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[ME_Fan]

I have a question which is kinda related. I want Battlefield 3 on PC, but haven't bothered because of Origin. Now I'm hearing that it's not too bad. Should I or should I not install Origin on my PC?

[Lumikki]

ME_Fan wrote...

I have a question which is kinda related. I want Battlefield 3 on PC, but haven't bothered because of Origin. Now I'm hearing that it's not too bad. Should I or should I not install Origin on my PC?

That's everyones personal choise.

I don't recomment installing Origin client to anywhere untill EA fix Origin client (new version) so that data collection is voluntary. I'm pretty sure they will fix that, because without that change the software is illegal in many countries. They don't need to do much else than add extra question, does player want to be part data collection or not.

[SalsaDMA]

Lumikki wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

I have a question which is kinda related. I want Battlefield 3 on PC, but haven't bothered because of Origin. Now I'm hearing that it's not too bad. Should I or should I not install Origin on my PC?

That's everyones personal choise.

I don't recomment installing Origin client to anywhere untill EA fix Origin client (new version) so that data collection is voluntary. I'm pretty sure they will fix that, because without that change the software is illegal in many countries. They don't need to do much else than add extra question, does player want to be part data collection or not.

Forcing the program to ask the user anytime something is installed/removed as well would also be nice.

I heard some people mention that Origin had deleted folders without asking them. appearantly this happened with the BF3 beta when it was over, and the folders just got deleted from the systems without asking the users. I can only imagine what horrors could happen if hackers got access to those triggers...

[Killjoy Cutter]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

ME_Fan wrote...

I have a question which is kinda related. I want Battlefield 3 on PC, but haven't bothered because of Origin. Now I'm hearing that it's not too bad. Should I or should I not install Origin on my PC?

That's everyones personal choise.

I don't recomment installing Origin client to anywhere untill EA fix Origin client (new version) so that data collection is voluntary. I'm pretty sure they will fix that, because without that change the software is illegal in many countries. They don't need to do much else than add extra question, does player want to be part data collection or not.

Forcing the program to ask the user anytime something is installed/removed as well would also be nice.

I heard some people mention that Origin had deleted folders without asking them. appearantly this happened with the BF3 beta when it was over, and the folders just got deleted from the systems without asking the users. I can only imagine what horrors could happen if hackers got access to those triggers...

This is likely an intentional "feature" of Origin -- the ability for EA to simply delete software and data from a user's hard drive as EA sees fit.   See also, the Amazon Kindle and deleted books. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

ME_Fan wrote...

I have a question which is kinda related. I want Battlefield 3 on PC, but haven't bothered because of Origin. Now I'm hearing that it's not too bad. Should I or should I not install Origin on my PC?

Do not install it, and do not buy any product that requires it to be installed.

[SalsaDMA]

Hmm....

I just read on the Steam BF3 forum that people can still get access to their games denied by getting forum bans... Apperantly since Origin and the forums count as the same account, getting banned on the forum, regardless of how silly the cause may or may not be (I'm not making judgements here, just making the issue obvious) means access to any origin-required game gets cut off too...

Even though I have yet to get a forum ban *knocks on wood*, such a linking certainly isn't enticing me to think I WANT games inexplicitly tied to origin. Quite the opposite.

If anything I am even more leery of Origin now than before.

[Unbannable]

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

[DownyTif]

Unbannable wrote...

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

That's a pretty good point, indeed!!

[The Sapien]

TheWerdna wrote...

Well, Wasn't Battlefield 3 cracked within a week of launch so that Origin is not required? If so then Mass Effect 3 will likewise be cracked within a week, thus problem solved.

It's almost funny. Games that try to fight pirates have all fallen to the pirates. They always fail in this battle. So, who gets screwed in the process? Everyone who buys the game, not the pirates. We all know, too, that games with no restrictions are warmly accepted and supported by just about everyone, with even sharers becoming demoers and encouraging everyone to buy the game.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong and EA has better actual numbers on this topic. Maybe they make most of their sales to nubes who don't care about privacy or restrictions and who also don't know anything about alternatives and don't like reading a few lines on how to install hacked versions. Maybe DRM free games do get shared with people liking the "demo" and still not paying up.

