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[SalsaDMA]

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

EA Germany invited to an open forum. I hope we get things done and it's not all just useless talk.Though I don't know how much influence EA Germany has on the mothership...

I think it shows that the consumers in Germany are making an impact on EA sales.

I wish the rest of the world would wake up and apply equal presure so we could get the point accross that this is not a localized discontent with their business practices.

News media I've tried contacting here with links to the german news as references just choose to ignore it, for some reason

[DownyTif]

SalsaDMA wrote...

ColorMeSuprised wrote...

EA Germany invited to an open forum. I hope we get things done and it's not all just useless talk.Though I don't know how much influence EA Germany has on the mothership...

I think it shows that the consumers in Germany are making an impact on EA sales.

I wish the rest of the world would wake up and apply equal presure so we could get the point accross that this is not a localized discontent with their business practices.

News media I've tried contacting here with links to the german news as references just choose to ignore it, for some reason

Same for me. I contacted A LOT of news media, absolutly no feedback. I wish I was German. Anyway, I hope Germany will speak for us too in the open forum.

[Sailears]

*Pokes head in*

EA and BW, please make it available on steam.

*runs away*

[Killjoy Cutter]

Curunen wrote...

*Pokes head in*

EA and BW, please make it available on steam.

*runs away*

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

[Taciter]

Merchant2006 wrote...

You and me both. I can't ... *looks at eyes* stop looking at that and just roaring with laughter.

...I heard about that Battlefield 3 No Origin crack for people who bought the game retail but didn't want to use Origin... mmmh. No doubt someone will do the same for ME3... IF it has Origin... which.... bleh.

Hahaha... despite the frequent confrontations, this forum is a real blast - I don't think I've ever participated in a gamer forum that played host to so many intelligent contributors before.

So someone managed to produce a crack for Battlefield 3 eh, well, I suppose it was inevitable... whenever there is sufficient demand for a product or service, someone fills the niche but I hope EA learn from it.

Modifié par Taciter, 11 novembre 2011 - 08:35 .

[Sailears]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Curunen wrote...

*Pokes head in*

EA and BW, please make it available on steam.

*runs away*

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This too, and then everyone's happy!

[Alex_SM]

It was a weird crack. The first one which ever required the original game to work.

"EA Trojan - It's in the game...ehm...It was in the game!

Razor1911 doesn't accept and support the online DRM "Origin" from EA.

This release is dedicated to our fans worldwide who bought this game on
legal way and don't want to install the trojan from Electronic Arts to play
online."

[SalsaDMA]

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

[Killjoy Cutter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

+1

[DownyTif]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

+1

+2

[Alex_SM]

Bioware can't say a single word about this. Is not (and will never be) their decision. 

And EA is already aware of it. There's a chance for Origin to be declared illegal in some countries.

i can't see how bypassing it could be considered a bad thing. It's most likely to be absolute good. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 11 novembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[SalsaDMA]

Alex_SM wrote...

Bioware can't say a single word about this. Is not (and will never be) their decision. 

And EA is already aware of it. There's a chance for Origin to be declared illegal in some countries.

i can't see how bypassing it could be considered a bad thing. It's most likely to be absolute good. 

You are on an EA forum.

And you want to discuss ways to circumvent EA code.

How do you think that works out?

While tampering with their code could be grounds for being pulled to court by them, spending a few seconds THINKING wether or not a company would be interested in hosting discussions on how to destroy their own products isn't.

You want to discuss those topics? Move them elsewhere. Somewhere that isn't ON EA property.

How do you THINK it would look if a company, ANY company, allowed people to openly discuss ways to break their products on their very own forums? Turn the switch inside you to 'on' and realize that discussing those things just act as a red flag in a trollish way with no positive outcomes possible.

The only response you can get from with such postings is a ban and/or lock.

[anzolino]

DownyTif wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...
Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

+1

+2

+3 )

[Alex_SM]

SalsaDMA wrote...

You are on an EA forum.

And you want to discuss ways to circumvent EA code.

How do you think that works out?

While tampering with their code could be grounds for being pulled to court by them, spending a few seconds THINKING wether or not a company would be interested in hosting discussions on how to destroy their own products isn't.

You want to discuss those topics? Move them elsewhere. Somewhere that isn't ON EA property.

How do you THINK it would look if a company, ANY company, allowed people to openly discuss ways to break their products on their very own forums? Turn the switch inside you to 'on' and realize that discussing those things just act as a red flag in a trollish way with no positive outcomes possible.

The only response you can get from with such postings is a ban and/or lock.

I just posted part of a press release. It's been around the net for more than a week. 

Modifié par Alex_SM, 11 novembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

It wasn't formatted or noted so as to clearly be a quote, was it? It just looked like your own comment.

