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[CenturyCrow]

Alex_SM wrote...

A change in the EULA means nothing unless they change the client too.

Yes. EA, SONY and others, change their EULAs more frequently than some people change underwear. 

[OperativeX]

elitecom wrote...

OperativeX wrote...
I actually got banned 3 times on the EA Battlefield 2142 forums for asking questions about DRM and Origin. They said i was encouraging Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD). Each time they wouldn't give me an answer of any sort and just banned me. Good thing i own a DVD version of that game and never used my BF2142 account name to post in forums there.

They are very Gastapo-like in the EA forums.

Really, what's your username from the BF2142 forums? Is it the same one as you use here?

I know of a lot of cases from the BF2142 forum in particular when users have been banned and then haven't been able to play their games. Although those times weren't as innocent as asking about Origin, it's nevertheless harsh that you should loose your ability to play your game just because you got banned on the boards.

No no i'm saying i didn't get banned from the game coz i created a seperate account to post on the EA forums. Only the forum account got banned for asking about Origin's DRM. I used a different email address for the account attached to BF2142. I'm so glad i did too

[Abirn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

So why doesn't anyone cry foul at Steam?

Well I think it's a case of "in the seven years that steam has been running Valve has NEVER banned a steam account due to the actions of a user in their forums".  However in the past 8 or so months EA has banned a fair few people from their legally purchased games because of forum violations.

If you think that the situation with steam is anything like the situation with EA then you are greatly misinformed.

Well, then it's the case that EA has forum accounts being the same as game accounts.  I know more than a few MMO companies who do that as well.  It's not a horrible business practice.

Actually it is a horrible business practice.  I really would like to hear your justification for banning somebody for saying bad things on a forum from playing the actual game.  You cannot, there is literally no defense for that. 

[Eradyn]

If there's one thing that will drive people toward software piracy faster than hell hounds nipping at their heels, it's EA reaming their legal customers over a barrel with draconian practices like this. Boils my blood just reading that link where EA stripped game access from people for forum activity (and often for behavior not questionable in any reasonable capacity). It's like they're begging people to strike back at them in the worst possible way. I don't understand this suicidal, ego-maniacal behavior on EA's part. I truly do not.

Meanwhile, still waiting for news on Origin (and I needed to repost anyway so this thread would remain in my history).

[lucidfox]

Well, congratulations, EAware. You alienated a loyal buyer with this Origin mess.

I paid for ME1 on Steam. I paid for ME2 on Steam. I paid for KOTOR and Dragon Age on Steam. I would have paid for Dragon Age II on Steam had they not pulled it. So I bought a retail copy instead.

ME3? Meh, I'm just going to pirate it.

[Metalrocks]

looks like nothing has changed so far.
i still will not get the game as long spyware is require for the SP.

[MarauderESP]

uhmmm this is something realy similar to Origin EULA

Privacy-invasive software

Definition

    “     Privacy-invasive software is a category of software that ignores users’ right to be left alone and that is distributed with a specific intent, often of a commercial nature, which negatively affect[s] its users. ”

In this context, ignoring users’ right to be left alone means that the software is unsolicited and that it does not permit users to determine for themselves when, how and to what extent personally identifiable data is gathered, stored or processed by the software. Distributed means that it has entered the computer systems of users from (often unknown) servers placed on the Internet infrastructure. Often of a commercial nature means that the software (regardless of type or quality) is used as a tool in some sort of a commercial plan to gain revenues.

is a kind of spyware , heres the link

i still dont understand the need of Origin for a retail copy of the game even for only activating it.....

[SalsaDMA]

MarauderESP wrote...

i still dont understand the need of Origin for a retail copy of the game even for only activating it.....

The need is the same as any other Trojan. It need something to attach to which the target (in this case gamers) would find desirable to install, thus securing the infliction of the trojan as well.

The difference between Origin and "normal" trojans is that the trojan normally tries to hide itself, rather than splash itself all over the screen to make you aware of it.

[TheRealJayDee]

SalsaDMA wrote...

The difference between Origin and "normal" trojans is that the trojan normally tries to hide itself, rather than splash itself all over the screen to make you aware of it.

Also you usually don't pay for a "normal" trojan.

[SalsaDMA]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The difference between Origin and "normal" trojans is that the trojan normally tries to hide itself, rather than splash itself all over the screen to make you aware of it.

Also you usually don't pay for a "normal" trojan.

Well technically you don't pay for Origin. You pay for what it is attached to.

[Embrosil]

SalsaDMA wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

The difference between Origin and "normal" trojans is that the trojan normally tries to hide itself, rather than splash itself all over the screen to make you aware of it.

Also you usually don't pay for a "normal" trojan.

Well technically you don't pay for Origin. You pay for what it is attached to.

Yeah, Origin is a kind of bonus, so we all should be happy to get more for our money :-)

[Luvinn]

Embrosil wrote...


