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[sedrikhcain]

Interesting to hear these comments about Steam. I've never had an issue with that service, per se, and I have a lot of games on it. half life 2 was bugged for me on Steam, so that my save files past a certain point in the game were all corrupted so that they opened to the same unplayable, bugged save. That could just be problem with HL2, not Steam, though.

[Bogsnot1]

RiouHotaru wrote...
So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

A combination of rampant fanboism (Steam has chat, its gotta be cool), blissful ignorance (didnt read or understand EULA), or just a case of dilligaf.

RiouHotaru wrote...
Does BF3 require that Origin actually be RUNNING to play it?  Or simply that Origin be installed?

I think I requires it to be running for MP mode. Not 100% though.

[marstor05]

ah steam......just had to set up due to skyrim, and it just kicks me out of the game randomly. pile of ****e. origin tried installing when using dead space - no f....ing way.

[Fredvdp]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I think I requires it to be running for MP mode. Not 100% though.

True. If you go directly to Battlelog without starting Origin and then join a server, Origin starts automatically. I think there's a workaround to get the SP to work without Origin, but the campaign is pretty ****.

[Mister Mida]

Yeah it hurts that I have to chain myself to Steam if I want to play Skyrim on the platform that it should be played on, but I never was a big TES fan so I can go without it. Steam, Origin, all the same to me.

[MarauderESP]

Mister Mida wrote...

Yeah it hurts that I have to chain myself to Steam if I want to play Skyrim on the platform that it should be played on, but I never was a big TES fan so I can go without it. Steam, Origin, all the same to me.

that is what is preventing me from buying it (for PC), well ill have to wait til ps3 gotty go out to get it....

[Embrosil]

marstor05 wrote...

ah steam......just had to set up due to skyrim, and it just kicks me out of the game randomly. pile of ****e. origin tried installing when using dead space - no f....ing way.

Umm, what does a crappy programing of Skyrim causing it to crash have anything to do with Steam?

[Embrosil]

Mister Mida wrote...

Yeah it hurts that I have to chain myself to Steam if I want to play Skyrim on the platform that it should be played on, but I never was a big TES fan so I can go without it. Steam, Origin, all the same to me.

Please do not forget that it is not Valve's/Steam choice, but it is always the choice of the distributor. For Skyrim it is the Bethesda's choice to use Steam.

Moreover I have a different problem. I wanted to buy Skyrim on Steam, but because of Cenega/1C forced Bethesda, Skyrim can not be bought in the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Poland via Steam. And I really do not see any reason to buy a physical copy, which will require Steam anyway,  to pay postage and to wait till the postman delivers it to me when I could use Steam, buy the game and download it in 30 minutes.

Modifié par Embrosil, 15 novembre 2011 - 11:43 .

[DownyTif]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The longer this goes on without answer, the more deafening the silence becomes.

Due to the lack of answers, this is now my checklist for dealing with Origin.
Parrot: Check
Pegleg: Check
Black Flag: Check
Rum: Check

I'll still buy the game, but I'll be buggered with a barnacled mast before I allow Origin onto my system.

haha, nice one. Aye Aye Captain, I'm on your ship!

Modifié par DownyTif, 15 novembre 2011 - 03:46 .

[Mister Mida]

Embrosil wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Yeah it hurts that I have to chain myself to Steam if I want to play Skyrim on the platform that it should be played on, but I never was a big TES fan so I can go without it. Steam, Origin, all the same to me.

Please do not forget that it is not Valve's/Steam choice, but it is always the choice of the distributor. For Skyrim it is the Bethesda's choice to use Steam.

Please do also not forget that it was Valve's/Steam's choice to make this available to other publishers.

[Sebbe1337o]

DownyTif wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The longer this goes on without answer, the more deafening the silence becomes.

Due to the lack of answers, this is now my checklist for dealing with Origin.
Parrot: Check
Pegleg: Check
Black Flag: Check
Rum: Check

I'll still buy the game, but I'll be buggered with a barnacled mast before I allow Origin onto my system.

haha, nice one. Aye Aye Captain, I'm on your ship!

Me too. I hope they crack ME3 quickly so I don't have to install Origin. I probably won't be able to play multiplayer, but DILLIGAF.

