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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Recreated after the original thread was closed..

http://www.escapistm...tches-you-sleep

This post on Escapist has me a bit worried.

This seems like a huge invasion of privacy. From the comments posted, it sounds like Origin will monitor everything you do on your computer. And it's mandatory if you use Origin at all. You can't turn it off.

I've been waiting impatiently for ME3 and will continue to do so until release, unless they are forcing something like this on us.


EDIT So now it seems Multiplayer is being included. Will this affect whether or not Origin is required to install and play ME3?

As has been discussed in this thread, I have no interest in ever having Origin installed on my PC in its present form.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Last relevant post from CharmingCharlie

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And the question still remains.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

An answer from a Bioware representative would be very much appreciated.




Jesse Houston tweeted that he is preparing a FAQ with regard to how Mass Effect 3 uses Origin. So I get the feeling from that bit of info that Mass Effect 3 will use Origin the question is "to what extent ?". If Origin is required for MP then that is perfectly fine with me since I have no intention of touching the mp. However forcing Origin on me to play the single player component of Mass Effect 3 (even to just install the game) is unacceptable.

Anyway hopefully we will get our answers soon with this FAQ, here is the tweet :-

http://twitter.com/#...534057320624128


Gtez wrote ........

@LittleWorldHere We're still working out the details around Origin. We're releasing a FAQ soon about how we're planning on using it.

Modifié par Shinian2, 12 octobre 2011 - 07:33 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And the question still remains.

Will Origin be required to play ME3?

An answer from a Bioware representative would be very much appreciated.

Jesse Houston tweeted that he is preparing a FAQ with regard to how Mass Effect 3 uses Origin. So I get the feeling from that bit of info that Mass Effect 3 will use Origin the question is "to what extent ?". If Origin is required for MP then that is perfectly fine with me since I have no intention of touching the mp. However forcing Origin on me to play the single player component of Mass Effect 3 (even to just install the game) is unacceptable.

Anyway hopefully we will get our answers soon with this FAQ, here is the tweet :-

http://twitter.com/#...534057320624128

Gtez wrote ........

@LittleWorldHere We're still working out the details around Origin. We're releasing a FAQ soon about how we're planning on using it.

[N0-Future]

Nice, Thx Shinian2, I was wondering why the last thread was closed.

[naughty99]

If Origin is required for multi-player, it seems extremely unlikely that the game would be compartmentalized in such a way that it would use Steamworks for the SP and Origins for the MP, for example.

I believe the game will incorporate an Origin client for retail copies in the same way that retail copies of Steamworks games use a Steam client.

Personally, I don't have any problem with this. The multiplayer sounds like a lot of fun from the way it was described and I already installed Origin in order to get my free copy of ME2 (came as a package with DA2). When you shut down Origin, there aren't residual memory processes going on and if you uninstall Origin there isn't any kind of malicious rootkit behavior.

[N0-Future]

Looks like yes check this..
Found in it in the EULA's section for Mass Effect 3

INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

Modifié par N0-Future, 13 octobre 2011 - 07:18 .

[xkg]

I am curious now about boxed version. Do you need to install origin to to play SP ?
If so then I'll pass this time. I am not even all that interested in ME3 after playing ME2.

[Jarys]

Jeez. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? There have been enough lawsuits over privacy violations that a company the size of EA would not put itself in a position to end up in the courts due to selling someone's personal information. I actually read the EULA, and it specifically states the the data collected is for internal use only. If you are terrified of limited monitoring, then perhaps the information age is not for you. Do you hide your face every time you enter a public building or public transit? It's all recorded. Did you know your internet provider can monitor every connection you make? Did you know your cellphone company knows every phone number you've called?

I personally hope that Origin is required for ME3, and it likely will be. If you truly enjoy the series (which you do, considering the number of posts you've made on this), then you will play it anyways, especially if the reviews are good (regardless of how much you may protest it now. I've seen hundreds of posts similar to this over the years as different DRM systems are tested). What do you truly have to hide that you would forfeit your personal pleasure (playing a new awesome game, ME3, DAIII, hell, likely everything EA releases from 2012 onwards) for?

EDIT : From the looks of Origin's layout, it may be a similar to a steam clone, in which case the system would need to be on to even launch the game, let alone play it. A good plan, to be perfectly honest, especially if it works on a system similar to DA2 or ME2 in which you can disconnect partway through and it does not throw you out of the game (of course the login would become mandatory instead of optional in the newer games, but the system still stands).

Modifié par Jarys, 13 octobre 2011 - 08:03 .

[naughty99]

xkg wrote...

I am curious now about boxed version. Do you need to install origin to to play SP ?
If so then I'll pass this time. I am not even all that interested in ME3 after playing ME2.

I'm pretty sure installing the retail version of the PC game = installing the Origin client.

Most likely the digital download version will only be available via Origin.

So in either case, to activate the game will require Origin and then the game can be played in Offline mode thereafter.

[FDrage]

naughty99 wrote...


I'm pretty sure installing the retail version of the PC game = installing the Origin client.

Most likely the digital download version will only be available via Origin.

So in either case, to activate the game will require Origin and then the game can be played in Offline mode thereafter.

would think so too. From EA/Biowares perspective it would make no sense otherwise. EA got a few games with real draw potential to get people into using Origin. From that, leave a game as big as ME3 out of it wouldn't make sense. Specifically was the now announced MP part of ME3 it probably would make even less sense.

