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[OperativeX]

Buying the game then using a pirate copy to play without Origin seems like a good idea. But if we do that then EA get the money and they will also keep thinking they're decisions were the right ones. That is a very BAD outcome.

They need to stop punishing their customers and give them the choice of spyware/DRM/Digital version or DVD that doesn't require Origin but does require a game key and the DVD to be in the drive to play it.

Choice matters. It can make a company rich and well-liked or the lack of choice can make it crumble by being dispised by the masses. People just gotta stay strong and not buy the game until EA caves.

If we cave, they'll just keep slapping us around. Bullies need to be taught a lesson guys or they don't stop bullying.

Listen to what people are saying EA/Bioware - we WANT to buy this game. Please don't ruin it for us by forcing Origin down our throats. Origin/Steam/DVD with game key and disc-in-drive. Suit all ur customers choices and everyone of them will buy.

You'll always get some pirates but this franchise is so well-liked that sales will be through the roof and the pirates will seem insignificant when ur laughing all the way to the bank. Make the right choice - give us options.

Modifié par OperativeX, 17 novembre 2011 - 02:40 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

If EA sees a significantly larger number of copies sell than are "vallidated" via Origins / than new Origin installs report back to headquarters, I expect that instead of seeing this as the rejection of Origin by the customers (which it is), they will see it as an indicator that they must try even harder to fight "pirates".

[Element0]

hmm... does seem a bit sketchy... btw, does anyone know if they're planning on making ME3 Origin exclusive, or are we ever going to see it on Steam?

[Ghost-621]

OperativeX wrote...

Buying the game then using a pirate copy to play without Origin seems like a good idea. But if we do that then EA get the money and they will also keep thinking they're decisions were the right ones. That is a very BAD outcome.

They need to stop punishing their customers and give them the choice of spyware/DRM/Digital version or DVD that doesn't require Origin but does require a game key and the DVD to be in the drive to play it.

Choice matters. It can make a company rich and well-liked or the lack of choice can make it crumble by being dispised by the masses. People just gotta stay strong and not buy the game until EA caves.

If we cave, they'll just keep slapping us around. Bullies need to be taught a lesson guys or they don't stop bullying.

Listen to what people are saying EA/Bioware - we WANT to buy this game. Please don't ruin it for us by forcing Origin down our throats. Origin/Steam/DVD with game key and disc-in-drive. Suit all ur customers choices and everyone of them will buy.

You'll always get some pirates but this franchise is so well-liked that sales will be through the roof and the pirates will seem insignificant when ur laughing all the way to the bank. Make the right choice - give us options.

1) They know what they're doing. Datamining. Datamining very private information. It's wrong in every sort of the action. EA, ****** off.

2) In case you were wondering why Battlefield 3 was one-starred into oblivion, Origin. Origin. Origin. Nobody wants this piece of crap browser-based spyware DRM to play a game that they bought.

3) EA doesn't care about morality. Only profit. See #1.

[Element0]

 just a quick thought- couldn't you technically set your security suite's firewall to block Origin's access to the internet? You could install ME3, have Origin running, but Origin couldn't report a damn thing back to EA. See where I'm going with this? 

[Bogsnot1]

Element0 wrote...

hmm... does seem a bit sketchy... btw, does anyone know if they're planning on making ME3 Origin exclusive, or are we ever going to see it on Steam?

Cant say for sure about the normal version, but at this stage the digital distribution of the Collectors/Digital Deluxe Edition seems to be Origin exclusive.

This is one instance in which I'm glad Australia gets it a few days after the US. It means theres a few day in which those who sail under the Jolly Roger can work on removing the spyware before I fork out my hard earned cash for it.
Buy legit to support the devs, use cracked version to support privacy. This way, only the actual criminals (EA) suffer.

[didymos1120]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

Element0 wrote...

 just a quick thought- couldn't you technically set your security suite's firewall to block Origin's access to the internet? You could install ME3, have Origin running, but Origin couldn't report a damn thing back to EA. See where I'm going with this? 

Ah , Yes. Well played 

Not well played if you actually want to activate your game and play it.

[DarthLaxian]

not only activate it - they might put it into the game that you have to be connected while playing! (so not just register and be done with origin)

sorry, but they seem to be going all the way!

greets LAX

[Bogsnot1]

DarthLaxian wrote...

not only activate it - they might put it into the game that you have to be connected while playing! (so not just register and be done with origin)

sorry, but they seem to be going all the way!

greets LAX

Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

It speaks volumes that I would rather trust some dodgy third party patch coming out of Russia or China to remove the Origin requirements, than I trust EA's Origin software.