[N0-Future]

Origin
... the silence from EA is deafening

[SalsaDMA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

Back when I played World of Warcraft, I never heard of any incidents like that. Blizzard understood the requirement to keep forum bans and game access seperate. Why is so hard for EA to understand?

[Travie]

SalsaDMA wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

Back when I played World of Warcraft, I never heard of any incidents like that. Blizzard understood the requirement to keep forum bans and game access seperate. Why is so hard for EA to understand?

The thought of losing my entire--60+ game--steam account just because of something I said on the forums...

Yikes.

One more reason to not buy any games directly for origin.

[DownyTif]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

DownyTif wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

The longer this goes on without answer, the more deafening the silence becomes.

Due to the lack of answers, this is now my checklist for dealing with Origin.
Parrot: Check
Pegleg: Check
Black Flag: Check
Rum: Check

I'll still buy the game, but I'll be buggered with a barnacled mast before I allow Origin onto my system.

haha, nice one. Aye Aye Captain, I'm on your ship!

Me too. I hope they crack ME3 quickly so I don't have to install Origin. I probably won't be able to play multiplayer, but DILLIGAF.

Actually, I differ from the quote, I won't buy ME3 if there is Origin involved. Even if cracked. I want my message to pass, so I'll keep my money and enjoy life

[Killjoy Cutter]

The only way to send a message to EA is to not buy their products.

[Sebbe1337o]

SalsaDMA wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

Back when I played World of Warcraft, I never heard of any incidents like that. Blizzard understood the requirement to keep forum bans and game access seperate. Why is so hard for EA to understand?

EA has a lot to learn from Blizzard. One thing is that it's better to make games good every time (at the cost of more required time to make them: DA2, I'm looking at you).

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The only way to send a message to EA is to not buy their products.

This^

Modifié par Sebbe1337o, 15 novembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[Alex_SM]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Except that Steam can do the exact same thing.  If your account is suspended for ANY reason, you lose access to ALL your games.  Now, Steam Forum accounts are separate from Steam Client Accounts, but it's not a far cry to say that people at Steam could easily find out what client account a forum account uses and suspend you.  In fact I'm certain there's nothing stopping them from doing so.

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

It has never happened. But with EA it has already happened. That's a difference. 

Also Steam has never been caught looking for files outside it's own folder. 

[Bostur]

Panzersmith5 wrote...

I wrote a thread about it just a little while ago, and they locked it right away it was this article that worried me, although, I was still worried back from Dragon Age 2 when this happened and nothing would come of it:
http://www.rockpaper...ffecting-games/

Its very worrying to me and I'm wondering if now I shouldn't bother, as much as I love Mass Effect, I don't want my money to be wasted. I don't plan on posting disruptivly, but already, I open a topic and it gets locked right away when I wasn't being disruptive, it makes me wonder, how quickly I can be banned without worrying about it...

They did say in that thread that origin accounts and EA accounts are different and that one ban will not ban you on the other, however- and I don't blame them for not knowing, and I do not accuse them of willful misinformation, because it is EA's business and not Bioware- this is false. A ban on the forums does ban you from your origin account, it has already happened to several people on Battlefield 3 and Dragon Age 2 (On dragon age 2 it was said to be a mistake, however, this was proven not to be the case as 8 months later this "mistake" is still happening).

I guess I won't talk about it anymore... I don't want to lose the games I already have

I don't like what I see in that article, but it's not unexpected at all. The license agreement of Origin seen in the context of recent EA policies, suggests that they like to stay in control of the games they sell. For me that is completely unacceptable as a buyer, I can just hope EA will get enough competition that this doesn't become an industry standard.

[SalsaDMA]

Bostur wrote...

Panzersmith5 wrote...

I wrote a thread about it just a little while ago, and they locked it right away it was this article that worried me, although, I was still worried back from Dragon Age 2 when this happened and nothing would come of it:
http://www.rockpaper...ffecting-games/

Its very worrying to me and I'm wondering if now I shouldn't bother, as much as I love Mass Effect, I don't want my money to be wasted. I don't plan on posting disruptivly, but already, I open a topic and it gets locked right away when I wasn't being disruptive, it makes me wonder, how quickly I can be banned without worrying about it...

