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[anzolino]

Are you smoking something, Gaidax?

[Vegos]

Gaidax wrote...

And btw... **** people who download software illegally! If there was no such ****, we would not need to pay such astronomic prices for our software to begin with.

....excuse me while I laugh my butt off.

[SalsaDMA]

Arcian wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Arcian wrote...

EDIT: This whole controversy is overblown. The only reason why you peasants are getting your panties in a twist over this is because you don't want anything to infringe on your ability to download things illegally. The concept of a company who can access your information is scary, but there's just so many legal barriers to what EA can do with your information that it's essentially worthless beyond getting you to stop pirating their games.

Troll much?

(Never mind being wrong about what EA can get away with doing with that information.)

Do you seriously think they will gather your sensitive information like passwords, personal information and bank account details and sell it to third parties? Because what else do you have to hide besides what you download illegally?

His privacy.

Stop trolling.

If you don't understand the basic principle of privacy and how important it is for free societies I seriously recomend you read up on the subject.

[Vegos]

Arcian wrote...

Do you seriously think they will gather your sensitive information like passwords, personal information and bank account details and sell it to third parties?

The fact that they could, is enough.

Because what else do you have to hide besides what you download illegally?

That's not any of your business, or any of EA's business. The only one who can trample around my privacy without my permission is the government, and even THAT only if they show on my doorstep with all the necessary paperwork, AND I have to be present for whatever they do, AND they tell me exactly what information they're after.

I don't have anything to hide. I just don't like people spying on me. That's all.

I really don't get this mentality, I mean, do you leave your door unlocked at night and your curtains open and your lights on? If you have nothing to hide you should, I mean, what harm is there in people looking?

[anzolino]

Arcian wrote...
Do you seriously think they will gather your sensitive information like passwords, personal information and bank account details and sell it to third parties? Because what else do you have to hide besides what you download illegally?

That is not the point, Arcian.
The point is: My privacy is not EA business. Here you can read something about this: Why Privacy Matters Even If...

Modifié par anzolino, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[MarauderESP]

Gaidax wrote...

And thanks... I bet my future wife will ensure that my gaming time is reduced to like half an hour a day and that is really an optimist prognosis here.

Not that I mind, tbh. Games are nice, but it is time to move on.

oh u sure will get it reduced , my girl already do it, i got 1 hour at best to play during weeks , weekends are a no no to playing , i use linux becouse of work and i get a liking to it , well move on (i mean when kids come) but till then i would like to enjoy the time i have for games and form me the requiremet of a external program with fishy behabior its a problem becouse i buy a hard copy for games ....

[RiouHotaru]

Wait...if someone HAS Origin installed and hasn't noticed any unusual activity, but there are these German gamers who report the opposite, who am I believe then? Because right now I'm getting conflicting reports.

[Vegos]

Why does the fact that they're German matter?

(Also, not only German gamers report the opposite)

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 10:52 .

[anzolino]

RiouHotaru, what do you mean with conflicting reports?

[RiouHotaru]

Soul Cool wrote...

Protip: I have already had Origin on my computer before and monitored its activity, and did not notice or obtain any log that produced the results that some German gamers are claiming to have obtained.

This right here.  I know a few other people not on the forum board (friends of mine on the BF3 beta) who have reported the same thing.  So...there's some conflicting reports now.

[Vegos]

Not everyone is going to get the same results, that's kind of reasonable to expect. Nor does it mean anyone is "lying".

But the general idea in reality is usually to recall and/or abandon a product because it caused damage to some users, not to ignore the issues because it worked okay for some.

[RiouHotaru]

...What "damage" has it caused. From what I've read, it looks at your Program Data. How is this "damage"?

[Vegos]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...What "damage" has it caused. From what I've read, it looks at your Program Data. How is this "damage"?

My program data is not anyone's business. If it stuck to the EA product information, I'd be cool with that, but look at anything else, sorry no. It doesn't even need to know which version of windows I'm using, and if it tries to look at that anyway without me giving it express permission, no.

So it's damage.

Oh and my copy of windows is perfectly legal, mind you.

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:12 .

[psiasterisk]

Arcian wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Arcian wrote...

EDIT: This whole controversy is overblown. The only reason why you peasants are getting your panties in a twist over this is because you don't want anything to infringe on your ability to download things illegally. The concept of a company who can access your information is scary, but there's just so many legal barriers to what EA can do with your information that it's essentially worthless beyond getting you to stop pirating their games.

Troll much?

(Never mind being wrong about what EA can get away with doing with that information.)

Do you seriously think they will gather your sensitive information like passwords, personal information and bank account details and sell it to third parties? Because what else do you have to hide besides what you download illegally?

I believe that EA has nothing but our best interests at heart. //sarcasm

What does a costumer have to hide? Good question, but here´s a better one:
What business does EA have going through my personal files?

Let´s assume I follow the logic that, since I have nothing to hide (not downloading illegally), I shouldn´t have any problems with EA checking that this is the case, since they allegedly have a legitimate reason to ensure that I am keeping my end of the bargain. Will they, in turn, let me rifle through their files and correspondence to let me convince myself that they are keeping theirs? I mean: Why not? They, according to your argument, have nothing to hide and I have a valid reason to check on them.

Also note that your argument hinges on the assumption that their interest in my files and behaviour stems from their worrying that I might be a pirate, because if it isn´t, the only other option is that they´re trying to freeload on my personal information. This doesn´t mean they will want to sell my bank account info or something else, but maybe they´ll want to sell my user profile or my preferences in video games etc. The point is: As long as I´m the one paying, I´m the one asking the questions. If they would really like to know what other programs I have installed on my computer, they can politely ask. If I refuse to answer, they can try and pay me. If I still refuse, tough luck on them.

