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#176
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IsaacShep wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

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Is it possible to transfer PC saves to PS3?


PS3 saves use a very different format.  It's basically one giant file per career which is why the save corruption issue on PS3 was so bad.  It would hose entire characters at a stroke.

Great... So I'm stuck with ME on PC & Origin :mellow:


Don't be too despondent, there are some rather good tech chaps who can help legitimately, I dare say no more for fear of locking the thread and being banned by the power of Woo.

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I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA

The newest Origin EULA (which went into effect on Wednesday)
specifically addresses some privacy concerns in the section "Consent to
collection and use of data."

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally
identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or
install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf
do not share information that personally identifies you without your
consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA's legal rights."

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer,
operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact,
another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted
line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with
personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products
and services. We may also share that data with our third party service
providers in a form that does not personally identify you." In fact, the
new EULA makes no mention of marketing at all.

The third section in the EULA, "Application communications and
conduct/privacy settings," has also changed considerably. It no longer
includes wording that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications
on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary," nor
does it specify that if users don't agree to EA's collection, they
shouldn't install the application.


Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.

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why do ppl say n-word? wat is dis harry potter? voldemort? obv i didnt say it 2 offend any1 + ppl make a too big deal out of it smh lol. and i dont play halo nor cod loool (used to play modern warfare/2 but i stopped cuz it got boring and its the same game every year)

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Janus Prospero wrote...

Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.


Not that much different from the Terms of Service, Privacy Policies, or EULAs that most of the other publishers use. Each just has slightly different wording. The entire thing cropped up because people were digging for a way to vilify EA due to not having BF3 on Steam. I mean, if you're really that worried about someone looking at your porn, you'd think you'd complain about every clause out there instead of just picking out the newest one.

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didymos1120 wrote...

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Unfortunately EA/Bioware's EULA for the game does state that Origin will be required for Mass Effect 3.
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http://www.ea.com/1/product-eulas

*snip*


That page is specifically about digital edtions of the listed games purchased via Origin.  So, um, yeah: if you buy it off Origin and download it with Origin, it's kinda gonna require, you know, Origin.




How did you come to that conclusion?

As far as I know that is the EA products EULA and they are the same for retail or digital purchases.

So if the link to EULA's I posted is specifically for digital editions and  there is a seperate retail EULA page why don't you post a link to it smart guy?

Go ahead. Find it and prove me wrong instead of just posting a snarky comment.

I'd honestly be happy if you could.

Modifié par Nathander Von Eric, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:09 .


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If its necesary Origin for play mass effect Online i dont buy it... and i´m talking with a lawyer (Specialized on thos things) about if its legal this Eula on my country...

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GMagnum wrote...

why do ppl say n-word? wat is dis harry potter? voldemort? obv i didnt say it 2 offend any1 + ppl make a too big deal out of it smh lol. and i dont play halo nor cod loool (used to play modern warfare/2 but i stopped cuz it got boring and its the same game every year)


The fact you don't understand or appreciate the fact that the word is offensive, makes it even more offensive. I'm just saying you can find better ways to express yourself than using crude, barbaric and potentially hurtful language.

Although your grammar, syntax and spelling are barbaric enough as is. :P

Modifié par Hathur, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:08 .


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I just need to know if Origin is always-online or not. No one seems to know that.

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GMagnum wrote...

why do ppl say n-word? wat is dis harry potter? voldemort? obv i didnt say it 2 offend any1 + ppl make a too big deal out of it smh lol. and i dont play halo nor cod loool (used to play modern warfare/2 but i stopped cuz it got boring and its the same game every year)

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Hathur wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

why do ppl say n-word? wat is dis harry potter? voldemort? obv i didnt say it 2 offend any1 + ppl make a too big deal out of it smh lol. and i dont play halo nor cod loool (used to play modern warfare/2 but i stopped cuz it got boring and its the same game every year)


The fact you don't understand or appreciate the fact that the word is offensive, makes it even more offensive. I'm just saying you can find better ways to express yourself than using crude barbarian-like language.