They did say in that thread that origin accounts and EA accounts are different and that one ban will not ban you on the other, however- and I don't blame them for not knowing, and I do not accuse them of willful misinformation, because it is EA's business and not Bioware- this is false. A ban on the forums does ban you from your origin account, it has already happened to several people on Battlefield 3 and Dragon Age 2 (On dragon age 2 it was said to be a mistake, however, this was proven not to be the case as 8 months later this "mistake" is still happening).

I guess I won't talk about it anymore... I don't want to lose the games I already have

I don't like what I see in that article, but it's not unexpected at all. The license agreement of Origin seen in the context of recent EA policies, suggests that they like to stay in control of the games they sell. For me that is completely unacceptable as a buyer, I can just hope EA will get enough competition that this doesn't become an industry standard.

It certainly does give off an unhealthy air of "watch what you are saying, or else..." implicit threat hanging in the air at all times.

Bullying customers through implied threats should never be seen as acceptable. <_<

[cihimi]

YAWN

[Killjoy Cutter]

http://www.reddit.co...oycotting_will/

Update: It appears that EA has responded, at least passively, by updating their EULA. Read about it here:
http://www.reddit.co..._new_reason_to/ http://www.gamespot....ges-origin-eula
It looks pretty good. Although we don't know if they'll include an opt-out feature, it does appear that they changed the EULA to reassure that they won't be spying on literally anything on your computer.
As "junkmanuk" says in the above linked thread:

It [the outrage] has demonstrated that when the voice is loud enough, change can be made. There were some very ambiguous terms in that EULA which have been improved. EA have demonstrated some maturity about the complaints which is a GOOD thing.

Original Post:


As many of you already know, EA's Origin digital distribution system will be doing such nasty invasion-of-privacy things as snooping around your hard drive and observing what you do on your computer all day (Edit: Read the links above for the updated EULA - EA has since updated it thanks to all of your help writing your concerns to EA!). EA Origin is required in all copies (even hard copies) of games such as Battlefield 3.
From those of you who are aware of this and don't like it, I've seen mentions of "voting with your wallet" or "boycotting".
Even if our numbers are in the thousands, or even tens of thousands, a boycott will most likely be all but unnoticeable to EA (and DICE in the case of BF3). I've committed in boycotts of highly anticipated games before, and to this day, years after, I still have not bought these games. Did it work? Not even slightly. The games sold better than ever.
If you really want to make a difference and protest EA Origin's blatant invasion of privacy, voting with your wallet will only prove to EA that they can still take advantage of the remaining 90% of uninformed consumers who don't know the first thing of Origin's privacy issues.
So what's the solution, then?
Raise awareness of Origin's privacy violation. I cannot emphasize enough how important this is. Raising awareness of this issue would be 100x more effective than a silent 1% "voting with their wallets".
Contact EA. Send them an email. Better yet, send them a physical letter. Contact gaming sites, tell them about your concerns and that you extremely disapprove of this privacy violation. With enough flow of such letters, we might be able to make a change.
P.S. Let's try not to use cookie-cutter copy'n'paste emails. Even a one-liner email would be great, certainly better than spamming them with the same thing over and over. It's the thought that counts anyway
This is not a link post, because I don't want karma. I want people to understand how important it is to communicate your dissatisfaction of EA's Origin privacy violation to people who matter (Gaming sites, etc.) Also, if I left out any important credit or links on this issue, let me know and I will add them.


Edit: Here is various contact info for EA, thanks to reddit user "postfish":

Electronic Arts
209 Redwood Shores Parkway
Redwood City, CA 94065. USA.