The next counterpoint would be that my personal info would be disseminated in a vast corporate server structure, which, while maybe more protected against hacking than my PC, is also a much more apparent target, since the payoff in data volume would be much greater than with a single PC. The damage done (as with the recent hacking of the Sony Network) would be much greater for the same reason. The simple fact is: As long as personal information is scattered across millions of single computers, even though they all are connected to the internet, each holding a single set of personal info, each set of information is protected simply by the sheer amount of sets available for hacking. So even granted that EA wasn´t following some nefarious plan and would have no intentions of ever using the info collected through Origin, there is no denying that there are people who would use that info for harm, it would still be a bad idea to let EA have it, since it makes you as an individual more susceptible to hacking.

In short: "He who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear." is not a valid argument for anything. Never has been.

Modifié par psiasterisk, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:11 .

[SalsaDMA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

Protip: I have already had Origin on my computer before and monitored its activity, and did not notice or obtain any log that produced the results that some German gamers are claiming to have obtained.

This right here.  I know a few other people not on the forum board (friends of mine on the BF3 beta) who have reported the same thing.  So...there's some conflicting reports now.

Not really. Given the nature of the task, it's not impossible to deduce a varied pattern 'of attack', so to speak. There could even be triggers, aside commands from an external server, that makes it happen depending on set parameters.

On another note, I just figured out why I kept getting a nagging in the back of my head every time I skimmed through their EULA.

It's the combo of these sentences:
"Information about our customers is an important part of our business, and EA
would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it
ever use spyware or install spyware on users’ machines."

and

"By installing and using this Application you acknowledge and
agree that you will abide by EA’s Terms of Service and otherwise agree not to:

● Use any portion of the Application to harvest or collect information about
others, including but not limited to email address."

taken together...

Anyone else wondering how the application can be used to 'harvest or collect information' if it is not spyware?

classic, EA. Really nice touch there...

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:10 .

[superkoolstud]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...What "damage" has it caused. From what I've read, it looks at your Program Data. How is this "damage"?

It reads your whole drive, registry, user data folders, everything on C: as proven by screenshots and uploads it to others, Akami technologies, Facebook, Amazon etc. also proven by screenshots.

Modifié par superkoolstud, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:14 .

[Vegos]

psiasterisk wrote...

In short: "He who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear." is not a valid argument for anything. Never has been.

But but...it shows you're a PATRIOT! Disagreeing with it is COMMUNISM!

[/sarcasm]

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:16 .

[anzolino]

RiouHotaru, I've tested the 2 latest Origin versions (before and after the EULA changes) without any game and can confirm this for XP. If Origin is running it accesses the following folders incl. all files after scanning the registry (for the same folder):

C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\Cookies
C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\History
C:\\Documents and Settings[myuser]\\Local Settings\\Temporary Internet Files\\Content.IE5
C:\\Documents and Settings\\ All Users.WINDOWS\\Application Data\\

The last one is what I mentioned earlier. Origin also accesses folders not only related to the logged in user (me). In C:\\Documents and Settings\\All Users.WINDOWS\\Application Data\\ are files of all user accounts on Windows. I like this last one pretty much!

Edit: space for bold

Modifié par anzolino, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[Vegos]

SalsaDMA wrote...


"By installing and using this Application you acknowledge and
agree that you will abide by EA’s Terms of Service and otherwise agree not to:

● Use any portion of the Application to harvest or collect information about
others, including but not limited to email address."

Nice touch indeed.

WHY would I have to agree to that if the "application" couldn't DO that in the first place?

[MarauderESP]

lol they really are smart , its not spyware but the aplication can be used to collect data what is by definition a spyware lol

[Vegos]

anzolino wrote...
The last one is what I mentioned earlier. Origin also accesses folders not only related to the logged in user (me). In C:Documents and SettingsAll Users.WINDOWSApplication Data are files of all user accounts on Windows. I like this last one pretty much!

Or in other words, it accesses the folders of users that did not necessarily agree to the EULA, or do not necessarily even know that there was any EULA to agree to.

[psiasterisk]

Vegos wrote...

psiasterisk wrote...

In short: "He who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear." is not a valid argument for anything. Never has been.

But but...it shows you're a PATRIOT! Disagreeing with it is COMMUNISM!

[/sarcasm]

I LOLed. But since I live in western (not UK) Europe, I am, by definition, a communist anyway.

Which is, btw. the reason that my copy of ME3 will be state sponsored and delivered to me by an oppressed millionaire, working for minimal wage, and I will give them, for a tip, fifty lashes and a friendly spit in the face, before enjoying the game on my 5000 inch flatscreen social services dropped off at my palatial mansion, next to the bridge I used to sleep under, yesterday. //kidding

[Vegos]

Arcian wrote...
You want total privacy? Yeah, so does that father who rapes his 5 year old daughter every night, and that woman who synthesizes meth in her basement, and those guys who meet up every sunday to plot terrorist actions against the government.

So predictable.

Those people are breaking the law. The government can show on their doorstep with the paperwork that makes their privacy void for the duration of their search. They don't have to infringe upon mine to nail the scumbag.

By the way, can I see all your credit card bills from the last year? I PROMISE I won't show them to anyone? No? What do you mean, no? Are you asking for PRIVACY? What are you HIDING? Were you buying something ILLEGAL? Are you PLOTTING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT!? If you don't SHOW me those bills, that means you're HIDING something, and that makes you EVIL!

Note: Any person with half a brain cell tell that above paragraph is basically what you're saying, just more specific. Any person with half a brain cell can also tell it's pure nonsense.

Modifié par Vegos, 08 novembre 2011 - 11:59 .