Although your grammar, syntax and spelling are barbaric enough as is. :P


ok im srry i wont say it anymore :crying: i just dun understand how blk ppl say da word and then get offended when some1 else from a diff race says it. y not just ban everyone from sayin it? -sigh- such is life
a msg 2 everyone: i didnt say it to offend so i hope we can all still move on as friends

even tho some of yall hurt my feelings i want u all to know i love u all

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Janus Prospero wrote...

I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA

The newest Origin EULA (which went into effect on Wednesday)
specifically addresses some privacy concerns in the section "Consent to
collection and use of data."

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally
identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or
install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf
do not share information that personally identifies you without your
consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA's legal rights."

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer,
operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact,
another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted
line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with
personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products
and services. We may also share that data with our third party service
providers in a form that does not personally identify you." In fact, the
new EULA makes no mention of marketing at all.

The third section in the EULA, "Application communications and
conduct/privacy settings," has also changed considerably. It no longer
includes wording that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications
on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary," nor
does it specify that if users don't agree to EA's collection, they
shouldn't install the application.


Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.


The new terms didn't really do anything, the inital EULA simply had marketing included within it. The undefined unrestricted access clause remains, and the distribution, portion allows it to be distributed to third parties, but doesn't specify the purpose, which can potentially include marketing, but done via a third party data analyst taken on by EA. There is no definition of what information is sent either. And one has to read the privacy policy which overrides these terms if they conflict.

Whilst Mass effect 2 only identified other software, not its usage, Origins does. In additon Steam's was self restricted to items which interacted with its software only, from what I have read Origin scans the entire DataProgram folder, although I don't really see the point behind it, I think it is very strange in the way it acts.

From a contractual stand point very little changed, from the previous Origin EULA to this one, Steam's is less intrusive, although I don't like that one much either, whilst I don't know if I'll post the process moniter logs from what Steam gets up to, see if I find them. Generally I don't advocate Steam or Origin, I think Steam in this case is simply the lesser of two evils, not exactly a ringing endorsement of Steam, but there we go.

Modifié par billy the squid, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:16 .


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Janus Prospero wrote...
Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.


Invasion of privacy is just ONE of the reasons why I do not want Origin on my machine and as far as I am aware we could opt out of the data gathering in ME 2 (it was the first thing I did when I installed ME 2).  Look guys this topic is not for general Origin chat.  If you want to debate why we are wrong about Origin then do it in the off topic section.  This topic is for the discussion of ME 3 and Origin anything outside of that involing Origin should be done in the off topic section.

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 @GMagnum It's not about me being offended personally... the word doesn't hurt me, I'm not of that ethnicity. But there may be others who are and they shouldn't have to read that stuff here.. it might be hurtful to them.

Just speaking as someone who had some slightly hurtful and gross things hurled at me recently on the BSN in the past week by a vile troll and didn't want others to have to end up feeling the same way I did.
Sorry, guess I'm just being a bit of a mother hen today. :unsure:

Modifié par Hathur, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:17 .


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Janus Prospero wrote...

I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA


That EULA described in the link is outdated (again). The new one can be found here.

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charmingcharlie wrote...

Janus Prospero wrote...
Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.


Invasion of privacy is just ONE of the reasons why I do not want Origin on my machine and as far as I am aware we could opt out of the data gathering in ME 2 (it was the first thing I did when I installed ME 2).  Look guys this topic is not for general Origin chat.  If you want to debate why we are wrong about Origin then do it in the off topic section.  This topic is for the discussion of ME 3 and Origin anything outside of that involing Origin should be done in the off topic section.


So, if someone isn't all bent out of shape about Origin, we're supposed to GTFO? If you folks want to keep it on the ME3 needed for Origin bit, then take the "OMG IT'S SPYWARE" to the other forum too, since that has nothing to do with ME3 + Origin, by your definition.

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People choose to be offended..

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Hathur wrote...

 @GMagnum ^ It's not about me being offended personally... the word doesn't hurt me, I'm not of that ethnicity. But there may be others who are and they shouldn't have to read that stuff here.. it might be hurtful to them.

