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[MarauderESP]

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I'm sorry, but you all are a bunch of children. Steam has essentially the same ToS...there's really no reason to NOT download Origin.

People are just butthurt that EA is trying to cut out the middle man and ensure a greater profit share on their properties.

i dont use steam or any other program i preffer to buy in a shop , so now what ?

i still enjoy my privacy , no spyware thanks

[xkg]

Lukertin wrote...
Steam states it will only scan your hardware, your usage of the games played, and your RAM for anti-cheating measures.

Seriously ? I can't cheat in my single player games if I buy them on Steam ?
wow. So Steam is even bigger POS than I thought...

[Epic Legion]

xkg wrote...

Lukertin wrote...
Steam states it will only scan your hardware, your usage of the games played, and your RAM for anti-cheating measures.

Seriously ? I can't cheat in my single player games if I buy them on Steam ?
wow. So Steam is even bigger POS than I thought...

Steam only scans memory for multiplayer games that use Valve Anti-Cheat (and only if you're connected to VAC2 secured server). So please, stop spreading  your lies about fantastic software made by godlike developers.

[xkg]

Epic Legion wrote...

xkg wrote...

Lukertin wrote...
Steam states it will only scan your hardware, your usage of the games played, and your RAM for anti-cheating measures.

Seriously ? I can't cheat in my single player games if I buy them on Steam ?
wow. So Steam is even bigger POS than I thought...

Steam only scans memory for multiplayer games that use Valve Anti-Cheat (and only if you're connected to VAC2 secured server). So please, stop spreading  your lies about fantastic software made by godlike developers.

Are you talking to me ? Because it is hard to spread any lies by asking a question. And that is what I did.

As for my statement about Steam - it is not a lie it is my opinion.
If you still can't get it here it is in details :

steam is a POS == my personal opinion.

Modifié par xkg, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:35 .

[Merci357]

MarauderESP wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I'm sorry, but you all are a bunch of children. Steam has essentially the same ToS...there's really no reason to NOT download Origin.

People are just butthurt that EA is trying to cut out the middle man and ensure a greater profit share on their properties.

i dont use steam or any other program i preffer to buy in a shop , so now what ?

i still enjoy my privacy , no spyware thanks

So what did you do with your retail copy of Fallout: New Vegas or Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Rage or Warhammer: Space Marine? You played none of those. Any upcoming Bethesda (Skyrim, for example), Square/Eidos, THQ, or obviously Valve game... those are all Steamworks games.

Buying games in a shop won't help you much there, you have to face the fact that your games selection is quite slim from now on, if you really want to avoid Steam/Origin.

Modifié par Merci357, 16 octobre 2011 - 09:57 .

[billy the squid]

^ Not really there are ways and means of getting what I want, how I want it. But, i find it irritating that I have to implement extra means to do so, particularly if I choose to pay for it.

Although you are correct that even retail units are packaged with the clients.

[MarauderESP]

Merci357 wrote...

MarauderESP wrote...

DukeOfNukes wrote...

I'm sorry, but you all are a bunch of children. Steam has essentially the same ToS...there's really no reason to NOT download Origin.

People are just butthurt that EA is trying to cut out the middle man and ensure a greater profit share on their properties.

i dont use steam or any other program i preffer to buy in a shop , so now what ?

i still enjoy my privacy , no spyware thanks

So what did you do with your retail copy of Fallout: New Vegas or Deus Ex: Human Revolution? Rage or Warhammer: Space Marine? You played none of those. Any upcoming Bethesda (Skyrim, for example), Square/Eidos, THQ, or obviously Valve game... those are all Steamworks games.

Buying games in a shop won't help you much there, you have to face the fact that your games selection is quite slim from now on, if you really want to avoid Steam/Origin.

errr!!! FNV on ps3 , DXHR on ps3 , RAGE not interested , WSM waiting adrop in price also for ps3 , for the rest there r other methods and if it not for ps3 or alternated methods dont work ill pass , its simple , if me3 force me to install it ill do it on a spare clean hd i have for emergency , see how the story finish then load a clean image again , by the time i would want togive it another try there would be another methods

[N0-Future]

Nearly everyone I know is going to use a crack to bypass Origin, so they can play a game ( ME3 in this case ) they purchased without being spied on.
Lets face it ive not encountered a piece of DRM software that cant be bypassed, the only thing EA are doing is pissing of the people who will buy the game.

[slimgrin]

N0-Future wrote...

Nearly everyone I know is going to use a crack to bypass Origin, so they can play a game ( ME3 in this case ) they purchased without being spied on.
Lets face it ive not encountered a piece of DRM software that cant be bypassed, the only thing EA are doing is pissing of the people who will buy the game.