[Taciter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

I'll assume you were directing your salient advice elsewhere since my own post in no way advocated the use of additional code to circumvent digital rights integrity.

[Abirn]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

Under the legal concept of fair use cracking a game you bought legally isn't illegal.  Distributing that crack to others that haven't bought it legally is illegal, but you have a legal right to use the products you purchase.  This is settled law.  IE Jailbroken phones.

[SalsaDMA]

Abirn wrote...

Under the legal concept of fair use cracking a game you bought legally isn't illegal.  Distributing that crack to others that haven't bought it legally is illegal, but you have a legal right to use the products you purchase.  This is settled law.  IE Jailbroken phones.

You don't buy the games. You buy/rent a license to use them under the conditions given by the distributors/developers. This is why EA can get away with stating in their EULA that they reserve the right to revoke your access to any game you get through Origin.

From the very first paragraph in Origin EULA: "You do not own the Application."

Also of note later on: "The Application is licensed,
and not sold, to you for use only under the terms of this License. Except
as expressly licensed to you herein, EA reserves all right, title and
interest in the Application and all software delivered through the
Application (including all characters, storyline, images, photographs,
animations, video, music, text), and all associated copyrights,
trademarks, and other intellectual property rights therein. The License is
limited to the intellectual property rights of EA and its licensors in the
Application and does not include any rights to other patents or
intellectual property. Except, and only to the extent that may be
permitted under applicable law, you may not decompile, disassemble, or
reverse engineer the Application by any means whatsoever, or alter,
modify, enhance, or create a derivative work of the Application. You
may not remove, alter, or obscure any product identification, copyright,
or other intellectual property notices in the Application or software
delivered through the Application."

So no, you are not fiddling with your product when fiddling with origin or EA software delivered with Origin (which will be all new software as things are stnading now.) You're fiddling with their product, which you have a license to.

Edit: this is why your phone example fails. A proper comparison would have been renting a car and claiming you don't like the seat coverings so replace it, and pull out a spraycan and paint some flames on the sides of the car as well, to give it that personal touch. Next time the car-rental company sees the car you would then get a hefty fine due to misuse of the rental license you had as well as them revoking your right to use the car in the future.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 11 novembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Alex_SM]

Well, most software EULAs are legally non-binding in lots of countries. The fact that a company writes it doesn't mean it means something in real world.

Modifié par Alex_SM, 11 novembre 2011 - 11:16 .

[Feanor_II]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Curunen wrote...

*Pokes head in*

EA and BW, please make it available on steam.

*runs away*

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This

[Lumikki]

Feanor_II wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This

I support this too.

[whitey4444]

Lumikki wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This

I support this too.

I think we all do.

I would gladly buy a hard copy, without multiplayer, that ran without origin. I would almost consider buying it at a premium if it meant no origin.

[TheRealJayDee]

Lumikki wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This

I support this too.

Me too. I don't think anybody should have any objection to this.

[CenturyCrow]

Lumikki wrote...

Feanor_II wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

EA and BW, please make a hard-copy version available in stores without Origin or Steam involved at all.

This

I support this too.

Agreed. Install the game -> register -> play. No hassles.

The creative BioWare part of the corporation puts a lot of effort into making games for people to play. The non-creative EA part of the corporation has a lot of lawyers making roadblocks for honest people just wanting to playing those games. If BioWare made shoelaces, EA would make it impossible to use.

The Reapers have assumed control of the lawyers;  where's Sheperd when we really need him or her?

[billy the squid]

Abirn wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Could we try NOT to post about cracks and pirates?

It's STUPID to do so. No excuse.

We KNOW there are 'circumventions' to the actual code that can be utilized, but mentioning them all the frigging time is just ASKING for bioware to lock the thread.

GET A CLUE!

We KNOW about illegal crap. STOP advocating it as it is NOT a solution to anything.

2 wrongs does NOT make one right.

And continually mentioning it just shows you as having ZERO understanding of the issues at hand as this thread is probably the only 'haven' for us to continually make bioware and EA aware of how big an issue we think Origin is.

STOP SABOTAGING THE THREAD.

Under the legal concept of fair use cracking a game you bought legally isn't illegal.  Distributing that crack to others that haven't bought it legally is illegal, but you have a legal right to use the products you purchase.  This is settled law.  IE Jailbroken phones.

Whoa, whoa. Hold on there. No it is not legal to do the same to games. iphones have been granted an exception by the DMCA as the jaibreaking allows users to switch carriers, it does not come under Copyright legislation.

In games You are given license to use the IP and software in a manner determined by the licensor or Copyright legislation. That is an entirely different point from jailbreaking iphones and the like, you own the iphone, you do not own the IP.