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[Hathur]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Please don't go away.

/in quiet lurk / spy mode 

[Wittand25]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I just need to know if Origin is always-online or not. No one seems to know that.

Origin has a  (rather hard to activate) Offline Mode.
It is currently not known wheter the Offline mode will be enough to play ME3 once the game is registerd.

Modifié par Wittand25, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:50 .

[Pepper4]

Any update on Jesse Houston's Q&A?

[Lukertin]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...

Janus Prospero wrote...

I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA

That EULA described in the link is outdated (again). The new one can be found here.

The thing that EA's Origin does, and other services like Steam do not, is this:

"The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware."
Steam, WoW, etc., all scan your RAM from time to time, and look at your hardware configuration to get an idea of whether you are cheating at their online game, and to get an idea of their users' computer specifications, all reasonable things to do and I don't really have a problem with that.

They, however, do not scan your hard drive to search for random software that may or may not be running, they don't keep track of what software you install or remove (beyond driver information). Doing so is a ridiculous breach of privacy and I will not be buying any game that requires Origin to play on my PC.

Modifié par Lukertin, 15 octobre 2011 - 07:22 .

[The_11thDoctor]

ironman001 wrote...

Do i need account in Origin to  play Mass Effect 3 single player or multiplayer? I'm asking to be sure if to buy ME 3 CE or cancel me preorder.

You do know there are around 10 threads with the same question and with the same wording. I even made this thread months ago...

[zweistein_J]

ill try keep my faith on Bioware and hope they wont force us to have to download and install Origin to play ME3 or ME3-GaW...
or else ill have to keep searching for alternatives like using Virtualbox or something..

[Erszebeth]

Let's get real, installing Origin will be mandatory, even if for only a part of ME3.
EA won't succeed in imposing Origin as an alternative to Steam if they don't do that kind of buisness move.

[shepskisaac]

Erszebeth wrote...

Let's get real, installing Origin will be mandatory, even if for only a part of ME3.
EA won't succeed in imposing Origin as an alternative to Steam if they don't do that kind of buisness move.

Any chance Origin could ever compete with Steam vanished the moment people discovered the surprises EA prepared in the EULA. If they weren't wary about the store/app because of EA being 'big evil corporation', the EULA drama reassured everyone that it was not worth giving EA a chance. So I dunno if it's even worth bothering.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 octobre 2011 - 10:05 .

[Erszebeth]

IsaacShep wrote...
Any chance Origin could ever compete with Steam vanished the moment people discovered the surprises EA prepared in the EULA. If they weren't wary about the store/app because of EA being 'big evil corporation', the EULA drama reassured everyone that it was not worth giving EA a chance. So I dunno if it's even worth bothering.

I do agree that Origin is at best a bloatware and at worst a very likely piece of malware, but I think you're underestimating the number of gamers that would install anything on their rigs to play a game. Then again, the same gamers are very vocal and very lazy about not wanting to use anything else than Steam, so anything is possible.

[NPH11]

 @gtez in your Origin FAQ can you answer whether we will require a persistent Internet connection to play the single player campaign, cheers

@CharmingCharli3 That I don't need to answer cause we aren't! It's Single Player fer pete's sake.

Well that's good to hear.

Modifié par NPH11, 16 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .

[shep82]

I'm not worried about origin as I have nothing sinister to hide.

[Lukertin]

Erszebeth wrote...
I do agree that Origin is at best a bloatware and at worst a very likely piece of malware, but I think you're underestimating the number of gamers that would install anything on their rigs to play a game. Then again, the same gamers are very vocal and very lazy about not wanting to use anything else than Steam, so anything is possible.

*ahem*
I only use Steam to play Valve games. Everything else is unrelated and unconnected to that program, which I dislike for the mere reason that it seems to require an update every other day. Impulse is a vastly superior alternative to Steam because it doesn't tie your game's license to your Steam license.

I said no to Origin and I will continue to do so until they stop believing that I am amenable to giving people I have no reason to trust the right to scan my hard drive for installed software.

[NOD-INFORMER37]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

shep82 wrote...

I'm not worried about origin as I have nothing sinister to hide.

*rolls eyes*

Well Origin's new intro is a little sinister...



....must be nothing though. :]

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

Erszebeth wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Any chance Origin could ever compete with Steam vanished the moment people discovered the surprises EA prepared in the EULA. If they weren't wary about the store/app because of EA being 'big evil corporation', the EULA drama reassured everyone that it was not worth giving EA a chance. So I dunno if it's even worth bothering.

I think you're underestimating the number of gamers that would install anything on their rigs to play a game.

A dozen or so members made the slightly grey announcement that they will buy the game and the remove the DRM, and those are only the ones who still plan to pay EA. What are the chances that pirates won't be able to bypass this?