- Preposterous!! Everyone else spies on you, why not let EA do the same?

- If you don't like the DRM, don't buy the game!

- This is a business, not a charity!


...just thought I'd get the retarded fanboy rebuttles out of the way for you.

Modifié par slimgrin, 17 octobre 2011 - 12:59 .

[N0-Future]

Nice.. . Thx lol 

Modifié par N0-Future, 17 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .

[DCopeland]

http://www.betabeat....-location-data/

This may be of interest to you, but good luck in minimizing Origins monitoring capabilities.
We're all counting on you.

[v_Zalem]

DCopeland wrote...

http://www.betabeat....-location-data/

This may be of interest to you, but good luck in minimizing Origins monitoring capabilities.
We're all counting on you.

Finally, a judge that's seemingly for the people. I am glad that there's still some shred of humanity in the justice system as small as it may be. I wouldn't worry too much even if Origin is required. It'l be cracked like all other forms of DRM. It never fails. The question is when will these companies learn? When will they stop doing blatant nonsense to ****** off fans/gamers in general?

[Bogsnot1]

Update on VM testing;

Initial tests using VirtualBox have failed to allow games to run.
While I was able to set up a quarantined Windows build, and install Origin, the way the VM handles video processing would not allow DA:O to recognise the GPU properly, and thus wouldnt launch.
It also had problems would not initially launch as it would not read the DVD drive correctly, even
though it installed OK from the disk. I bypassed this by using a no-disk executable available from gamecopyworld.com, but that left me with the video recognition problem.
If anyone is aware of a command line argument to get DA:O to loadup and bypass any cnofig errors, please let me know via PM. I will continue to look at the VM video processing to see if I can get it to properly recognise the card.

If i have no success with this, I will move on to test out VMPlayer.

BTW: am testing with DA:O due to being limited (at themoment) to using a HD2400 GPU after my 8600GTS blew up. Will try ME2 after payday and I can afford a new card.

Modifié par Bogsnot1, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:33 .

[Xeranx]

Can someone explain something to me regarding the EULA?

How is it possible to enforce a legal contract for a product if stores will not accept a return of the product unless defective (I live in the US), and the EULA isn't capable of being read until when you begin installing said software?

I'm also thinking that any free software can have an enforceable EULA as you can decline the EULA and there's no loss to you or the creator. I'm probably wrong, but I'd like to know what I can be held liable and likewise for the software supplier.

[Bogsnot1]

^ It all comes down to whatever consumer rights laws you have, and how strongly you fight for them in store. In Australia our Department of Consumer Affairs is quite effective at kicking arse, and taking names.
A store might have a policy of not accepting opened games for refund, but when it comes down to it, you have every right to obtain said refund, because law will trump store policy every time.
Now, the stores will try and dodge the issue, citing you must speak to the manager, head office, or whoever. They will try and convince you that they are in the right, and will try and hide behind policies, procedures, and bureaucracy, but in the end, you do have that right, and might have to contact your local consumer rights group to help you out.

I have had success in the past returning software for refund, without having to involve the authorities, but you have to be prepared to be belligerent, and quite possible, make a scene as well. Just dont swear, or make threats of physical violence. Loud sarcasm (so other shoppers can hear) works extremely well against store managers.

[Lukertin]

DCopeland wrote...

http://www.betabeat....-location-data/

This may be of interest to you, but good luck in minimizing Origins monitoring capabilities.
We're all counting on you.

This doesn't change anything, I hope you realize.

[Lukertin]

Xeranx wrote...

Can someone explain something to me regarding the EULA?

How is it possible to enforce a legal contract for a product if stores will not accept a return of the product unless defective (I live in the US), and the EULA isn't capable of being read until when you begin installing said software?

I'm also thinking that any free software can have an enforceable EULA as you can decline the EULA and there's no loss to you or the creator. I'm probably wrong, but I'd like to know what I can be held liable and likewise for the software supplier.

You go to them, state "I decline the EULA for this software. Issue me a refund." Refusing to do so is probably tortious interference with contract creation/formation/etc., a civil liability. So state that to them, see how willing they are to refuse to accept a return when doing so opens them to a lawsuit.

Modifié par Lukertin, 17 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[naughty99]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

^ It all comes down to whatever consumer rights laws you have, and how strongly you fight for them in store. In Australia our Department of Consumer Affairs is quite effective at kicking arse, and taking names.
A store might have a policy of not accepting opened games for refund, but when it comes down to it, you have every right to obtain said refund, because law will trump store policy every time.
Now, the stores will try and dodge the issue, citing you must speak to the manager, head office, or whoever. They will try and convince you that they are in the right, and will try and hide behind policies, procedures, and bureaucracy, but in the end, you do have that right, and might have to contact your local consumer rights group to help you out.