Yeah, Origin is a kind of bonus, so we all should be happy to get more for our money :-)

Yea, origin is like AIDS, crabs, herpes, etc. All more than people bargined for.

[lovgreno]

Luvinn wrote...

Embrosil wrote...


Yeah, Origin is a kind of bonus, so we all should be happy to get more for our money :-)

Yea, origin is like AIDS, crabs, herpes, etc. All more than people bargined for.

Well technicaly there is no such thing as free things. Developing Origin required money, that came from the income from games we have already bought. So I'm afraid we have already payed for crabs in this case.

[Element0]

Ok... so fill me in- WHY IS EVERYONE RAGING OVER ORIGIN EXACTLY? What makes Origin the root of all evil that it's portrayed to be in this thread?

[Atakuma]

Element0 wrote...

Ok... so fill me in- WHY IS EVERYONE RAGING OVER ORIGIN EXACTLY? What makes Origin the root of all evil that it's portrayed to be in this thread?

It scans your files, that's about it.

[Element0]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't that just to collect gameplay statistics/data?

[Shammybaby]

Don't trust any program which has the capability of scanning and reporting your registry.

People that advocate for that stuff are the first ones who would become puppies for a Corp after a Sovereign Corporation Act is passed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

It scans your files and your registry, looking for information to send back to EA that can then be sold to other companies.

Personally, I'd like to see a law passed requiring anyone who makes money from information about you to split that income with you 50/50.

[lastpatriot]

Wouldn't something like Zone Alarm detect it trying to scan other files or attempt to send information back to EA?

[cocla]

Element0 wrote...

Ok... so fill me in- WHY IS EVERYONE RAGING OVER ORIGIN EXACTLY? What makes Origin the root of all evil that it's portrayed to be in this thread?

Its a horribly implimented, inefficient, invasive piece of software.  It has terrible customer service, is buggy, and has horrible policy attached to it.  It also scans you system and monitors your activity.  EA also has a horrible track record with this type of thing.

Really, there is NOTHING good about Origin.

As long as Origin and the surrounding problems exist (EA might change it for the better but I doubt it) I wont be buying any EA games.  ME3 will be my last (buying on 360, but after that not even buying 360 EA games.) as I play DA and others on the PC, and I will not stand Origin.

[Killjoy Cutter]

lastpatriot wrote...

Wouldn't something like Zone Alarm detect it trying to scan other files or attempt to send information back to EA?

It should at least detect Origin attempting to access the internet. 

The problem is, if it scans your computer and gathers that info, and Origin has to be allowed to contact EA's servers to "vailidate" the installs of the game and DLC... it can send the gathered info at the same time it's "validating" the install.

[lastpatriot]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

Wouldn't something like Zone Alarm detect it trying to scan other files or attempt to send information back to EA?

It should at least detect Origin attempting to access the internet. 

The problem is, if it scans your computer and gathers that info, and Origin has to be allowed to contact EA's servers to "vailidate" the installs of the game and DLC... it can send the gathered info at the same time it's "validating" the install.

Yeah, that's a good point.  I don't suppose there is a way around that either.

[mcneil_1]

Element0 wrote...

Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't that just to collect gameplay statistics/data?

Yes and No.
It does collect gameplay stats/data (specs of your pc), but it has been proven to scan folders and files which have in no way shape or form relate to gameplay, such are itunes, mobilephone software, accounting related folders etc.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Short answer, it scans the entire computer.

[DarthLaxian]

they are really doing that are they?

i hate bioware going down the same drain WESTWOOD and there Command and Conquer Games went, when they were seduced by the (EA-)money like Bioware seems now...

I really hate it because I loved those RPGs - I might not own the old ones like Icewind Dale etc. but I still got every game since Knights of the Old Republic and so far liked Mass Effect very much (best science fiction role playing game series) and of course loved dragon age (origins and awakening - and even liked DA2 with it being rushed out there looking half finished and being a bit boring story wise, even more as the hero just reacts and is never pro-active!) and now I will not get to buy them any more as i won't let origin on my computer (had it for about an hour, after getting a cheap copy of Dead Space, but after not liking the game all that much (cheap console port that it is!) I got rid of it and will never ever put it on my computer (or any future computers) again - except, if i can lock it in somehow as no one is snooping around my hard-drive!)

As for EA banning people for speaking up? - They call that fair business?...well, I don't, thankfully I am a member of the German Pirates-Pary (no we are not a party of game-copying freaks, but we do talk about media and companies) and we might get into parliament in the next election, so EA might hear from us (same for Ubisoft and maybe even Steam - also the later is not that intrusive and can be put into OFFLINE-Mode!)

so with regret to bioware, i will leave it at that

greetings LAX
ps: i might consider buying the game (to finish the awesome series) and then getting a "pirate" version without origin (thus i will not feel bad about not having given the developers their money)

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 17 novembre 2011 - 12:50 .