Just speaking as someone who had some slightly hurtful and gross things hurled at me recently on the BSN in the past week by a vile troll and didn't want others to have to end up feeling the same way I did.
Sorry, guess I'm just being a bit of a mother hen today. :unsure:


its ok i understand ur intentions its all good  and i am srry to hear dat someone was being mean to u - dis is a cruel forum ppl r mean to me all the time, callin me a troll n sht wtf? honestly these ppl need to look up da word troll.......................<_<

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Melchiah109 wrote...  So, if someone isn't all bent out of shape about Origin, we're supposed to GTFO? If you folks want to keep it on the ME3 needed for Origin bit, then take the "OMG IT'S SPYWARE" to the other forum too, since that has nothing to do with ME3 + Origin, by your definition.


Erm no that is not what I said, if you want to say "meh Origin don't care I will play Mass Effect 3 no matter what" then that is perfectly fine.  The problem is you have people in here talking about Origin in general and that is what led to the first topic being closed. 

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@GMagnum
I'm black (half anyways) and I find the word highly offensive. I also have family members who say the word, but I don't think they should; I don't think anybody should. And, most definitely, one person saying something wrong doesn't mean everyone else can.

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A retail copy of ME3 will use Origin for authentication or something like that, that's a major loss.
Hasn't EA learned anything from ME1? People(generally) don't want such authentication methods, the good old fashioned put the DVD in the disc drive as in ME2 is the prefered method. It's worked since time immemorial.

It's just an extra piece of software tagged along, still awaiting more details on how often this authentication is necessary. It's nevertheless beyond unecessary and annoying.

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

@GMagnum
I'm black (half anyways) and I find the word highly offensive. I also have family members who say the word, but I don't think they should; I don't think anybody should. And, most definitely, one person saying something wrong doesn't mean everyone else can.


dats what im tryin to say - i dont think just 1 race shuld be able 2 say it den its offensive if another group of ppl say it - if thats the case just make it so no1 can say it smh but i am srry if i offended i didnt mean 2

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GMagnum wrote...

hey if yall pc dudes dont wanna fk with dat origin sht and wanna play it on 360 lemme kno we can fk some nggas up in co-op

Sry for going off topic but you remind me on this guy.
www.youtube.com/watch

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PXXL wrote...

People choose to be offended..


Not to derail the thread but that's unfathomably ignorant. By your logic I shouldn't have been offended / hurt by the suggestion of some idiot on these forums a few days ago that said I deserve to be or should be sexually assaulted. Right. I CHOOSE to be hurt by the suggestion of being made a victim of a horrifying crime... my being offended / hurt by that statement had nothing to do with the momentary disturbing thought of having that happen to me... yeah.. my choice. 

By the same token the n-word can (not always, but each person is different) be very hurtful to some people... the word is rooted in hatred and while today it is sometimes used in jest, it is still also used to denigrate a person or attempt to make them feel somehow inferior or something less than human.

Ok back on topic... I'm not responding anymore, I don't want to derail it.... My apologies to everyone, I'll go away now. :(

Modifié par Hathur, 15 octobre 2011 - 06:32 .


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Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

GMagnum wrote...

hey if yall pc dudes dont wanna fk with dat origin sht and wanna play it on 360 lemme kno we can fk some nggas up in co-op

Sry for going off topic but you remind me on this guy.
www.youtube.com/watch


lmao dis is funny as hell

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Hathur wrote...

PXXL wrote...

People choose to be offended..


Not to derail the thread but that's unfathomably ignorant. By your logic I shouldn't have been offended / hurt by the suggestion of some idiot on these forums a few days ago that said I deserve to be or should be sexually assaulted. Right. I CHOOSE to be hurt by the suggestion of being made a victim of a horrifying crime... my being offended / hurt by that statement had nothing to do with the momentary disturbing thought of having that happen to me... yeah.. my choice. 

By the same token the n-word can (not always, but each person is different) be very hurtful to some people... the word is rooted in hatred and while today it is sometimes used in jest, it is still also used to denigrate a person or attempt to make them feel somehow inferior or something less than human.

Ok back on topic... I'm not responding anymore, I don't want to derail it.... My apologies to everyone, I'll go away now. :(


Please don't go away.