Maybe, too, most of their sales go to customers who never even visit these forums?

[Rewston]

DownyTif wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

That's a pretty good point, indeed!!

I know for one wont buy any more games that EA  is publishing, had nothing agianst EA  before but this.. I will never again trust anything EA  says, nor buy

Modifié par Rewston, 14 novembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[Panzersmith5]

DownyTif wrote...

Unbannable wrote...

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

That's a pretty good point, indeed!!

I wrote a thread about it just a little while ago, and they locked it right away it was this article that worried me, although, I was still worried back from Dragon Age 2 when this happened and nothing would come of it:
http://www.rockpaper...ffecting-games/

Its very worrying to me and I'm wondering if now I shouldn't bother, as much as I love Mass Effect, I don't want my money to be wasted. I don't plan on posting disruptivly, but already, I open a topic and it gets locked right away when I wasn't being disruptive, it makes me wonder, how quickly I can be banned without worrying about it...

They did say in that thread that origin accounts and EA accounts are different and that one ban will not ban you on the other, however- and I don't blame them for not knowing, and I do not accuse them of willful misinformation, because it is EA's business and not Bioware- this is false. A ban on the forums does ban you from your origin account, it has already happened to several people on Battlefield 3 and Dragon Age 2 (On dragon age 2 it was said to be a mistake, however, this was proven not to be the case as 8 months later this "mistake" is still happening).

I guess I won't talk about it anymore... I don't want to lose the games I already have

Modifié par Panzersmith5, 14 novembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Baron Warlock]

EA keep on doing things to erode any trust I had in them. Latest example is the RPS article: http://www.rockpaper...fecting-games/.

Even though someone from Bioware have stated the converse about Bioware forum bans http://social.biowar...8697046#8697158 . I doubt that Bioware they have control over what happens with http://forum.ea.com/ and http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/.

EA might be good at increasing shareholder value, but they seem good at ruining game developers I like.

If ME3 is an Origin exclusive, I don't trust EA enough to buy any game from them, let alone a game I'd happily pre-order under different circumstances

[CenturyCrow]

Baron Warlock wrote...
EA might be good at increasing shareholder value, but they seem good at ruining game developers I like.

Agreed. Hard to believe that all the creative efforts of BioWare are so easily undermined by the (non-productive) lawyers with their EULAs and TOSs and marketing with their schemes to snoop and datamine.

I cancelled my preorder for the Collector's Edition. The ME clothing I was thinking of getting is now off my list too. Too bad ME3 comes with the EA Origin 'curse'. Worried so much about 2nd hand sales, they may lose a lot of repeat customers.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 14 novembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[Bogsnot1]

The longer this goes on without answer, the more deafening the silence becomes.

Due to the lack of answers, this is now my checklist for dealing with Origin.
Parrot: Check
Pegleg: Check
Black Flag: Check
Rum: Check

I'll still buy the game, but I'll be buggered with a barnacled mast before I allow Origin onto my system.

[RiouHotaru]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Hmm....

I just read on the Steam BF3 forum that people can still get access to their games denied by getting forum bans... Apperantly since Origin and the forums count as the same account, getting banned on the forum, regardless of how silly the cause may or may not be (I'm not making judgements here, just making the issue obvious) means access to any origin-required game gets cut off too...

Even though I have yet to get a forum ban *knocks on wood*, such a linking certainly isn't enticing me to think I WANT games inexplicitly tied to origin. Quite the opposite.

If anything I am even more leery of Origin now than before.

Unbannable wrote...

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

Except that Steam can do the exact same thing.  If your account is suspended for ANY reason, you lose access to ALL your games.  Now, Steam Forum accounts are separate from Steam Client Accounts, but it's not a far cry to say that people at Steam could easily find out what client account a forum account uses and suspend you.  In fact I'm certain there's nothing stopping them from doing so.