[CenturyCrow]

Since I played ME and ME2 on the PC, shifting to the Playstation isn't a way of avoiding Origin for me.

So far I don't see a simple solution; in part not enough information about Origin. I've seen various people say they've been able to sandbox Origin and only allow it to send game info. I've seen a few comment that sandboxing doesn't work. On the positive side, there's several months to see if effective solutions are found. 

One salient thing--as far as I can tell or know so far is that circumventing Origin is not circumventing DRM-- i.e. it's purpose is not stated in the TOS/EULA as DRM. But nothing to stop EA from altering the TOS or Origin or even the game program code itself.

If I feel like I'm forced into an extreme choice on this, it won't be illegal. It will be simple--stop buying EA products. I'm interested in gaming, but not all the hassles that seem to be attached to it like data mining, DRM problems, etc. Cancelled my Playstation account last year and haven't purchased a SONY product since.

Modifié par CenturyCrow, 17 novembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[xCirdanx]

Bogsnot1 wrote...
Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

It speaks volumes that I would rather trust some dodgy third party patch coming out of Russia or China to remove the Origin requirements, than I trust EA's Origin software.

I hear you and i´m with you.

Besides, whats the point in buying the game, if you have to work around origin anyways? Why not buy the game and just download it? "Normal" piracy has NEVER been a problem for them so why should they care now? They know (or believe to know) that they will make more money with origin. Despite the fact that pretty much every (wannabe) analyst says no, this is no option and defintely no competition to Steam. And they have no ****ing right to tell me when i want to sell a game or not, and knowing that, they come along with something like the "online pass"...good idea, that definitely will bring in more customers.../sarcasm.

And if they really think they can stop 2nd hand sales, they are even more dumb then some of the people here defending that system. This does nothing against piracy, nothing against 2nd hand sales, but it WILL check for your games and programms, and name and who knows what else.

And all of that, is not their business.

I say no to Origin, and if that is needed to play ME3, well then you lose money. The only sad thing about this is, that Bioware has no saying in this. I don´t believe for one moment that they have anything to say when it comes to this.  

Why? Because EA owns them. "but NO EA doesn´t own them and Ray and Greg say they are working like in the past" well yes they say that, but they GET their money from EA. THis was no partnership THIS was a buyout:

http://www.gamespot....ic-for--6180818

You can find more of this all over the net. it´s not a secret. They have been bought. So no big deal here.

It´s not like we can change that. And far all it is worth i ALWAYS had so much respect and adoration for Bioware, that it took a half baked Addon with more technical problems i ever had in ANY game, a full game that couldn´t stand a second review without falling on it´s face. And streamlining that made almost every RPG fan cry in favor for the dumb shooter audience (no i´m not saying you are all dumb don´t worry), and so many rip-offs in DLC...(which i gladly didn´t pay for) that i just can´t trust them anymore.

(And if anyone tries to bring up the argument "Bah you are just bashing EA" ..take a lesson in gaming history.)

The people i adore so much may be the same, but the product isn´t. And if Origin is part of that, then i have the first game from YOU guys that is not an original, whatever that means.  

[Lumikki]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

We aren't mixing them. 

It doesn't mean just activation to Origin account one time, it means activation to Origin account by using Origin client one time too. That means forceful acception of Origin client other features too. That means forceful acception of data mining, because you can't PLAY the game if you don't accept Origin client software license.

Problem is NOT activation of game license to Origin account. Problem is that to do that, we ALSO need to accept Origin client software license.

Modifié par Lumikki, 17 novembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[Kusy]

This is 100% true. Origins connects straight to Satan and sends your internal organs to him. Then it seduces your daughthers and sells them to Italian work camps and Berlin brothels. I won't even mention that it sells crack to children and is the main reason people in Etiopia are hungry. I also heard it spreads AIDS, but that's just a rumor.

[MarauderESP]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

This is 100% true. Origins connects straight to Satan and sends your internal organs to him. Then it seduces your daughthers and sells them to Italian work camps and Berlin brothels. I won't even mention that it sells crack to children and is the main reason people in Etiopia are hungry. I also heard it spreads AIDS, but that's just a rumor.

ok i will add this to those others things that the program acrually do... thanks for the advice

[N0-Future]

There is no way that ( Origin ) piece of crap is going anywhere near my PC...