Electronic Arts Inc.
5510 Lincoln Blvd # 100
Playa Vista, CA 90094-2035

Phone: 650-628-1500 Fax: 650-628-1422

And here are some EA public relations email addresses, courtesy of an anonymous redditor:

UK:
General enquires Chloe Lara PR Co-Ordinator contactUKPR@ea.com 01483 463352
EA SPORTS Keith Hennessey Publicist khennessey@ea.com 01483 463783
The Sims Gem Woolnough Publicist gwoolnough@ea.com 01483 463925
Games Tom Goldberger Publicist tgoldberger@ea.com 01483 463485
Bryony Benoy Publicist bbenoy@ea.com 014834 63271
Sophie Orlando PR Manager sorlando@ea.com 01483 463342
Shaun White Head of PR swhite@europe.ea.com
US:
Lauren Svensson PR Coordinator, EA Play lsvensson@ea.com
Melissa Ojeda Coordinator, EA Games mojeda@ea.com
Honey Hamilton Publicist, Pogo.com hhamilton@ea.com
Angie Newman Manager, The Sims anewman@ea.com
Jen Riley PR Manager, EA SPORTS: Fight Night, NHL, NBA LIVE, FIFA Soccer, Tennis, EA SPORTS Active, NCAA Basketball jriley@ea.com
Rob Semsey Sr. PR Manager, EA SPORTS: Madden, Tiger Woods PGA Tour, NCAA Football, Nascar rsemsey@ea.com
Wendy Spander Sr. PR Manager, Events and Media, Corporate Communications wspander@ea.com
Greg Gervin PR Coordinator, Corporate Communications ggervin@ea.com
Cyndi Lum Senior Publicist clum@ea.com
Nicole Morrison PR Coordinator nmorrison@ea.com

Edit: As suggested by "tVGgoZynvlqYb", don't forget also, if you really want to have your concerns read and not skimmed over, writing and sending them a physical letter may be even better\\

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 15 novembre 2011 - 07:55 .

[OperativeX]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Bostur wrote...

Panzersmith5 wrote...

I wrote a thread about it just a little while ago, and they locked it right away it was this article that worried me, although, I was still worried back from Dragon Age 2 when this happened and nothing would come of it:
http://www.rockpaper...ffecting-games/

Its very worrying to me and I'm wondering if now I shouldn't bother, as much as I love Mass Effect, I don't want my money to be wasted. I don't plan on posting disruptivly, but already, I open a topic and it gets locked right away when I wasn't being disruptive, it makes me wonder, how quickly I can be banned without worrying about it...

They did say in that thread that origin accounts and EA accounts are different and that one ban will not ban you on the other, however- and I don't blame them for not knowing, and I do not accuse them of willful misinformation, because it is EA's business and not Bioware- this is false. A ban on the forums does ban you from your origin account, it has already happened to several people on Battlefield 3 and Dragon Age 2 (On dragon age 2 it was said to be a mistake, however, this was proven not to be the case as 8 months later this "mistake" is still happening).

I guess I won't talk about it anymore... I don't want to lose the games I already have

I don't like what I see in that article, but it's not unexpected at all. The license agreement of Origin seen in the context of recent EA policies, suggests that they like to stay in control of the games they sell. For me that is completely unacceptable as a buyer, I can just hope EA will get enough competition that this doesn't become an industry standard.

It certainly does give off an unhealthy air of "watch what you are saying, or else..." implicit threat hanging in the air at all times.

Bullying customers through implied threats should never be seen as acceptable. <_<

I actually got banned 3 times on the EA Battlefield 2142 forums for asking questions about DRM and Origin. They said i was encouraging Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD). Each time they wouldn't give me an answer of any sort and just banned me. Good thing i own a DVD version of that game and never used my BF2142 account name to post in forums there.

They are very Gastapo-like in the EA forums.

Modifié par OperativeX, 15 novembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[elitecom]

OperativeX wrote...
I actually got banned 3 times on the EA Battlefield 2142 forums for asking questions about DRM and Origin. They said i was encouraging Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD). Each time they wouldn't give me an answer of any sort and just banned me. Good thing i own a DVD version of that game and never used my BF2142 account name to post in forums there.

They are very Gastapo-like in the EA forums.

Really, what's your username from the BF2142 forums? Is it the same one as you use here?

I know of a lot of cases from the BF2142 forum in particular when users have been banned and then haven't been able to play their games. Although those times weren't as innocent as asking about Origin, it's nevertheless harsh that you should loose your ability to play your game just because you got banned on the boards.

[Alex_SM]

A change in the EULA means nothing unless they change the client too.