108 réponses à ce sujet

[Morroian]

craigdolphin wrote...

Sadly, this is Bioware's modus operandi with publishing decisions that they know their customers are unhappy with (e.g., DRM, Origin). 

I think here you can separate Bioware from EA proper, this is an EA thing not a Bioware thing.

craigdolphin wrote...

Just once I wish Bioware/EA would decide that they would try a strategy of 'surprise and delight their customers' with their publishing decisions instead of doing whatever they can to undermine the rights of their paying customers.

You know Bioware did moderate the DRM on DA2 from what was originally proposed after customer feedback.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Yep, Bioware does listen to its fans, which is a good thing, although I've seen other developers do better, I can't discredit Bioware in this field, especially considering the progress they have achieved.

[N0-Future]

Day 2 since Origin thread lock - no news...

[UrkOfGreyhawk]

N0-Future wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

"every single program you use collects info about you" This is not true.

Also, why are you against people voicing their opinion on something? It's like your attitude is "don't like it? don't buy it..and don't say a word or voice your opinion against it"

Bioware obviously takes feedback for their games and we are giving them our feedback. This Origin crapware is something we do not want. This is NOT about Steam or Facebook or privacy on the internet. This is about Mass Effect 3, Origin, and future Bioware games.

I want to buy Bioware games. I want to play Bioware games. I DO NOT want to install software that datamines my PC and violates my privacy, in order to play your games. I also do NOT want to have to be online to play a single player game. Requiring Origin would require an internet connection, what happens when you lose internet? what happens if you have to cancel your internet? what happens to those of us that live in areas with no high speed internet? It's becoming a pain in the ass to even be able to play a video game..that we paid 60 or 80 dollars + for. And now it seems its going to become an invasion of privacy and security. Software can be exploited and databases hacked you know. But hey, I guess having a brain and thinking for ourselves is a no no these days

The current version of Origin does not datamine your PC.

I think I said it earlier but I ran a process Monitor prgoram (Same one from the youtube video everyone loves to use to justify there arguement) and Origin only checked Origin related directories and some DLL files in Windows that was it.  Pretty much the exact same thing as Steam does (I ran both on the process monitor) so if you have a problem with Origin you should also be banging on Valves door cause Origin and Steam do the exact same thing process wise.

Maybe Origin does data mine maybe it doesn't at this point in time I dont trust it. The fact is there is lots of proof that it does/did? They can make all the changes in the world to Origin and I wouldn't trust it or let it within a 100 miles of my system. IMO its too little too late.

When you catch a company ( in this case EA ) lying to you anything they say after that is suspect.

So what if the current version doesn't datamine? You must think we're a bunch of morons if you expect us to believe that means anything. You do know Origins auto-updates, right?

I'm sorry, but I pay my taxes on my computer. I pay my bills. I store pictures of my children. And EA wants unfettered access to my HD? 

I am NOT a complete idiot.

As far as I'm concerened if you're dumb enough to agree to this you deserve to have your identity stolen by some hacker or have some pervert in EA's data collection center oggling pictures of your wife and kids.

No. If EA wants that kind of access they're going to have to break the law like everyone else.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Oh look, someone necro'd my post! heh

Someone else started a topic on the German forums as well social.bioware.com/forum/4/topic/280/index/8832236

[wolfsite]

UrkOfGreyhawk wrote...

N0-Future wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Jsxdf wrote...

"every single program you use collects info about you" This is not true.

Also, why are you against people voicing their opinion on something? It's like your attitude is "don't like it? don't buy it..and don't say a word or voice your opinion against it"

Bioware obviously takes feedback for their games and we are giving them our feedback. This Origin crapware is something we do not want. This is NOT about Steam or Facebook or privacy on the internet. This is about Mass Effect 3, Origin, and future Bioware games.

I want to buy Bioware games. I want to play Bioware games. I DO NOT want to install software that datamines my PC and violates my privacy, in order to play your games. I also do NOT want to have to be online to play a single player game. Requiring Origin would require an internet connection, what happens when you lose internet? what happens if you have to cancel your internet? what happens to those of us that live in areas with no high speed internet? It's becoming a pain in the ass to even be able to play a video game..that we paid 60 or 80 dollars + for. And now it seems its going to become an invasion of privacy and security. Software can be exploited and databases hacked you know. But hey, I guess having a brain and thinking for ourselves is a no no these days

The current version of Origin does not datamine your PC.

I think I said it earlier but I ran a process Monitor prgoram (Same one from the youtube video everyone loves to use to justify there arguement) and Origin only checked Origin related directories and some DLL files in Windows that was it.  Pretty much the exact same thing as Steam does (I ran both on the process monitor) so if you have a problem with Origin you should also be banging on Valves door cause Origin and Steam do the exact same thing process wise.