Modifié par fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb, 16 octobre 2011 - 06:40 .

[Reptillius]

wow... ther is pointless and then there is that youtube video you linked that reaches just a whole other level of fan based obserdity. and I'm not one to bash something often.

[Reptillius]

billy the squid wrote...

Janus Prospero wrote...

I thought EA softened up the EULA because people were complaining so much about it

EA changes Origin EULA

The newest Origin EULA (which went into effect on Wednesday)
specifically addresses some privacy concerns in the section "Consent to
collection and use of data."

According to the current agreement, "EA would never sell your personally
identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or
install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf
do not share information that personally identifies you without your
consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or
to enforce EA's legal rights."

While the wording on collecting information about a user's computer,
operating system, software, and software usage remains mostly intact,
another clause from the agreement no longer appears. That now-omitted
line originally stated, "EA may also use this information combined with
personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products
and services. We may also share that data with our third party service
providers in a form that does not personally identify you." In fact, the
new EULA makes no mention of marketing at all.

The third section in the EULA, "Application communications and
conduct/privacy settings," has also changed considerably. It no longer
includes wording that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications
on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary," nor
does it specify that if users don't agree to EA's collection, they
shouldn't install the application.

Is this really any different than what Steam does? Even Bioware was able to pull player statistics from ME2 for development and marketing reasons.

The new terms didn't really do anything, the inital EULA simply had marketing included within it. The undefined unrestricted access clause remains, and the distribution, portion allows it to be distributed to third parties, but doesn't specify the purpose, which can potentially include marketing, but done via a third party data analyst taken on by EA. There is no definition of what information is sent either. And one has to read the privacy policy which overrides these terms if they conflict.

Whilst Mass effect 2 only identified other software, not its usage, Origins does. In additon Steam's was self restricted to items which interacted with its software only, from what I have read Origin scans the entire DataProgram folder, although I don't really see the point behind it, I think it is very strange in the way it acts.

From a contractual stand point very little changed, from the previous Origin EULA to this one, Steam's is less intrusive, although I don't like that one much either, whilst I don't know if I'll post the process moniter logs from what Steam gets up to, see if I find them. Generally I don't advocate Steam or Origin, I think Steam in this case is simply the lesser of two evils, not exactly a ringing endorsement of Steam, but there we go.

To be fair. Steams also comes with an escape clause for Steam.  so it's a matter of two different and in my opinion equal evils.  Steam's EULA says that the EULA for another maker or specific game that they offer to you can have it's own EULA that can collect stuff or do things with stuff that Steam themselves won't necessarily do.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't on clauses that are in many EULA's today in somewhat non-descript forms and clauses in various ones that people are getting upset over EA about because EA is somehow evil but people seem to be ok when others do it.  They are basically a fact of life in the industry.

And to be fair. Putting the disc in the drive hasn't really worked since time immemorial.  It never really worked. Not even back in the old floppy disk days. All it ever did was give a false sense of security to those not doing anything wrong while it made it easy for those that do. That's why they keep going to the extremes they do and keep upping them.  Those still not doing anything wrong? They are only being punished if they believe everybody else telling them they are being punished for doing the right thing.  Pirates that are rally the problem are always looking for an excuse to Pirate games. The few that do it to try out a game because demo's or the ability to try it out in this day and age are seriously lacking... are somewhat of a minority. The majority is looking to either make or save a fast buck at others expense...

[elitecom]

Reptillius wrote...
And to be fair. Putting the disc in the drive hasn't really worked since time immemorial.  It never really worked. Not even back in the old floppy disk days. All it ever did was give a false sense of security to those not doing anything wrong while it made it easy for those that do. That's why they keep going to the extremes they do and keep upping them.  Those still not doing anything wrong? They are only being punished if they believe everybody else telling them they are being punished for doing the right thing.  Pirates that are rally the problem are always looking for an excuse to Pirate games. The few that do it to try out a game because demo's or the ability to try it out in this day and age are seriously lacking... are somewhat of a minority. The majority is looking to either make or save a fast buck at others expense...

It's always been good enough. You cannot or at least no one has made an impenetrable software application yet, there will always be a way to circumvent whatever security measures you've put into place. All these security measures only makes it more troublesome to play the game. Such as forcing Origin upon the user.

If you want to decrease the amount of people downloading the game without paying for it, you need to do other things, but that's for another discussion.

[Reptillius]

elitecom wrote...