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

[RiouHotaru]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The longer this goes on without answer, the more deafening the silence becomes.

Due to the lack of answers, this is now my checklist for dealing with Origin.
Parrot: Check
Pegleg: Check
Black Flag: Check
Rum: Check

I'll still buy the game, but I'll be buggered with a barnacled mast before I allow Origin onto my system.

Does BF3 require that Origin actually be RUNNING to play it?  Or simply that Origin be installed?

[anzolino]

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Because I don't use Steam and I don't intend to use it. (but it hurts... Skyrim...)

[charmingcharlie]

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

[RiouHotaru]

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

[The Sapien]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

LOL, I wonder if there's just a crack...I don't want to pirate a game.

Even better would a crack that feeds back false info to EA, LOL,
Tells them I'm watching Smurfs, bought an Obama autobiography, and turn my computer off by 9pm every evening.

[charmingcharlie]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

You wanted to know why people are not up in arms about steam  potentially doing what EA HAVE done and I gave you your answer, they haven't done it in 7 years and they are unlikely to do it ever because Steam considers your forum account seperate to your Steam account (hm shock, common sense eh ?).

I don't care what lame excuse EA comes out with for this practice it is disgusting and unacceptable to ban users from their legally purchased games.  The only way I would agree with the practice being acceptable is if EA refunded the full price of any games a user is banned from (bet they wouldn't be too eager to ban people then).  In my opinion banning a user from their purchased games just because of forum behaviour is tantamount to theft.

As for you saying that "it's not a horrible business practice" well I am absolutely astonished you would even consider saying something like that.  Now we are getting off topic, you wanted to know why Steam doesn't get such a rough ride, well your answer is simple Valve doesn't pull 90% of the crap EA is trying to pull with Origin.

[The Sapien]

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Yeah, my only problem with Steam was with DA2 being installed in a way that made opening the console near impossible; never got it working for me. There was a problem between EA and Steam dealing with DLC's for DA2, too, but that was between them, and the normal way of getting DLC's still worked so that was kewl. Other than that, it just sucks using Steam because of the extra loading times upon startup of any game and extra menus when you just want the game to start. But Steam is alright.

Okay, I hate it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

RiouHotaru wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Hmm....

I just read on the Steam BF3 forum that people can still get access to their games denied by getting forum bans... Apperantly since Origin and the forums count as the same account, getting banned on the forum, regardless of how silly the cause may or may not be (I'm not making judgements here, just making the issue obvious) means access to any origin-required game gets cut off too...

Even though I have yet to get a forum ban *knocks on wood*, such a linking certainly isn't enticing me to think I WANT games inexplicitly tied to origin. Quite the opposite.

If anything I am even more leery of Origin now than before.

Unbannable wrote...

I'm going to revoke my earlier support for Origins. While I don't think that there's any thing wrong with the concept of a unified digital distribution platform, I forgot that EA has been known to suspend your entire game account via forum bans (it's happened to me so I know), which affects your ability to play your games or use your DLC.

Using Origins to buy a game basically gives EA near absolute control over your purchased game, so with that said, I don't recommend using Origins to purchase games any more.

Except that Steam can do the exact same thing.  If your account is suspended for ANY reason, you lose access to ALL your games.  Now, Steam Forum accounts are separate from Steam Client Accounts, but it's not a far cry to say that people at Steam could easily find out what client account a forum account uses and suspend you.  In fact I'm certain there's nothing stopping them from doing so.

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

As I've said maybe a dozen times already on this thread, I won't install or use Steam.  I will not buy or install any game that requires Steam for any reason. 

And the ability for Valve to deny me access to games I've already paid for is right up there on the list of reasons why.

[The Sapien]

anzolino wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Because I don't use Steam and I don't intend to use it. (but it hurts... Skyrim...)

Skyrim was like immediately cracked.
Just saying.
Personally, I have no idea what's to like about that game but am fascinated by how horribly boring itis.