was still used to impose a limit of three times that a customer is allowed to activate the copy of Mass Effect once purchased. The game becomes unplayable "as is" after the activations are used up, until EA's customer support is contacted to reset the activation limit. Unlike BioShock, uninstalling the game does not refund a previously used activation.[17] More recent versions of Mass Effect on budget prices (those available on EA classics and Steam) have SecuROM omitted."

Source: http://en.wikipedia....ROM#Mass_Effect

My copy is one of said budget releases.

I remember buying my ME1 copy on budget price...... but it was a normal edition, not those platinium editions with crappy orange covers..... I think that I've already intalled and uninstalled it 3 times (on differents computers twice at my parents and once on mine)....... maybe today I'll try it............. To much risk, but if they touch my......... and leave the game unplayable I'll go straight for a crack.

Mine is the one with the fugly orange cover:

[SalsaDMA]

Arcian wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...
This is one of those time where console >  PC

Origin is also present on consoles.

Why it is there, I have no idea.

It is not. Origin is only for PC and mobile platforms.

You have an Origin account on consoles, however, but then again so does every single person posting on BSN as of this writing.

EDIT: This whole controversy is overblown. The only reason why you peasants are getting your panties in a twist over this is because you don't want anything to infringe on your ability to download things illegally. The concept of a company who can access your information is scary, but there's just so many legal barriers to what EA can do with your information that it's essentially worthless beyond getting you to stop pirating their games.

first off, calling people for "peasants" because you lack the empathy to see their side of the issue marks you of as both insulting and arrogant.

Seond off, you add to the insults by making a broadband claiming of anyone disagreeing with being spied on must have something to hide.

Congratulations. You just fell into the trap of fascism propaganda 101. Go educate yourself on the subject. For everyones sake. <_<

[Customz]

How exactly is the info gathered through origin going to help them keep games from being pirated?

[SalsaDMA]

lastpatriot wrote...

If you have not already read the article in PC Gamer, you might want to check out the informaton below.  It is rather interesting how this topic is being discussed.

LINK

PC Gamer wrote...

This isn’t the first time EA’s Origin service has raised eyebrows
(and ire) for its unflinchingly iron-fisted EULA. Now, though, the
service is under fire in exciting new locales – primarily from German
paper the Spiegel (via Eurogamer)
– for allegedly granting EA the ability to access other EA programs
without notifying users and giving “partners” free rein to collect
information on “IP addresses, usage data, software, equipment, software
usage and existing hardware peripherals” for marketing purposes.
According to the Spiegel, these things may even violate German privacy
laws.
EA, however, isn’t hurriedly thrusting any red hands behind its back.
This, claims the publisher, absolutely isn’t what it looks like.

“We have updated the End User License Agreement of Origin, in the
interests of our players to create more clarity,” EA Germany said in a
statement. “Origin is not spyware. Neither do we use nor install spyware
on the PCs of users.”
“We do not have access to information such as pictures, documents or
personal data, which have nothing to do with the execution of the Origin
program on the system of the player, neither will they be collected by
us. EA takes the privacy of its users very seriously. We have taken
every precaution to protect the personal and anonymous user data
collected.”
To conclude, EA noted that its EULA sticks to the “industry standard”
where privacy is concerned – but added that it’s certainly open to
addressing any concerns the German government might have.
Even so, it always bears repeating: Actually read the EULA
before clicking the “Why yes, you may harvest my healthy internal organs
in the event of a global pandemic” button. It’s time-consuming, sure,
but – much as I wish more elements of kindergarten carried over into the
real world – there aren’t any takesies-backsies here.

Sony denied the rootkit incident the whole time as well. Hell, they even worsened the situation when asked to fix it.

"Deny everything" is the motto for big companies when they get caught with their hands in the dirt.

[Killjoy Cutter]

natie wrote...

N0-Future wrote...
The vast majority of fans don't want Origin

There is no way for you to know this. Go to any BF3 related forum, tell them about spyware and read the responces you get. The "vast majority" of them would allow EA to put a probe up their butt just so they can play the game. This is what's important for EA.

There's a reason it's called "BF".

[SalsaDMA]

And guys, stop talking about Jolly Roger incentives for getting around the issue.

We all know the unsavory parts of life exists, but advocating for it or the like is a straigth way to a locked thread.

So if you have any thoughts regarding rumdrinking scoundrels, do them in your own head and refrain from posting them in the thread

[WelshWarden]

Siegdrifa wrote...

Embrosil wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

Rokujou79 wrote...


http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas -> Mass Effect 3
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES.

Yhea, this is not surprising, this is ME3 for origin.

The real worry is, will it be the only one available on PC like battle field 3 ?
Of course they won't say "but you can buy it on steam" on their EA ME3 download page or retail version just need an origin account without origin client use.

Lot of people are waiting the answer.

Well as Battlefield 3 has already been cracked and you can play a non-Origin version, I do not worry about Origin in ME3 anymore. If EA wants to lose a customer and his money, their problem, not mine.

Legaly i mean.

The crack he's talking about doesn't remove the checks made to see if the game is authentic as it doesn't do anything to battlelog authentication at all.
It changes the startup sequence to
click icon>battlelog opens asking you to log in

from
click icon>origin loads>click BF3>battlelog opens asking you to log in

[N0-Future]

ye to hell with what we, the consumers want... No Origin for example

Modifié par N0-Future, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[natie]

Customz wrote...

How exactly is the info gathered through origin going to help them keep games from being pirated?

It won't. It's for marketing purposes. The €50-or-whatever you pay for your game is not enough for EA.

[Ulthair]

Soul Cool wrote...

Michale_Jackson wrote...

Neurotics wrote...

The joys of the console. No need for intrusive software such as Origin.

this. 

Do people not understand that Microsoft or whoever already does this with their consoles if you are a legitimate online customer?

There is nothing to trace in Xbox Live or PSN. If there is any tracing in Live, it's what music you listen to and what games you play, not sensitive information.

Origin tracks everything you do, and requires you to be online to play, i can play on Xbox without being on Live.