I don't like it just as much as I don't like Steam, however at the present it is invitable and from an EA perspective it would just not make sense to leave ME out of Origin if it is used for other games.

[Bogsnot1]

 Ive done a lot of dissecting of the T&C's in this thread, as well as comparing them to T&C's of companies and/or products you may already use.

I also made mention of a way to possibly bypass the snooping behaviour in a legal manner. Upon further thought, it may not work as initially planned. Will have to do some investigation to work out some logistics to it.

[v_Zalem]

I for one, like many others have stated in the previous Origin thread, refuse to put up with Origin in any way, shape, or form. I'll support ME3 due to all the time I invested in the series by buying a disc based version of the game, but if I have to take necessary steps to not deal with Origin should it be required(which I hope isn't the case) then I will.

I hear it isn't required at all for SW:TOR, which correct me if I'm wrong, is an online only game? If that's the case then why would it be needed for ME3 (aside from data mining/monitoring/miscellaneous nonsense)? It's been long enough since this question was asked...time to stop dodging the question and give a clear cut answer me thinks. Just my two cents.

[naughty99]

v_Zalem wrote...

I hear it isn't required at all for SW:TOR.

Can you elaborate on this?

At the moment if you want to pre-order SW:TOR, your only options are either via Origin or retail copy (which I assume will include an installer for the Origin client).

[v_Zalem]

naughty99 wrote...

v_Zalem wrote...

I hear it isn't required at all for SW:TOR.

Can you elaborate on this?

At the moment if you want to pre-order SW:TOR, your only options are either via Origin or retail copy (which I assume will include an installer for the Origin client).

http://www.industryg...origin-to-play/

http://www.freefrag....ire-origin.html

http://www.swtor.com...d.php?p=8488436 <-- scroll down to StephenReid's post.

I think that's enough elaboration for you I hope.

Modifié par v_Zalem, 13 octobre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Bogsnot1]

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.
Hopefully EA will hear the outcry over the T&C's, and either change them (and probably try to sneak the original T&Cs back in later), or drop the requirement for ME3.

[v_Zalem]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.
Hopefully EA will hear the outcry over the T&C's, and either change them (and probably try to sneak the original T&Cs back in later), or drop the requirement for ME3.

Indeed my man.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.
Hopefully EA will hear the outcry over the T&C's, and either change them (and probably try to sneak the original T&Cs back in later), or drop the requirement for ME3.

Thanks for looking into that. I sure hope they will back off on it.

[billy the squid]

Shinian2 wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.
Hopefully EA will hear the outcry over the T&C's, and either change them (and probably try to sneak the original T&Cs back in later), or drop the requirement for ME3.

Thanks for looking into that. I sure hope they will back off on it.

I would hope so, but I wouldn't hold my breath, particularly as Origin is EA's own little restricted market. They backed down on the distribution of marketing information because they got caught, but still left an ill defined unrestricted access clause in the contract, which really was part of the issue in contention.

I think there are certain programs that allow you to restrict, Origin access to the ProgramData files and other parts of the system, yet still allow you to run the game, without getting new a HDD etc. I'd rather not take my custom elsewhere as ME and DAO I considered to be good, but if other means are necessary I'll reluctantly have consider it. 

[MarauderESP]

there's a lots ways of baypass origin , and if it's req then ill have to block it again like i did with me2 , i hate to force ppl to use a spy....... program , why do you think they don't add the option to share info? becouse 90% of ppl will use it

[Chaos-fusion]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Hopefully EA will hear the outcry over the T&C's, and either change them (and probably try to sneak the original T&Cs back in later), or drop the requirement for ME3.

I hope so. Except for that sneaking them back in part. Or sneaking in an update that make it even less appealing to me, which is probable.

[MarauderESP]

no news yet?

[Cutlass Jack]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.

However, its worth noting that you still use your Origin Account/password to play SWTOR. (Same one you use to post here)

ME3 will definately require using your Origin account as well. But so did ME2. (Just wasn't called that at the time) Whether they use the Origin App or just do it within game like DA/ME games have in the past is the real question.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 14 octobre 2011 - 04:22 .

[v_Zalem]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

SWTOR, as an MMO, will have its own MP client and sign-in procedure, which will probably be the reason why it doesnt require it.

However, its worth noting that you still use your Origin Account/password to play SWTOR. (Same one you use to post here)

ME3 will definately require using your Origin account as well. But so did ME2. (Just wasn't called that at the time) Whether they use the Origin App or just do it within game like DA/ME games have in the past is the real question.

I sincerely hope that's not the case. Oh how I miss the days of purchasing a game (a complete game from the get go), installing a game, simply playing it without worrying about a retarded client, useless and pointless DRM, etc. I want those days back (pipe dream right?).

Modifié par v_Zalem, 14 octobre 2011 - 05:44 .

[Sister Helen]

I am convinced that the days where you can physically hold a game in your hand are nearing an end. I blame this 'cloud' thing people keep talking about in commercials. I'm not sure what it is, but it is probably something Facebook or Twitter came up with....

Or maybe the Kardasians thought it up? I'm not sure what they are, either, but they seem to be just as omnipresent as this 'cloud' thing.