Modifié par N0-Future, 17 novembre 2011 - 10:53 .

[N0-Future]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

DarthLaxian wrote...

not only activate it - they might put it into the game that you have to be connected while playing! (so not just register and be done with origin)

sorry, but they seem to be going all the way!

greets LAX

Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

It speaks volumes that I would rather trust some dodgy third party patch coming out of Russia or China to remove the Origin requirements, than I trust EA's Origin software.

I agree mate

[Bogsnot1]

Lumikki wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

We aren't mixing them. 

It doesn't mean just activation to Origin account one time, it means activation to Origin account by using Origin client one time too. That means forceful acception of Origin client other features too. That means forceful acception of data mining, because you can't PLAY the game if you don't accept Origin client software license.

Problem is NOT activation of game license to Origin account. Problem is that to do that, we ALSO need to accept Origin client software license.

The poster I was replying to was under the impression that you would need to have Origin installed, and be in use, for the period of time you had ME3 installed on your system for. I clarified that you didnt have to.

Because of the same names, people ARE confusing them, as I have had to make this clarifying point numerous times in this thread.
I get it, you know the difference. Dont tell me that everyone does when it is obvious that other people are getting confused.

[elitecom]

OperativeX wrote...
No no i'm saying i didn't get banned from the game coz i created a seperate account to post on the EA forums. Only the forum account got banned for asking about Origin's DRM. I used a different email address for the account attached to BF2142. I'm so glad i did too

I'm well aware of what you wrote, I'm just saying that I've known of several cases where some people have been unable to play BF2142 because they got their forum account banned.

[RiouHotaru]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Once again, people are getting confused between Origin (software) and Origin (account).
So far, dev responses via tweets have not only indicated that once installed, you can uninstall Origin (software), but also the game will require a once off activation connection via your Origin account.

Whilst I have no problems with the once off activation connection, I do have problems with allowing Origin on my PC.

We aren't mixing them. 

It doesn't mean just activation to Origin account one time, it means activation to Origin account by using Origin client one time too. That means forceful acception of Origin client other features too. That means forceful acception of data mining, because you can't PLAY the game if you don't accept Origin client software license.

Problem is NOT activation of game license to Origin account. Problem is that to do that, we ALSO need to accept Origin client software license.

The poster I was replying to was under the impression that you would need to have Origin installed, and be in use, for the period of time you had ME3 installed on your system for. I clarified that you didnt have to.

Because of the same names, people ARE confusing them, as I have had to make this clarifying point numerous times in this thread.
I get it, you know the difference. Dont tell me that everyone does when it is obvious that other people are getting confused.

So...why not just install ME3, install Origin for the length of time necessary to install ME3, then remove Origin.  Or just turn it off.  Have we been given any indication that we have to have Origin running in order to play ME3 at all?

I mean, TOR doesn't require Origin at all.  Why do we think ME3 will be different?

[Killjoy Cutter]

It's being reported by those who've tested Origin that it begins scanning your computer before you've even agreed to the EULA. Just installing and running Origin long enough to get ME3 installed will most likely send a full scan result about your comptuer back to EA.

At this point, I don't even want EA to know how much RAM I have installed. Screw them.

[MarauderESP]

^ this, this for forcing €A spyware

[elitecom]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

It's being reported by those who've tested Origin that it begins scanning your computer before you've even agreed to the EULA. Just installing and running Origin long enough to get ME3 installed will most likely send a full scan result about your comptuer back to EA.

At this point, I don't even want EA to know how much RAM I have installed. Screw them.

Great, so they break their own rules, but expect others to follow them? The hypocracy is beyond bounds.

[SalsaDMA]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

This is 100% true. Origins connects straight to Satan and sends your internal organs to him. Then it seduces your daughthers and sells them to Italian work camps and Berlin brothels. I won't even mention that it sells crack to children and is the main reason people in Etiopia are hungry. I also heard it spreads AIDS, but that's just a rumor.

As stipulated by the EULA, EA will come by your house some time next week with a sharp knife to collect your kidney.

You spread an inappropriate comment online and have thus damaged EA beyond monetary compensation for which they seek compensation.

Please assist the gentlemen with their task when they show up, and have a nice day

Edit: This was a joke, btw. For those not catching on... The EULA and what it states isn't a joke, though.

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 17 novembre 2011 - 08:04 .