I have had success in the past returning software for refund, without having to involve the authorities, but you have to be prepared to be belligerent, and quite possible, make a scene as well. Just dont swear, or make threats of physical violence. Loud sarcasm (so other shoppers can hear) works extremely well against store managers.

Yes, store managers often make exceptions to return policies to placate annoying customers, but why not simply avoid all of this by refraining from purchasing the game? Or did you already pre-order ME3 before you were aware it would require Origin?

xkg wrote...

Lukertin wrote...
Steam states it will only scan your hardware, your usage of the games played, and your RAM for anti-cheating measures.

Seriously ? I can't cheat in my single player games if I buy them on Steam ?
wow. So Steam is even bigger POS than I thought...

The implementation of this is simply if you open the console or use console commands, then you don't earn achievements during that session. As for "cheating," using console commands or various mods to tailor your experience, Steam does not hinder this.  

Modifié par naughty99, 17 octobre 2011 - 07:22 .

[Bogsnot1]

naughty99 wrote...
Yes, store managers often make exceptions to return policies to placate annoying customers, but why not simply avoid all of this by refraining from purchasing the game? Or did you already pre-order ME3 before you were aware it would require Origin?

Once I found out that Origin was going to be part ofthe install procedure, I cancelled my preorder.

And I agree, whats more annoying than a customer who expects the goods that he paid his hard earned money for to perform as intended, and be fit for purpose? The gall of some people who just wont accept obscure store policies and demand that the law be observed.

[JGDD]

Xeranx wrote...

Can someone explain something to me regarding the EULA?

How is it possible to enforce a legal contract for a product if stores will not accept a return of the product unless defective (I live in the US), and the EULA isn't capable of being read until when you begin installing said software?

I'm also thinking that any free software can have an enforceable EULA as you can decline the EULA and there's no loss to you or the creator. I'm probably wrong, but I'd like to know what I can be held liable and likewise for the software supplier.

You can return the game but the process is rather tedious. It states in ME3's EULA this is possible. More details here.

They're not going to make it easy to get your money back so be prepared for a long wait if you decide to pursue this option.

EDIT:

Bogsnot - Here's something I ran across today that might be of interest to you. Sandboxie & Origin

Modifié par justgimmedudedammit, 18 octobre 2011 - 05:23 .

[natie]

slimgrin wrote...
- This is a business, not a charity!

Exactly! If they want my info, they will have to pay for it, one way or another.

For example: I let Google collect my information, I know it does. In return they provide me with free services like Google Apps For Your Domain, Picasa and the like. That's fair in my book. Not to mention that they don't scan my harddrive because I don't even have to install anything to use their services.

In EA's case, I still pay for the games, they collect my info and I get nothing for it. The games do not become cheaper, the "services" Origin provides are all useless to me (I can patch my games myself, thank you very much).

Sorry, but Origin client is a no-go.

[Bogsnot1]

justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Bogsnot - Here's something I ran across today that might be of interest to you. Sandboxie & Origin

Thanks, I'll check it out.
I still prefer the VM route if I can get it working, as thats a whole level above what sandboxie can do, but I realise not everyone has the tech skills, hardware specs (they can be quite demanding) or time to set up a VM.

I have also done a copy/paste of the linked guide, so if it gets taken down for any reason, I'll still have a copy available. 

[Marvin_Arnold]

A lawyer tearing apart an EULA is a sight to behold...

In Germany the law specifies that EULAs are not allowed to contain paragraphs that can't be expected (Because the law assumes nobody reads EULAs). If you want to introduce an unusual paragraph (like allowing Origin to scan your HD and collect/send unspecified data), you have to point this out separately.

Therefore, the EULA is illegal, the agreement procedure and the game itself are thus "legally defective", and you have got the right to return the software for a refund on this basis.

This just in: Today EA has deleted "controversial passages" from their BF3 EULA, at least for Germany. Funnily enough, they didn't change the software, so apparently Origin will do the same no matter what the EULA says...

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 01 novembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Bogsnot1]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...
...
This just in: Today EA has deleted "controversial passages" from their BF3 EULA, at least for Germany. Funnily enough, they didn't change the software, so apparently Origin will do the same no matter what the EULA says...

Might be worthwhile letting the powers that be know of this, and get them to check out the system scanning for themselves.
Without that passage in the EULA, then it has crossed the line from snooping application, to legitimate spyware.