Maybe Origin does data mine maybe it doesn't at this point in time I dont trust it. The fact is there is lots of proof that it does/did? They can make all the changes in the world to Origin and I wouldn't trust it or let it within a 100 miles of my system. IMO its too little too late.

When you catch a company ( in this case EA ) lying to you anything they say after that is suspect.

So what if the current version doesn't datamine? You must think we're a bunch of morons if you expect us to believe that means anything. You do know Origins auto-updates, right?

I'm sorry, but I pay my taxes on my computer. I pay my bills. I store pictures of my children. And EA wants unfettered access to my HD? 

I am NOT a complete idiot.

As far as I'm concerened if you're dumb enough to agree to this you deserve to have your identity stolen by some hacker or have some pervert in EA's data collection center oggling pictures of your wife and kids.

No. If EA wants that kind of access they're going to have to break the law like everyone else.

Okay that was over the line.  If you don't want to use the program fine but accusing me of thinking less of others....

I merely did some research on the subject and was trying to be sure that my findings were not being ignored since the results do show that there is no data mining.  Also If EA did get acess to your personal information (Bank, taxes, etc) I do believe there are federal laws against that not even an EULA could protect a company against they could easily be shut down if they attempted to access that information.

[craigdolphin]

Morroian wrote...

craigdolphin wrote...

Sadly, this is Bioware's modus operandi with publishing decisions that they know their customers are unhappy with (e.g., DRM, Origin). 

I think here you can separate Bioware from EA proper, this is an EA thing not a Bioware thing.

Given that Bioware released Jade Empire SE with SecuROM 7, I think the DRM fixation by Bioware predates the aquisition by EA. That said, John Riccitiello was an exec for pandemic before he worked at EA, and I think Pandemic owned/part-owned Bioware at the time, so maybe JR is the common link for Bioware's long and unfortunate affair with DRM.

craigdolphin wrote...

Just once I wish Bioware/EA would decide that they would try a strategy of 'surprise and delight their customers' with their publishing decisions instead of doing whatever they can to undermine the rights of their paying customers.

You know Bioware did moderate the DRM on DA2 from what was originally proposed after customer feedback.

You know that the DRM scheme for ME1/Spore/etc generated huge forum backlash (multiple 100+ page threads) on the old forums and eventually led to Bioware releasing DA with a much more reasonable disc-check-only DRM. After apparently learning that many of their legitimate customers did not like mandatory online DRM, they then returned to mandatory online activations for ME2 and DA2. They even used a SecuROM product (release control) after explictly assuring that they were not using SecuROM. Now they're seemingly headed for a mandatory steam-like client which uses online activations. So, the overall direction they're currently heading in seems to be one that their customer have made very clear that they do not want. And I'm just utterly bone-tired of dealing with this kind of nonsense.

Personally, I would have no problem with Origin (assuming it has a proper offline mode) if they ammended the T&C to make it impossible for them to invade your privacy. I much prefer a first party client like origin to something like SecuROM: I do trust EA more than I do Sony DADC (yes, I know that's faint praise). Whether Origin currently is scanning non-EA-related files or not, it could easily start doing so in the future if these T&C remain as written. And that's simply unacceptable to me. As is EA's policy of arbitrarily extending forum bans to removing customer's ability to play single-player games that they have paid for. Which is one of the most copmpelling reasons I see for why online activations are 100% against the customer's interests.

[SalsaDMA]

wolfsite wrote...

Okay that was over the line.  If you don't want to use the program fine but accusing me of thinking less of others....

I merely did some research on the subject and was trying to be sure that my findings were not being ignored since the results do show that there is no data mining.  Also If EA did get acess to your personal information (Bank, taxes, etc) I do believe there are federal laws against that not even an EULA could protect a company against they could easily be shut down if they attempted to access that information.

That backlash primarily happened in Germany, because the rest of the world was lulled into being good little consumersheep that couldn't fathom that a company purely for profit might try and exploit its consumers above and beyond what would be reasonable.

The germans are probably the real reason why EA started changing Origin and tried dancing out of fires way before the commision concludes they need a fine based on their annual earnings...

The EULA still stinks, though, and EA have shown and still shows that they aren't above autoupdating Origin with your only choice in that regard then being to accept or stop using the program (Install/exit, anyone?). So basicly, if you trust them, you are placing your future game library as a possible hostage they can use against you to make you accept future changes to the program. Although I doubt it will even come to that. They'll just update the program at regular intervals so people at some point stop paying attention to what the updates are, and then it'll get snuck back in again. They WANT to be able to sell your info, as witnessed by their first EULA, don't believe that desire was just a passing whim, especially considered how big money there is in that business.

I trust Bioware to make good/decent games. I don't trust EA to do anything but try to rake in as much profit at any cost and by any means after them displaying their continued shenanigans.

[Chris Priestly]

When we have information on this, you will be able to read about it in the Mass Effect 3 forum.


LOCKDOWN!