Reptillius wrote...
And to be fair. Putting the disc in the drive hasn't really worked since time immemorial.  It never really worked. Not even back in the old floppy disk days. All it ever did was give a false sense of security to those not doing anything wrong while it made it easy for those that do. That's why they keep going to the extremes they do and keep upping them.  Those still not doing anything wrong? They are only being punished if they believe everybody else telling them they are being punished for doing the right thing.  Pirates that are rally the problem are always looking for an excuse to Pirate games. The few that do it to try out a game because demo's or the ability to try it out in this day and age are seriously lacking... are somewhat of a minority. The majority is looking to either make or save a fast buck at others expense...

It's always been good enough. You cannot or at least no one has made an impenetrable software application yet, there will always be a way to circumvent whatever security measures you've put into place. All these security measures only makes it more troublesome to play the game. Such as forcing Origin upon the user.

If you want to decrease the amount of people downloading the game without paying for it, you need to do other things, but that's for another discussion.

By the same account. Loading origin is only more troublesome for you if you make it as such.  if your not doing anything wrong then you really don't have anything to fear even from the percieved threats of the EA EULA put on Origin which is over ridden by the TOS on certain aspects from the same company which do in fact limit those things quite a bit.  And one day. somebody is going to basically make one that is for the most part impenetrable. That's why they keep upping the ante.  Even if it becomes a matter of it's just simply too much effort for most to ever try.

I'll play Mass Effect 3 Either Way. I don't really fear EA's approach at this point. If I did I'd have to stop playing blizzards Games, as well as some of the others on top of that.  They don't even inconvenience me. i jsut keep aware of what I am agreeing to.  Many of which are actually allowed to change completely without notice and don't have to be in the favor of the consumer at all.

Modifié par Reptillius, 16 octobre 2011 - 07:45 .

[elitecom]

Reptillius wrote...
By the same account. Loading origin is only more troublesome for you if you make it as such.  if your not doing anything wrong then you really don't have anything to fear even from the percieved threats of the EA EULA put on Origin which is over ridden by the TOS on certain aspects from the same company which do in fact limit those things quite a bit.  And one day. somebody is going to basically make one that is for the most part impenetrable. That's why they keep upping the ante.  Even if it becomes a matter of it's just simply too much effort for most to ever try.

I'd have nothing to fear from the scanning, I still dislike it and it's one of the reasons I don't want Origin. However since so many other programs do the same, it's not much to do about it. It's also about being forced to use Origin to play the game. If EA's authentication servers were to be taken down one day, and you want to instal and play ME3 again, then one better hope that EA has released some kind of patch to make ME3 independent of this authenticaion system.
This Origin dependency is nothing but a thorn in the eye, I wish EA had learned from ME1 that the general population of gamers don't want such an authentication system and that ME2 nailed it perfectly.

[Reptillius]

elitecom wrote...

Reptillius wrote...
By the same account. Loading origin is only more troublesome for you if you make it as such.  if your not doing anything wrong then you really don't have anything to fear even from the percieved threats of the EA EULA put on Origin which is over ridden by the TOS on certain aspects from the same company which do in fact limit those things quite a bit.  And one day. somebody is going to basically make one that is for the most part impenetrable. That's why they keep upping the ante.  Even if it becomes a matter of it's just simply too much effort for most to ever try.

I'd have nothing to fear from the scanning, I still dislike it and it's one of the reasons I don't want Origin. However since so many other programs do the same, it's not much to do about it. It's also about being forced to use Origin to play the game. If EA's authentication servers were to be taken down one day, and you want to instal and play ME3 again, then one better hope that EA has released some kind of patch to make ME3 independent of this authenticaion system.
This Origin dependency is nothing but a thorn in the eye, I wish EA had learned from ME1 that the general population of gamers don't want such an authentication system and that ME2 nailed it perfectly.

What your argueing here with the dependancy to authentication servers causes me to point out that it's standard practice in the industry to do a final patch which the games tend to look for themselves to shut off the authentication needs.  Some even stop requiring disk Authentications... I point to what they did to NWN as one example of this standard practice. but there are plenty of others as well.

[Dreadcall]

Reptillius wrote...

That's why they keep upping the ante.  Even if it becomes a matter of it's just simply too much effort for most to ever try.

That won't be happening any time soon. This just isn't how piracy works. There are some small groups that actually do all the actual cracking, and the vast majority just downloads it with detailed instructions on how to make it work. 

The best they could do to inconvinience pirates this way is probably hide drm related stuff in large data files to make it so they have to overwrite very large files. Though that would likely decrease piracy mostly by those people who don't buy the games because they can't afford it, and don't have broadband connections.

To be honest, requiring any conditons to be met for playing doesn't work as long as the game files can be altered to fool the game into thinking they are met. And yes, that includes having to be online to play.

As long as people can modify and overwrite the game files it will never become a serious inconvinience for the pirating masses. 

Modifié par Dreadcall, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[Dreadcall]

oops, dp, sry

Modifié par Dreadcall, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .